The Europeometer™ (2024/25)

[Stifler]

10 hours ago, 54 said:

Its only 4 games, and performances need to improve, but so far:

• 3 points ahead of Chelsea
• 4 points ahead of Man United
• 6 points ahead of Tottenham

And we're 3 points better off than the same fixtures last season. Not too bad, despite the performances being not so great.

Are we not 5 points better off than last season?

[Froggy]

12 hours ago, 54 said:

Not too bad, despite the performances being not so great.

 

I'm told that the performance is the most important? Doesn't even matter if you're winning trophies while you try and sort things out.

 

I think it's clear that, despite Newcastle winning games while the issues are fixed, Eddie Howe is indeed a fraud.

[Keegans Export]

9 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

I have no idea if this start is a good or a bad sign at the moment like. 

 

We're clearly not playing particularly well. It really depends on whether you believe Howe can get Gordon back to 23/24 levels, get Tonali and Bruno working together, get Isak a bit more service etc. 

 

He managed to take a team destined for relegation to a comfortable mid-table finish (admittedly with a very good January transfer window), then qualify for the Champions League the next season then drag us to the brink of Europe again the following season despite having so many first team players unavailable for extended periods. 

 

I've got faith that he can get it clicking more consistently and if he does, we're on for a cracking season. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

On 27/07/2024 at 13:16, Coffee_Johnny said:

Converting all seasons to have the same number of games per month (based on 2024-25: Aug 

2, S 4, O 3, N 4, Dec 6, J 4, F 4, M 2, A 5, M 4). The blue line is a prediction (based on difficulty of opposition) where we will pick up the 69 or so points likely to be required for a fourth place finish.

The columns show where we have picked up points in previously three seasons. Note fantastic second half of seasons in 2020-21 and 2021-22, and poor second half last year. 

 

 

With two games to go in September we are already at (purple line) the predicted points total (blue line) for end of month. 

 

 

Edited September 16 by Coffee_Johnny

[Cf]

2 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

 

 

With two games to go in September we are already at (purple line) the predicted points total (blue line) for end of month. 

 

Is the legend for the bars off by a year here?

[samptime29]

Be really helpful if Wilson can come back in a few weeks and start scoring.

[Coffee_Johnny]

12 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

Is the legend for the bars off by a year here?

Good spot. I'll fix it, thanks.

[Stottie]

1 win and 1 draw in two away games, both of which had us behind at half time. That has to be a positive sign after our struggles in the dec-jan part of last season. Going behind then led to falling further behind.

 

Last half season form isn't bad either. 27 goals in our last 10 home games for those of you who can get in. That's lots of limbs! Most of that Chelsea form is with Poch and Gallagher.

 

 

[janpawel]

Villa started pretty well too, good job is customary for us to take 6 points off them during the season 

[Bellars]

It's kind of crazy to think that, if we avoid defeat vs Fulham, we will have 11 or 13 points from the first 5 fixtures.

 

Whereas 3 seasons ago (21 - 22), we earned 11 points in the first 19 fixtures that season. 

 

Wild

[TRon]

Top 4 it's hard to see past City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. I guess if we are taking a cheeky shot at CL only 5th place looks realistic. 7th at this point of the season is not too bad though, sitting above Man U and Spurs anyway.

[54]

After the international break, we're about to learn a hell of a lot about Slots Liverpool, here are all their fixtures leading to Christmas:

 

Chelsea (H)

RB Leipzig (A) - Champions League

Arsenal (A)

Brighton (A) - EFL Cup

Brighton (H)

Leverkusen (H) - Champions League 

Aston Villa (H)

Southampton (A)

Real Madrid (H) - Champions League 

Man City (H)

Newcastle (A)

Everton (A)

Girona (A) - Champions League 

Fulham (H)

Tottenham (A)

[RodneyCisse]

For the extra spots next season, who do we need to do well/badly in regard to other leagues taking the spots?

[54]

15 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:

For the extra spots next season, who do we need to do well/badly in regard to other leagues taking the spots?

https://theanalyst.com/2024/09/champions-league-extra-spot-premier-league

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

Said this in another thread but the top 4 will be

 

Man City

Arsenal

Liverpool

Chelsea

 

Then think Spurs and Villa will get 5th and 6th and we need to be aiming for that 6th spot if someone slips up, we are a million miles away from getting CL again.

 

We need to hope Man Utd lets ten Hag stick around as at the minute they look like they are in a rut

[gjohnson]

7 minutes ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said:

Said this in another thread but the top 4 will be

 

Man City

Arsenal

Liverpool

Chelsea

 

Then think Spurs and Villa will get 5th and 6th and we need to be aiming for that 6th spot if someone slips up, we are a million miles away from getting CL again.

 

We need to hope Man Utd lets ten Hag stick around as at the minute they look like they are in a rut

How about waiting till 38 games are done? Spurs can't be relied on for anything and Villa are no different to us last season.

 

Probability and past statistics aren't in our favour but who knows what can happen at the end of the season?

 

A few wobbly games for Chelsea and Marescos binned, Arteta has his traditional melt down and is banned for several games, City lose their case and are deducted 1000 points. Man U do everyone a favour and appoint Southgate...All starts to look in liverpools favour. 🤢

[Elbel1]

Can't see Chelsea in the top 4.

They were always going to start well but come Christmas unrest in the dressing room between the players who aren't getting the minutes they think they deserve will unrail their season

[OoOGazOoO]

I think realistically, if we are serious about playing European football, you can't get 1 point from games like Fulham & Everton away. 

They're the types of games you need to be winning and pick up points on the road to hopefully compliment a strong home campaign.

 

Yes we created chances yesterday and yes we have injuries to our 2 best strikers, but that's the hand we have been dealt.

[Geogaddi]

I think we will finish in a similar position to last season, we simply aren't good enough away from home to finish any higher .

[Jewel]

Yesterdays result was very disappointing.

 

Even if other teams do slip up, it showed that we are in no shape to take advantage.

 

I think we’ll finish 7th or 8th.  A rebuild is needed in the summer IMO.

[Elliottman]

In our champions league season, we’d won game at this point and drew 5 and had 8 points. 
 

We’ve still not clicked and despite not playing great lost only 1 game which looking back could have easily of drawn if Schar puts that chance away.

 

We’ve still got a few gears to go up yet and I’m pretty confident once we start scoring again we’ll have a strong season. 

[TRon]

57 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

How about waiting till 38 games are done? Spurs can't be relied on for anything and Villa are no different to us last season.

 

Probability and past statistics aren't in our favour but who knows what can happen at the end of the season?

 

A few wobbly games for Chelsea and Marescos binned, Arteta has his traditional melt down and is banned for several games, City lose their case and are deducted 1000 points. Man U do everyone a favour and appoint Southgate...All starts to look in liverpools favour. 🤢

 

 

Might as well close this thread and lock it until the end of the season then.

[ohmelads]

Let's not forget the January window. We came out of the summer window on a profit, and we know the Guehi money is there. We could potentially spend big in January and if we get that right, it could have a major effect on the second half of the season, as it did when Trippier, Burn, Targett and Bruno came in. We won't see multiple deals like then, but just one top right winger could dramatically change our team and add depth up front if they're comfortable there.

 

We also have two of our most important players to return at some point. Isak's had a broken toe but could potentially get to full fitness for the first time this season. Botman if he's lucky with his recovery could still have a big say in the second half of the season. We will get injuries but our rivals have more congested fixture lists ahead of them.

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Might as well close this thread and lock it until the end of the season then.

Best idea I've heard all week

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, ohmelads said:

Let's not forget the January window. We came out of the summer window on a profit, and we know the Guehi money is there. We could potentially spend big in January and if we get that right, it could have a major effect on the second half of the season, as it did when Trippier, Burn, Targett and Bruno came in. We won't see multiple deals like then, but just one top right winger could dramatically change our team and add depth up front if they're comfortable there.

 

We also have two of our most important players to return at some point. Isak's had a broken toe but could potentially get to full fitness for the first time this season. Botman if he's lucky with his recovery could still have a big say in the second half of the season. We will get injuries but our rivals have more congested fixture lists ahead of them.

 

There's Wilson to come back as well. I know that seems like a sad joke given his history, but he has scored goals which defined our season previously, despite limited involvement.