The College Dropout Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Btw I think we finished 10th to qualify for the Fairs Cup... which obviously some kind of pre-intertoto cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 21 minutes ago, astraguy said: Its just a re worded Intertoto Cup,and who won that? It's nothing like the Intertoto Cup like. More Cup Winners Cup standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: 28 minutes ago, astraguy said: Its just a re worded Intertoto Cup,and who won that? It's nothing like the Intertoto Cup like. More Cup Winners Cup standard. Why do people keep saying this? The Intertoto Cup was a preliminary qualifier for the UEFA Cup contained entirely in pre-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Why do people keep saying this? The Intertoto Cup was a preliminary qualifier for the UEFA Cup contained entirely in pre-season. This. None of these competitions are anything like the Intertoto Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Look. If no one else has the cojones to say it I will. I hope we forfeit our spot if we get the conference league. It's just an unnecessary distraction to getting in to the prettier parts of Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Europa Conference would be class. You'd get to the last 8 playing a fringe XI so could rest the A-listers so they're not playing twice a week, and the fringe players get important minutes throughout the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: Europa Conference would be class. You'd get to the last 8 playing a fringe XI so could rest the A-listers so they're not playing twice a week, and the fringe players get important minutes throughout the season. Totally agree. It's the perfect nursery pool for us IMO. Extra games but of a lower standard. Away to FCwhothefuck in Europe are exactly the sorts of games where Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy can get a game. Save the class lads for the bread and butter of the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, STM said: Totally agree. It's the perfect nursery pool for us IMO. Extra games but of a lower standard. Away to FCwhothefuck in Europe are exactly the sorts of games where Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy can get a game. Save the class lads for the bread and butter of the PL. I’m all for it, blood the team including the young uns and some squad players, and Eddie into 2 games a week, build our European co-efficient and hopefully break our duck and claim a trophy. This isn’t something to turn our noses up to. Knowing us we’d fuck it up though, West Ham win in 2023, Villa win in 2024 and then we shoot ourselves in the foot and miss out on a trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 hours ago, STM said: Totally agree. It's the perfect nursery pool for us IMO. Extra games but of a lower standard. Away to FCwhothefuck in Europe are exactly the sorts of games where Lascelles, Longstaff, Murphy can get a game. Save the class lads for the bread and butter of the PL. And class away trips for the supporters too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 8 hours ago, astraguy said: Its just a re worded Intertoto Cup,and who won that? It isn’t like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 hours ago, wormy said: Look. If no one else has the cojones to say it I will. I hope we forfeit our spot if we get the conference league. It's just an unnecessary distraction to getting in to the prettier parts of Europe. Not only is this not the case, it even has the advantage of increasing the club’s coefficients which would mean that any future European Cup qualification would see more money paid in prizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 It's a third tier tournament, just like the domestic Full Members cup back in the day. Someone said it was on par with the old Cup Winners Cup, which is bollocks as you actually had to win something in the first place to get into it. I wouldn't mind being in it but I'd use it as a platform to play the fringe players only. If we won I'd put in on par with our Texaco and Anglo Italian cup wins in the early 70s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Beth said: It's a third tier tournament, just like the domestic Full Members cup back in the day. Someone said it was on par with the old Cup Winners Cup, which is bollocks as you actually had to win something in the first place to get into it. I wouldn't mind being in it but I'd use it as a platform to play the fringe players only. If we won I'd put in on par with our Texaco and Anglo Italian cup wins in the early 70s. Look at the clubs in the latter years of the CWC. When Chelsea won it in one of the last years, they had the likes of Tromso...Stuttgart being one of the most difficult teams that year. Our one season in it, we'd just finished 13th. The very last CWC, was Lazio v Mallorca in the final. Their runs had been: LAZIO: (7th in Italian League) Lausanne-Sport (3rd in Swiss League) Partizan Belgrade (3rd in Yugoslavian League) Panionios (11th in Greek League) Chelsea (4th in English League) REAL MALLORCA: (5th in Spanish League) Hearts (3rd in Scottish League) Genk (2nd in Belgian League) Varteks (10th in Croatian League) Loko Moscow (3rd in Russian League) Most of those clubs would be in Euro Conference through league placings these days (3rd in the likes of the Scottish, Belgian, Swiss Leagues etc normally struggle to make the Europa League Proper and drop down into the Europa Conference for instance). Was so surprised it only needed 8 games to reach the final. Edited March 16 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 hours ago, Beth said: It's a third tier tournament, just like the domestic Full Members cup back in the day. Someone said it was on par with the old Cup Winners Cup, which is bollocks as you actually had to win something in the first place to get into it. I wouldn't mind being in it but I'd use it as a platform to play the fringe players only. If we won I'd put in on par with our Texaco and Anglo Italian cup wins in the early 70s. No, it’s more like a European League Cup. The Texaco Cup were never recognised competitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Fuck it, it's a trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 We should absolutely be wanting any European football. Fuck, even if just for Howe to get experience in European football and improve. Would also be our best chance of a trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Beth said: It's a third tier tournament, just like the domestic Full Members cup back in the day. Someone said it was on par with the old Cup Winners Cup, which is bollocks as you actually had to win something in the first place to get into it. I wouldn't mind being in it but I'd use it as a platform to play the fringe players only. If we won I'd put in on par with our Texaco and Anglo Italian cup wins in the early 70s. As is the case for the Conference League. Qualification is based entirely on merit, i.e. domestic cup wins and league placing. That's the total opposite of the likes of the Anglo-Italian Cup, which featured mostly bottom half, second division and (for a few years) semi-pro sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Again we finished 10th to qualify for the Fairs Cup. So that doesn’t count either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: No, it’s more like a European League Cup. The Texaco Cup were never recognised competitions It's not though is it. CL = FA Cup EL = League Cup ECL= PapaJohns Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Beth said: It's not though is it. CL = FA Cup EL = League Cup ECL= PapaJohns Cup None of those competitions are equivalents of one another (unless you can point me to Maidstone United's Champions League opposite number...?) But in any case, the Papa Johns Cup is comprised of all teams from the third tier, fourth tier and Under-21 divisions. Participation is guaranteed. The Conference League is merit-based and comprised of domestic cup winners and First Division high finishers (e.g. Villa, Frankfurt, Fiorentina, etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Beth said: It's not though is it. CL = FA Cup EL = League Cup ECL= PapaJohns Cup If you think that the European Cup is the European equivalent of the FA Cup, then there’s little more I can write. Bloody hell … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 It's the third of the European Competitions, and no, it's not the Champions League, but fuck me, I fucking hope we win it. As for the point someone made about yeah, at least you had to win something to win the Cup Winners' Cup, you also had to win your league to even get to play for the big trophy, but I don't see many people pointing that out about the Champions League these days. If we do win the conf league, we can then spend the next 40 years going on about having won two European trophies, as much as we have done for the last 40 years about winning the last one. Joking apart, I heard these same arguments from our fans about the Conference League. We haven't won anything for 28 years, and even then it was only the league cup, as was the last one before that. Yet the same fans who were belittling this competition are then happy to spend fucking hours agonising over qualifying for Europe in the first place, and reducing football to agonising about amortisation of player costs. It's pretty amazing that any of our fans - or yours, for that matter - can engage in any turning up of the nose at a UEFA competition, given the fact we've both spent several decades staying as far away as possible from actually winning stuff, which is what I thought football was meant to be about. People belittle the League Cup, too, but I was fucking gutted in 2020 and in 2010 when we lost two finals. It didn't feel pisspot walking out of Wembley having failed again. Progression has to start somewhere, it's never going to start by getting into the Champions League / Europa League / Conference League every now and then but not actually ever winning anything. Look how much silverware the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Man City just hoover up like it's their day to day bread and butter. That's what we have to start to compete with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 More money gained if you make the champions league this year isn' it? Spurs are lucky 5th Is a spot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Agree on that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Man United well in contention after this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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