relámpago blanco Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 21:55, NWMag said: This should really be the top fiveometer this season seeing as the PL is pretty much nailed on for an extra CL spot Expand Agreed, could be top 6ometer as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 21:50, TheBrownBottle said: Progress = league position? Expand Correct, ideally finishing 1st, but that will be difficult for anyone to achieve, apart from Man City of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Does top 5 make CL this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:01, manorpark said: Correct, ideally finishing 1st, but that will be difficult for anyone to achieve, apart from Man City of course. Expand Oof. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment mate. Try not to get too radged up at the players / management if it doesn’t happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:02, Decky said: Does top 5 make CL this season? Expand Depends on UEFA coefficients. If English clubs have a similar season to last year, then yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) On 30/07/2023 at 22:04, TheBrownBottle said: Oof. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment mate. Try not to get too radged up at the players / management if it doesn’t happen. Expand I am surprised you would use those words in relation to me. All I am saying is what our owners intend to happen and (consequently) what I expect will happen. Edited July 30, 2023 by manorpark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:08, manorpark said: I am surprised you would use those words in relation to me. All I am saying is what our owners intend to happen and (consequently) what I expect will happen. Expand My worry is that those with unrealistic expectations are more likely to become more critical than those who aren’t. Apologies, didn’t mean it as a personal insult Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 21:40, The College Dropout said: We’ve not attacked the transfer market like we need to 4 again - so far. Expand Still plenty of time left yet and it hasn't been bad so far. Another 2 (maybe even 1 depending on the player) good signings can take it from a decent window to excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:31, TheBrownBottle said: My worry is that those with unrealistic expectations are more likely to become more critical than those who aren’t. Apologies, didn’t mean it as a personal insult Expand No problem mate Though I do not have any 'unrealistic' expectations, just knowing our owners I have the appropriate realistic expectations, as I always have had about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:04, TheBrownBottle said: Oof. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment mate. Try not to get too radged up at the players / management if it doesn’t happen. Expand This is sooo gonna happen if we don’t - going to be like ASM thread meltdown levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 There’s already toys oot because we haven’t bought anybody else in the last 2 weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:53, Gawalls said: This is sooo gonna happen if we don’t - going to be like ASM thread meltdown levels. Expand Not here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 I don't think it comes down to our owners ambition or what they want. The FFP situation just makes it really tricky. Ignoring Brighton and Villa for now we are competing against 6 clubs who can outspend us in terms of fees and wages for players. Last season we overachieved and pushed our squad to its absolute limit. You can't just bring in a couple of extra players and expect to 'progress' against the sides above and around you when they are improving their squads even further. It could end up being an even bigger challenge to finish top 6 this season than it was top 4 last. So I hope the majority of fans aren't daft enough to use last season as a yardstick of what constitutes a good season this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 23:06, Jaqen said: I don't think it comes down to our owners ambition or what they want. The FFP situation just makes it really tricky. Ignoring Brighton and Villa for now we are competing against 6 clubs who can outspend us in terms of fees and wages for players. Last season we overachieved and pushed our squad to its absolute limit. You can't just bring in a couple of extra players and expect to 'progress' against the sides above and around you when they are improving their squads even further. It could end up being an even bigger challenge to finish top 6 this season than it was top 4 last. So I hope the majority of fans aren't daft enough to use last season as a yardstick of what constitutes a good season this year. Expand I was gonna type something very similar (same message) but couldn’t be arsed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 21:50, TheBrownBottle said: Progress = league position? Expand After 3 years we'll have to finish higher than first in the league using that standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 23:06, Jaqen said: I don't think it comes down to our owners ambition or what they want. The FFP situation just makes it really tricky. Ignoring Brighton and Villa for now we are competing against 6 clubs who can outspend us in terms of fees and wages for players. Last season we overachieved and pushed our squad to its absolute limit. You can't just bring in a couple of extra players and expect to 'progress' against the sides above and around you when they are improving their squads even further. It could end up being an even bigger challenge to finish top 6 this season than it was top 4 last. So I hope the majority of fans aren't daft enough to use last season as a yardstick of what constitutes a good season this year. Expand Needs pinned this. Not on here but on the forheads of some of our whoppers. Printed backwards so they can read it in the mirror when they're squeezing their acne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 21:55, NWMag said: This should really be the top fiveometer this season seeing as the PL is pretty much nailed on for an extra CL spot Expand Given they’re only using a one year coefficient to determine who gets the extra places, I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s nailed on. It wouldn’t take that much of a poor season for our teams to perform slightly less well overall than the Italian and Spanish teams. Having said that, history dictates it’ll almost certainly be two out of England, Italy and Spain, so you’d take those odds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 22:05, TheBrownBottle said: Depends on UEFA coefficients. If English clubs have a similar season to last year, then yes. Expand Is it not based on the previous year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 31/07/2023 at 06:10, The Prophet said: Is it not based on the previous year? Expand For CL 24/25, it’s based on what happens in 23/24 season. So you could get a scenario where the result of the CL final is critical to which countries have the two best coefficients, meaning the domestic season is done, you’ve finished 5th, but you won’t know for a week or two whether you’ve made CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Top 6 would be great, top 4 seems impossible with added fixtures and so many teams improving. Our squad is nowhere near strong enough yet, but we are getting there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 What are we settling on then for this season's target, then? Top six? Just had a quick scan and it seems the bookies have us finishing 6th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 As ever it depends on injuries, cup runs, etc, but for me a good season would be qualifying for some form of European football again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 31/07/2023 at 07:52, Rich said: What are we settling on then for this season's target, then? Top six? Just had a quick scan and it seems the bookies have us finishing 6th. Expand Top 6 aye, think it will be tough though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) I think a couple of teams will falter as it happens almost every year. It does seem a hard season though. The top 10 could be very strong. It would be great if Man City are sussed. Edited July 31, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 On 30/07/2023 at 23:06, Jaqen said: I don't think it comes down to our owners ambition or what they want. The FFP situation just makes it really tricky. Ignoring Brighton and Villa for now we are competing against 6 clubs who can outspend us in terms of fees and wages for players. Last season we overachieved and pushed our squad to its absolute limit. You can't just bring in a couple of extra players and expect to 'progress' against the sides above and around you when they are improving their squads even further. It could end up being an even bigger challenge to finish top 6 this season than it was top 4 last. So I hope the majority of fans aren't daft enough to use last season as a yardstick of what constitutes a good season this year. Expand Absolutely spot on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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