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The Quarter Finals: Croatia, Argentina, Morocco, and France through


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1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Kane has to take that second penalty for me.  But he was obviously caught in two minds - he was going the same way as the first but knew Lloris would anticipate it so added more power, which was a fatal mistake.  Hindsight is 50/50 unless you’re talking about something patently obvious, as this was.

 

I think England performed exactly in this tournament as they did the previous two - beat the poor and mediocre, lost vs the first decent side they played.  They went out to a very good side, and didn’t embarrass themselves - but that’s no different to pretty much every England tournament in my lifetime.  2010 and 2016 are the only two I can think of where you could potentially say they were ‘embarrassed’ - and even then, that was a lot more to do with condescension towards a very good Iceland team who’d been getting good results vs good sides over the previous two years. 

 

Not that he needs any advice from me but as I posted at the time, that penalty had to go down the middle. Pass it in, chest height. Lloris was always going to go for the big dive one way or the other given how the first one went.

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Forgive me for thinking you are as it certainly appears that way given how this whole thing started.

 

Pointless carrying this on. I’ve only said about 10 times that it’s a genuine question. Clearly nobody has the answer so I’ll leave it.

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Just now, Wullie said:

 

Not that he needs any advice from me but as I posted at the time, that penalty had to go down the middle. Pass it in, chest height. Lloris was always going to go for the big dive one way or the other given how the first one went.

Yeah, agreed.  It always struck me that Lloris would go the same way that the first went.  I feel more sorry for the bloke than anything else, but unlike the first I was convinced he’d miss / have it saved. 

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Sadly, in age at least, I am. You have continually altered the conversation this whole time, which hits a couple of logical fallacies on the way.


i just posted my original question. “Any strikers coming through?. That’s been my question through this entirely pointless conversation with you. But still, Eddie out eh ?

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4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:


this is how the conversation started ffs :lol:

In response to our posts about how England will be. Your posts about Southgate and the team before that obviously would  be taken into context with your response here. If it was a completely separate issue (which I am slightly skeptical), then fair enough. Otherwise I suspect a little gaslighting is going on.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

Reece James, TAA (I know he is out of form, but he is till a class RB), Chilwell is an excellent collection of young fullbacks to build a team around. Talent is not going to be an issue with England for the foreseeable future. 

 

I hope the one thing Southgate learned from today and this campaign is that if England plays on the front foot, very few teams can live with them. French defense were rattled today. A more neutral ref and one of them could have been sent off. 

 

I have not been a huge fan of Southgate-ball but cant fault him for this campaign. If he continues this slightly bolder approach, might be worth sticking with him. Unless someone like Mancini is available.

 

More than anything England need a mentality shift. English football could use a Eoin Morgan or Ben Stokes, either on the pitch or in the dugout. No squad is perfect. A lot of times, the narrative is shifted around how great the team is after they win something. England has the talent to win the world cup playing their unique way of football.  As a starting point, the belief has to be there. 

 

 

 

I agree, but our talent is pool is confined to certain positions. We're stacked at full back, out wide and in attacking midfield, but look light at centre back, in the middle and up top.

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3 minutes ago, Shearergol said:


i just posted my original question. “Any strikers coming through?. That’s been my question through this entirely pointless conversation with you. But still, Eddie out eh ?

Or I am just a fucking moron and got you confused with someone else. I am started to think the latter is true :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

In response to our posts about how England will be. Your posts about Southgate and the team before that obviously would  be taken into context with your response here. If it was a completely separate issue (which I am slightly skeptical), then fair enough. Otherwise I suspect a little gaslighting is going on.

 

 

 

We’ve bored the shit out of everyone for long enough to carry this on. 
 

1. I’m critical of the media, not Southgate 

2. Kane is fine for the Euro’s

3. I’m concerned no strikers are coming through.

 

that’s me done

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2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

We’ve bored the shit out of everyone for long enough to carry this on. 
 

1. I’m critical of the media, not Southgate 

2. Kane is fine for the Euro’s

3. I’m concerned no strikers are coming through.

 

that’s me done

I am definitely a fucking moron looking back. Many pardons.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Away Toon said:

Hope that Southgate stays as the FA will definitely be sniffing around Eddie and if they want an English manager he's probably the favourite.

 

Even if Howe would want it, which he wouldn't, there's more chance of England trying to buy Bruno Guimaraes than paying for a Premier League manager's release. 

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Just now, Wullie said:

 

Even if Howe would want it, which he wouldn't, there's more chance of England trying to buy Bruno Guimaraes than paying for a Premier League manager's release. 

 

 

I take it the days of a manager doing double duty are a thing of the past?

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7 minutes ago, Away Toon said:

Hope that Southgate stays as the FA will definitely be sniffing around Eddie and if they want an English manager he's probably the favourite.

 

He won't touch it for at least a decade. International management is too restrictive, Eddie wants to be involved from 6am to 8pm. Can you imagine him twiddling his thumbs between international games?

 

It's best suited to experienced managers who are looking to retire, or club managers who never cut it but had decent reputations up to a point.

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Just now, TRon said:

 

He won't touch it for at least a decade. International management is too restrictive, Eddie wants to be involved from 6am to 8pm. Can you imagine him twiddling his thumbs between international games?

 

It's best suited to experienced managers who are looking to retire, or club managers who never cut it but had decent reputations up to a point.

Bruce then 

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13 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I agree, but our talent is pool is confined to certain positions. We're stacked at full back, out wide and in attacking midfield, but look light at centre back, in the middle and up top.

 

But you don't need world class talent in all positions to win a tournament. Portugal won Euro 2016 with Cedric and and a 32 year old Jose Fonte as the right side of their defense. The core of Bellingham, Saka, Foden with world class full backs is an excellent base to build from. The Euros are in two years. Kane will still be there. In fact, most of this squad with the exception of maybe Henderson will still be there. 

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Southgate has done his best but he just isn't a top manager, he wouldn't get a job in the premier league, we have had favourable draws in qualifying and the final tournaments, the only decent side i can remember us beating was Germany in the Euro's.

 

He just isn't a very good manager.

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20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, agreed.  It always struck me that Lloris would go the same way that the first went.  I feel more sorry for the bloke than anything else, but unlike the first I was convinced he’d miss / have it saved. 

 

Was interesting the way the French players all vociferously congratulated Lloris for a skied penalty. They clearly thought he'd won a battle of minds.

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Best team lost. Not much in it. Mpappe non existent. Kane needed to convert 2nd pen then it was game on but lost his bottle. Should’ve had 3 pens but ref was never giving more than one. Giroud… well I’ve said for the last 10yr approx he does what he does  ?‍♂️ 

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