TheBrownBottle Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 34 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said: I disagree with the youth comment. Villa are years ahead of us when it comes to this. They have been making impressive money from their academy players not the level of Chelsea and City though. They have sold more players because they have brought more players. Our starting 11 is better than theirs but they have more depth due to the sales. Their revenue will most likely be more than ours this season due to UCL football. Nowt to disagree about - funding youth academies etc are FFP exempt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Arsenal fans already peddling conspiracy theories. They're mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Arsenal fans already peddling conspiracy theories. They're mental. tonight could be so so special I'm getting a bit giddy at the thought of them fucking it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Big River said: tonight could be so so special I'm getting a bit giddy at the thought of them fucking it up Arsenal Losing.... Real Madrid Winning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Arteta crying would trump any negative of real winning for me. Can't see them throwing a 3:0 though. Madrid look poor this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I actually felt sorry for Villa, great entertainment, never thought I'd say that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Any injury issues for Arsenal? Specifically short term out of the blue injures which will be overcome by the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Our Owners also own our two main shirt sponsors and the value of those will be as high as regulations allow. Can Villa's owners do that? Could Villa's owners build a £2Bn stadium? I suspect without a loan. I don't think any other Owner would be building that. The our Owners will slap a sponsor on that new stadium at maximum value allowed. Could Villa's owners do that? The maximum potential of us is similar to Man City. It could genuinely help to regenerate the entire City - campuses etc. Could Aston Villa's owners do that? Transfer market is major but it's not the only thing. Think what this could look like in 15 years. Our ceiling is considerably higher. It's like Abramovic vs Abu Dhabi. That's the model Villa will pursue. Youth academy manufacturer line, player development and sale, get the best of what the market can offer in terms of sponsorships. We (should) pursue the City model - youth sales + juicing the sponsorships as much as possible, build a network of related-clubs to trade with. See, I was and still am of the opinion that the potential of this football club we support is as high as that of any other club regardless of who owns it. We went from a penny-pinching leech to the “richest owners in world football”, but in either scenario our potential was for us to challenge at the top of the (domestic) game for titles, European football qualification and cups. I think the first three years of this ownership bear that out, because we’ve not even really had to tap into the unthinkable wealth of our owners to achieve 2/3 simply by being very well managed and united. That is not beyond the likes of Villa, and indeed they are also demonstrating this. As I’ve argued before I will happily accept a form of FFP that prevents owners such as ours to simply outspend the competition tenfold and thereby compete by default, such as PSG are doing in France. That would feel hollow to me. I much prefer beating the “big six” by being smarter than by simply being richer and I also respect our owners even more for taling on this challenge without flashing cheque books left, right and center. They are building us up to be a sustainable top club rather than a flash in the pan. Your view may differ and that is ok, but for me the owners are extracting potential that was always here rather than taking the club places no “normal” owner could have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 33 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: See, I was and still am of the opinion that the potential of this football club we support is as high as that of any other club regardless of who owns it. We went from a penny-pinching leech to the “richest owners in world football”, but in either scenario our potential was for us to challenge at the top of the (domestic) game for titles, European football qualification and cups. I think the first three years of this ownership bear that out, because we’ve not even really had to tap into the unthinkable wealth of our owners to achieve 2/3 simply by being very well managed and united. That is not beyond the likes of Villa, and indeed they are also demonstrating this. As I’ve argued before I will happily accept a form of FFP that prevents owners such as ours to simply outspend the competition tenfold and thereby compete by default, such as PSG are doing in France. That would feel hollow to me. I much prefer beating the “big six” by being smarter than by simply being richer and I also respect our owners even more for taling on this challenge without flashing cheque books left, right and center. They are building us up to be a sustainable top club rather than a flash in the pan. Your view may differ and that is ok, but for me the owners are extracting potential that was always here rather than taking the club places no “normal” owner could have. I disagree fundamentally. Without an owner willing to invest substantial sums or with some other type of genius we have a ceiling. You do realise we are still a doped club right? Just because we can’t go crazy in the market doesn’t mean we are not benefitting from being owned by a State. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 59 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I disagree fundamentally. Without an owner willing to invest substantial sums or with some other type of genius we have a ceiling. You do realise we are still a doped club right? Just because we can’t go crazy in the market doesn’t mean we are not benefitting from being owned by a State. In my view we could conceivably have been where we are today without the new owners’ spending post takeover if Ashley had allowed the club to grow commercially in line with our competitors at the time he took over. We were in the CL more often then not the years before he took over and our revenue was only slightly lower than some of the “big six” at the time. We are only a doped club now insofar as the new owners have us sponsored at a level that would be seen as normal for a club of our statute and potential, as opposed to the free advertising that Mike Ashley arranged for SD. The reason we were a yoyo club performing at well below our potential is because for 14 years we had an incompetent, petulant piece of shit consistently running us into the ground. Our potential was always there though. Keegan saw it, some fans did and luckily for us, Amanda Stavely did too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Unbelievable said: In my view we could conceivably have been where we are today without the new owners’ spending post takeover if Ashley had allowed the club to grow commercially in line with our competitors at the time he took over. We were in the CL more often then not the years before he took over and our revenue was only slightly lower than some of the “big six” at the time. We are only a doped club now insofar as the new owners have us sponsored at a level that would be seen as normal for a club of our statute and potential, as opposed to the free advertising that Mike Ashley arranged for SD. The reason we were a yoyo club performing at well below our potential is because for 14 years we had an incompetent, petulant piece of shit consistently running us into the ground. Our potential was always there though. Keegan saw it, some fans did and luckily for us, Amanda Stavely did too. I’ve never wanted us to be like PSG or Man City and blow everyone out of the water as that would always feel tainted to me. I’m happy with how we’ve achieved our success so far and nobody can ever take away that cup win from us - they’ll never be able to say we bought that success. Obviously we wouldn’t have players like Isak, Bruno or Tonali without the ambition associated with our ownership, but everything we’ve done so far has been down to great coaching, togetherness and determination and quality transfer business Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 26 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’ve never wanted us to be like PSG or Man City and blow everyone out of the water as that would always feel tainted to me. I’m happy with how we’ve achieved our success so far and nobody can ever take away that cup win from us - they’ll never be able to say we bought that success. Obviously we wouldn’t have players like Isak, Bruno or Tonali without the ambition associated with our ownership, but everything we’ve done so far has been down to great coaching, togetherness and determination and quality transfer business We might think that. But as far as the majority of other clubs fans seem to think, we've been financially juiced to the eyeballs like City, Chelsea and PSG and our achievements are deeply tainted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Yeah was gonna say, they can and will say that it was financially boosted success. But it is what it is, don't let that taint anything, as true fans have endured, and even if the subtle financial nuances means we know all of what we have had under Howe was probably achievable if Ashley had run us properly aswell, other fans won't know that. They will just see the money we spent so far when we got Trippier, Bruno, Botman, Isak, Tonali etc. I remember when we beat Brentford a while ago and their manager just kept saying it was nice that we had a £63m striker to make the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 18 minutes ago, alexf said: Yeah was gonna say, they can and will say that it was financially boosted success. But it is what it is, don't let that taint anything, as true fans have endured, and even if the subtle financial nuances means we know all of what we have had under Howe was probably achievable if Ashley had run us properly aswell, other fans won't know that. They will just see the money we spent so far when we got Trippier, Bruno, Botman, Isak, Tonali etc. I remember when we beat Brentford a while ago and their manager just kept saying it was nice that we had a £63m striker to make the difference. If only Brentford had a striker they valued at £70m+ to counteract it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Is the Arsenal game on prime or tnt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, andycap said: Is the Arsenal game on prime or tnt? Tnt1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Love Saka but was is he playing at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 The fix is in in Madrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 That’s never a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Fak said: That’s never a penalty. Rio asking if it’ll go to VAR the fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Fak said: Rio asking if it’ll go to VAR the fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Jesus, this is long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 This is shameful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Anyway back to the Palace thread so we can celebrate playing with these farcical officials next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Bayern 2 Inter 3 on aggs Inter score. Edited April 16 by Astroblack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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