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[Froggy]

5 hours ago, Mike said:

Fucking hate football.

 

Why? It was a great night for Newcastle.

[bobbydazzla]

28 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Why? It was a great night for Newcastle.

This is a classic example of how some elements of our fan base are addicted to doom (far more than just Mike)

 

Forest in shit form, blowing a chance to go above us by losing at home, yet some of the comments in here last night were pure negative energy

 

It’ll be annoying, frustrating and downright unjust for either Man Utd or Spurs to get CL given the utter shite served up by both sides in the league, but it’s of far less consequence to NUFC than Forest losing again and them being on a shite run 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[KingArthur]

8 hours ago, buzza said:

How bad were Bilbao tonight...

Manu played much better than their recent results.

All english final with the two "worst" Big six mánagers... JHC!!

Tbh Bilbao could have scored a couple early on. They didn't and goals change game. ManU are experienced side in these kind of games. Bilbao were too open.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Tbh Bilbao could have scored a couple early on. They didn't and goals change game. ManU are experienced side in these kind of games. Bilbao were too open.

 

Far too open, which was surprisingly for one of the best defensive sides in Europe. That header was a great chance and should have been buried mind. 

 

No idea what they were thinking with those fouls either. If Vivian wanted to take Hojlund out to prevent a goal, doing it by dragging him down was so silly. If it's a foul it's an automatic red. 

 

They did the exact same thing on Garnacho later in the game. It was another penalty and clear red, but they were lenient on them this time. 

[Erikse]

8 hours ago, Kaizero said:

 

Three of their best players out with suspension, will be full strength next week at home. Didn't think they'd advance if they went home 3 goals behind, fully believe they'll advance now that they managed to keep it to 2. Ran over every team at home so far in the knock-outs.

 

Actually really impressive to hold them to just a 2 goal deficit away with 3 players out. I thought it was over in the first half. Now they have a huge opportunity here, as I expect them to win at home.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Erikse

[KingArthur]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Far too open, which was surprisingly for one of the best defensive sides in Europe. That header was a great chance and should have been buried mind. 

 

No idea what they were thinking with those fouls either. If Vivian wanted to take Hojlund out to prevent a goal, doing it by dragging him down was so silly. If it's a foul it's an automatic red. 

 

They did the exact same thing on Garnacho later in the game. It was another penalty and clear red, but they were lenient on them this time. 

Yea, should have kept it tight and keep themselves in the tie. Now it is done and dusted. ManU are and were nothing special, but that was so easy. Just put it behind the line for Garnacho. They have been unimpressive for the UEL season, but that seems to be enough this season. Maybe why Bodo are up there in last four and Djurgården in UECL semis.

ManU need UCL way more than Spurs do. 

[Groundhog63]

9 hours ago, Kaizero said:

 

Three of their best players out with suspension, will be full strength next week at home. Didn't think they'd advance if they went home 3 goals behind, fully believe they'll advance now that they managed to keep it to 2. Ran over every team at home so far in the knock-outs.

 

11 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Actually really impressive to hold them to just a 2 goal deficit away with 3 players out. I thought it was over in the first half. Now they have a huge opportunity here, as I expect them to win at home.

 

 

 

 

Would be absolutely orgasmic if they reverse the aggregate then spank Man U in the final, I tell thee

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Yea, should have kept it tight and keep themselves in the tie. Now it is done and dusted. ManU are and were nothing special, but that was so easy. Just put it behind the line for Garnacho. They have been unimpressive for the UEL season, but that seems to be enough this season. Maybe why Bodo are up there in last four and Djurgården in UECL semis.

ManU need UCL way more than Spurs do. 

 

We're unbeaten in Europe and performing miles better than people realise, even in the league. I can't think of a game we've deserved to lose for a while, with the exception of the game at SJP, where we were easily beaten. Probably have to go back to the Everton game, where we were lucky to get a draw.

 

I see a lot of people having a go at the quality of the Europa League as well, trying to now act like teams like Bilbao aren't good sides.  They have the best defence in Spain. Lazio and Roma are above Milan in the league, yet last season nobody on here was questioning the quality of Milan.

[Froggy]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

Would be absolutely orgasmic if they reverse the aggregate then spank Man U in the final, I tell thee

 

Orgasmic for me if we get past Bilbao and play Bodo/Glimt instead of Spurs. 

[Erikse]

24 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We're unbeaten in Europe and performing miles better than people realise, even in the league. I can't think of a game we've deserved to lose for a while, with the exception of the game at SJP, where we were easily beaten. Probably have to go back to the Everton game, where we were lucky to get a draw.

 

I see a lot of people having a go at the quality of the Europa League as well, trying to now act like teams like Bilbao aren't good sides.  They have the best defence in Spain. Lazio and Roma are above Milan in the league, yet last season nobody on here was questioning the quality of Milan.

 

With 4 games to go you have already avoided relegation. During our Mike Ashley years we often had to bite our nails until the final gameweek. Who are we to judge!

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Erikse

[Groundhog63]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Orgasmic for me if we get past Bilbao and play Bodo/Glimt instead of Spurs. 

 

Froggy pretending to be "humble" 

[Erikse]

Bodø Glimt player said that the press from Tottenham was shait, and talked about how their press wasn't even better than a mid table norwegian team. "That's who we are, mate!"

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Erikse

[KingArthur]

14 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We're unbeaten in Europe and performing miles better than people realise, even in the league. I can't think of a game we've deserved to lose for a while, with the exception of the game at SJP, where we were easily beaten. Probably have to go back to the Everton game, where we were lucky to get a draw.

 

I see a lot of people having a go at the quality of the Europa League as well, trying to now act like teams like Bilbao aren't good sides.  They have the best defence in Spain. Lazio and Roma are above Milan in the league, yet last season nobody on here was questioning the quality of Milan.

Yea, well, you played half a game 11v10 v Bournemouth, half a game 11v10 against Bilbao. I wouldn't say neither was very good display 11 v 11. You were quite bad against Lyon, who scored twice 10v11 at OT. And you were totally torn apart at SJP.

So league position is all that matters? Naah, Milan has and had a quality squad. If you ask Bilbao fans, I would think they rather face Brentford than ManU, even though first one is doing miles better in the league.

 

You are defending better in the league than before, partly because there are 7 quite defensive players in the lineup. Amorim is making your team harder to beat, but your attacking is, and will be, woeful until big players arrive. You are totally relient on Bruno for creativity. 

 

There is no reason to have a go at me for stating the obvious. Your season has been awful, winning UEL brings some kind of success, but if you don't win it, will Amorim still be there next season? Ange probably is out anyway, and your league record is pretty much the same as Spurs'.

edit. So after that Everton game, you have won:

Ipswich, Real Sociedad (who got a red card 63'), Leicester, Lyon (AET, red card), Bilbao (red card 1st half) 
And drawn against Bournemouth, City, Arsenal, Lyon, Sociedad, Fulham  (lost on penalties)
Lost to: Newcastle, Wolves, Forest.

I am sorry, but that is totally mid table team stuff. 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by KingArthur

[Froggy]

20 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

edit. So after that Everton game, you have won:

Ipswich, Real Sociedad (who got a red card 63'), Leicester, Lyon (AET, red card), Bilbao (red card 1st half) 
And drawn against Bournemouth, City, Arsenal, Lyon, Sociedad, Fulham  (lost on penalties)
Lost to: Newcastle, Wolves, Forest.

 

You're missing the point. I said we haven't deserved to lose since the Everton game with the exception of the game against Newcastle. I'm aware the results haven't been good.

 

I'm not having a go at you either. Not sure where you've picked that up from. Just saying I am well aware the season has been poor, but there's no need to downplay competitions and very good opponents just because we've beaten them.

[bobbydazzla]

You were fucking wank against Lyon and absolutely deserved to lose 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

You were fucking wank against Lyon and absolutely deserved to lose 

 

The only reason Lyon were even in the game was because of two Onana errors.

 

They were deservedly beaten.

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

The only reason Lyon were even in the game was because of two Onana errors.

 

They were deservedly beaten.

 

Only reason my aunty isn’t my uncle is because she hasn’t got any plums

 

You were shite, don’t die on the Lyon hill Frogster 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[KingArthur]

18 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

You're missing the point. I said we haven't deserved to lose since the Everton game with the exception of the game against Newcastle. I'm aware the results haven't been good.

 

I'm not having a go at you either. Not sure where you've picked that up from. Just saying I am well aware the season has been poor, but there's no need to downplay competitions and very good opponents just because we've beaten them.

It just shows the level of expectations at ManU nowadays. Scraping past ten man Lyon AT HOME, is seen as success. Your team is one the richest and biggest clubs in the world, who should get best players and coaches in. Seems like your club has been in a constant turmoil since SAF left, and everytime there is a coach who gets few wins on the bounce, there is this "next season will be ours" -stuff. 

The big problem is that your squad does not have the players Amorim need, and seems like you don't have the staff or money to fix it in a year or two. But the fans will always expect to be challenging at least for UCL places.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, KingArthur said:

It just shows the level of expectations at ManU nowadays. Scraping past ten man Lyon AT HOME, is seen as success. Your team is one the richest and biggest clubs in the world, who should get best players and coaches in. Seems like your club has been in a constant turmoil since SAF left, and everytime there is a coach who gets few wins on the bounce, there is this "next season will be ours" -stuff. 

The big problem is that your squad does not have the players Amorim need, and seems like you don't have the staff or money to fix it in a year or two. But the fans will always expect to be challenging at least for UCL places.

 

Your first sentence suggests the level of expectation at us is low as we're happy with beating Lyon, then your last sentence suggests the fans always expect to be challenging for UCL places. So which is it? 

 

The unrealistic expectations come from opposition fans, not us.

[KingArthur]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Your first sentence suggests the level of expectation at us is low as we're happy with beating Lyon, then your last sentence suggests the fans always expect to be challenging for UCL places. So which is it? 

 

The unrealistic expectations come from opposition fans, not us.

The fans, like you, are saying that you have played well and deserved the win etc. But the fact is: it was 10 man Lyon, you were at home. Yea, getting through the tie is the thing, but you cannot seriously say you played well? If you think you played well, do you think your team is good, the money has been well spent and Amorim is doing good job?  Neither of these are true I would say.

 

And if Amorim is doing good work, what would be the expectations for next season? What do you expect?

But you do understand when you spend the most/almost the most money to your team, expectations HAS to be high? It doesnt work like that you spend billions of pounds but the fans are ok to be 7th. Those expectations come from everywhere around football. Just like Chelsea, their fans cannot be content with winning UECL and ending up 7th in the league when they have spent a billion dollars on their team. 

 

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

The fans, like you, are saying that you have played well and deserved the win etc. But the fact is: it was 10 man Lyon, you were at home. Yea, getting through the tie is the thing, but you cannot seriously say you played well? If you think you played well, do you think your team is good, the money has been well spent and Amorim is doing good job?  Neither of these are true I would say.

 

I never said we played well though did I? I said we deserved to win. 10 man Lyon, 5 man Lyon, it doesn't matter. We won, and deserved to win. Lyon didn't do enough to beat us.

 

I think the team has a lot of good players, but some poor ones. Money has been spent horrifically over the last few years, but I don't agree at all that it was spent poorly in the summer, which is an opinion a lot of people seem to have. De Ligt, Ugarte, Mazraoui and Zirkzee will play a big part in improving this team. The windows before that though? Absolute disaster.

 

13 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

And if Amorim is doing good work, what would be the expectations for next season? What do you expect?

 

I'm reserving judgement on Amorim. He came in November, and did not want to come mid-season but was given an ultimatum. He was open and honest right away, and has continued to be, and said that we would face an extremely difficult season. "The storm will come. We will be found out." That has ended up being the case, but he has said over time we will improve and get back to where we want to be. We'll give him the time that he deserves. There won't be expectation on him to start being a CL contender next season, but a huge improvement is the absolute minimum. Let's give him a chance instead of writing him off within 6 months. We all know this club was/is a shit show, so it's going to take time.

 

15 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

But you do understand when you spend the most/almost the most money to your team, expectations HAS to be high? It doesnt work like that you spend billions of pounds but the fans are ok to be 7th. Those expectations come from everywhere around football. Just like Chelsea, their fans cannot be content with winning UECL and ending up 7th in the league when they have spent a billion dollars on their team. 

 

I understand this, but I don't see why the anger has to be directed towards a manager. Amorim didn't hand £1.2m a week to Casemiro, Sancho, Rashford and Mount. Amorim didn't sign Antony for £80m. 

 

I personally love Amorim's approach. Refreshingly honest, but extremely high standards for players. I believe at the very least, he can give us a side that dies for the badge. For the fans, removing the toxicity from the club is 100x more important than a trophy.

[KingArthur]

Anger is directed towards manager, because he cannot buy a whole new team. He has to find a way to get most out of your current players. That is what good managers do. Maybe next season he will improve them, I dont know. The core of the team will still be the same next season. 

And with money most likely being spent again loads next season (Cunha rumoured already), of course expectations has to be high. If you don't make it to UCL, your team loses money. UCL is what is expected from ManU. Hell, Nottingham, Newcastle and maybe Villa are going there!

[Geogaddi]

Not sure why people are getting so wound up Man United won. You could tell they had the name on that trophy after the Lyon game and it has been proven countless times over the last few years that they are still capable of winning trophies despite how shit they have been due to the huge resources and wealth they have over pretty much everyone else barring Man City and Chelsea . The only annoying part about it is that it gets them back into the champions league .

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Geogaddi

[Nucasol]

As irritating as it is, that comeback against Lyon was almost like their name was on the cup.

[duo]

Is the level of competition in the europa league that poor that the final will be made up of Spurs v Man U