McDog Posted Sunday at 21:04 Share Posted Sunday at 21:04 UCL is the only goal here. The EPL extra money for finishing higher is trivial. I do get what Yorkie is saying but in this age, UCL is paramount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted Sunday at 21:05 Share Posted Sunday at 21:05 (edited) 3 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: The average PPG of Villas remaining matches is 1.48 and ours is 1.44. Average 1.52 PPG for our remaining opponents, 1.49 PPG for Villa's remaining opponents. Edited Sunday at 21:07 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted Sunday at 21:06 Share Posted Sunday at 21:06 Oh so they're using Home and Away PPG? I just used the raw PPG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted Sunday at 21:07 Share Posted Sunday at 21:07 15 minutes ago, midds said: Forest and Chelsea playing a draw on the last day would be splendid Not if they were 4th and 5th and we were 6th and 3 points behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramirez Posted Sunday at 21:15 Share Posted Sunday at 21:15 I thino we could have it put to bed before then all being well. Win against palace and it becomes must win for Villa really, catch them on break or take draw. Ideally seal it home to Chelsea then try and finish as high as possible. Good chance city drop points this weekend too, can see Fulham getting something off Chelsea too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted Sunday at 21:16 Share Posted Sunday at 21:16 Feel like the current form / context of the team is a better judge than the PPG E.g Bournemouth were on fire when they beat us a few month ago, best team we played all season Now I'm pretty sure Villa will get 3 points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted Sunday at 21:26 Share Posted Sunday at 21:26 16 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: Oh so they're using Home and Away PPG? I just used the raw PPG. Yep, in general I don't think it matters all that much – but given that every now and then you'll find a team or two that are very good at home yet horrid away (or vice versa) – meaning if it's a season where some teams are like that, it will give better insight than the overall PPG numbers This season, Ipswich and Palace are performing vastly better away from home than they are at home. The opposite goes for Man City, Chelsea and Villa who aren't doing the same business away like they are doing at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted Sunday at 21:27 Share Posted Sunday at 21:27 Meaningful games / timings as well. Liverpool will have likely wrapped up the league in 2 games time with Leicester A and Spurs H, and if so, their following away match at Chelsea will be much less daunting (for Chelsea). Liverpool won't be having eyes on other competitions, but their motivation will be a lot lower than it would have been if there was something riding on it. We may benefit similarly vs Arsenal, but that's away, and there is a bit of needle in the fixture now and they will want to win with us having beaten them 3 times already this season, but not as daunting as if they needed it for 1st or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted Sunday at 21:35 Share Posted Sunday at 21:35 From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Sunday at 22:00 Share Posted Sunday at 22:00 24 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Villa and Forest. It won't make that significant a dent to Chelsea's income relative to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted Sunday at 22:15 Share Posted Sunday at 22:15 We've now won as many games as Forest and Arsenal. Mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted Sunday at 23:42 Share Posted Sunday at 23:42 2 hours ago, gazza ladra said: From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Villa, for sure. It's crucial Villa misses out; that'll mess up their plans and maybe they'll sell a star player. Us in third, City fourth, and Forest fifth is perfect for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted Sunday at 23:45 Share Posted Sunday at 23:45 2 minutes ago, tarie4 said: Villa, for sure. It's crucial Villa misses out; that'll mess up their plans and maybe they'll sell a star player. Us in third, City fourth, and Forest fifth is perfect for me. Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Sunday at 23:48 Share Posted Sunday at 23:48 2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Yup. Locking out Man City and Chelsea would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted Sunday at 23:54 Share Posted Sunday at 23:54 3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted Sunday at 23:57 Share Posted Sunday at 23:57 Right, I get that. I'd prefer Man City and Chelsea finish out of the top 5. But from a strategic point of view (with PSR and all that means), we're better off with Villa missing out. I think.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted Monday at 00:02 Share Posted Monday at 00:02 5 minutes ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. Much prefer Villa becoming a challenger than continuing on with the same cartel-clubs season after season. Would that make it theoretically "harder" for us to be one of the teams that qualify for the CL season after season? Maybe, if not most likely, but still... it'd mean more competition between more clubs, which in turn would make qualifying feel much more satisfying and "earned". If the same clubs don't continually qualify for the CL and pocket insane amounts of cash more than the other clubs in the league, it'd make for a more competitive and entertaining league as a whole – which is, to me at least, much more preferable than the same three-four clubs duking it out for the title every season and the rest of the teams just making up the numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted Monday at 01:11 Share Posted Monday at 01:11 I keep staring at the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted Monday at 01:18 Share Posted Monday at 01:18 1 hour ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. If we want to step up a level, we need to be chipping away at closing down Man City and Chelsea, in terms of spending power, prestige/attraction and league positions. Would rather do that, even if it means Villa are coming up with us too. That'll be a long road with Man City but us getting CL and Chelsea not would mean we're really starting to become attractive relative to Chelsea - it'd mean CL for 2 years in 3 for us, and none for Chelsea in that timeframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted Monday at 05:21 Share Posted Monday at 05:21 5 hours ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. I guess I'm just so confident in our long term plan and personnel that I think we'll be competing for trophies regularly soon enough regardless, so I welcome any new challenger disrupting the cartel clubs even if that makes it a bit more difficult in thepry for us to achieve short term success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted Monday at 05:23 Share Posted Monday at 05:23 If we were to qualify for the UCL next season, the new format would definitely help us. There will be some easier games like Villa had this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Monday at 05:23 Share Posted Monday at 05:23 Villas threat is over stated. Financials are much worst than ours and they don't have a sovereign state backing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted Monday at 06:11 Share Posted Monday at 06:11 9 hours ago, Superior Acuña said: It's very nice that Villa and Man City face each other a few days after we play Villa - nice to know that if we lose to Villa (quite likely) they or Man City are definitely dropping points in the next game. Not sure it’s quite likely we lose to Villa, this forum’s infatuation with them aside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted Monday at 06:18 Share Posted Monday at 06:18 You'd have to assume that no European football puts ManU in a difficult PSR position next year. Chelsea have to run out of loopholes soon as well so keeping those 3/2 away from CL cash maybe the way to get rid of PSR in its current form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted Monday at 07:01 Share Posted Monday at 07:01 42 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: You'd have to assume that no European football puts ManU in a difficult PSR position next year. Chelsea have to run out of loopholes soon as well so keeping those 3/2 away from CL cash maybe the way to get rid of PSR in its current form Less certain about that part than the rest of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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