The Europeometer™ (2024/25)

[Heron]

I'm fairly confident we'll get 4th personally.

 

Everyone is dropping points here and there, we won't be alone if we do. We have Spurs at home, Brighton at home, Man United at home, Arsenal at home. Most of our difficult fixtures are out of the way. It's simply whether or not we're capable of putting teams to the sword when they sit in against us.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by Heron

[SUPERTOON]

Spurs sacking conte this week will make it harder imo.

[Infatuation Junkie]

I’m watching away matches on a Thursday on BT sports with Newcastle on the box.

 

There. I said it. 
 

This transfer window with us finishing in a Champions League position will be the reason I wear baggy pants for the whole window. 
 

I will need to hide my raging bonar 

[TomYam]

Presently, we can finish anywhere from 3rd to 11th. Likelihood is we'll finish 4th to 7th. Stating the obvious, but if we defeat ManU, the resulting confidence, coupled with a busier fixture list for most of our rivals, would make a CL finish highly plausible. 

So let's screw the 'biggest football club in the world' and make a real statement of intent.

 

[Cronky]

I think we've put our blip behind us and our players look in a good place, mentally and physically. The pressure on Man U, Liverpool and Spurs is greater and unless we have bad luck with injuries, our squad should be okay. Third place looks possible, in fact. 

 

Apart from Arsenal and Man City, every Premiership club will find it difficult to put a long run of victories together. Everyone's either fighting relegation or chasing a European spot, so there'll be no easy points to pick up.

 

I know our squad doesn't look anything like good enough on paper, but we've been sustaining good results for over a year now. It's no fluke.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by Cronky

[huss9]

so what happens if chelsea fluke the champions league?

[SteV]

45 minutes ago, huss9 said:

so what happens if chelsea fluke the champions league?

We’ll have 5 teams in the CL.

 

Still slightly unsure as to whether West Ham winning the Conference League would have any impact on places outside of the CL?

[HaydnNUFC]

Only way in which we can finish 4th and not play Champions League is if Chelsea win the Champions League this season AND Manchester United win the Europa League but finish this season outside the top 4. It's possible but both those scenarios happening is very unlikely, Chelsea have got Real Madrid next and even if they got past them they then have the winners of Man City v Bayern.

[HaydnNUFC]

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a) If the FA Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League, their UEL group stage place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

b) If the EFL Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League (or top six if (a) happens), their UECL playoff place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League.

 

In the event that a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither of these clubs finish in the top four of the Premier League, the club lying fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage.

 

If a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither have qualified for UEFA competitions through their league positions or by winning the FA Cup or EFL Cup, they will qualify for the UEFA Champions League and the club finishing fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage. 

 

This UEFA Europa League group stage place will be in addition to the one for the club finishing fifth and to the places in the UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League for the FA Cup and EFL Cup winners (or for the highest-ranked clubs not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League if the FA Cup and EFL Cup winners have already qualified for UEFA competitions through their league position).

 

 

https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained

 

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by HaydnNUFC

[Guest]

It should go back to the Cup runners up getting the European spot if the winners qualify for the CL or Europe via the league rather than dropping a place in the league imo. 

[Slim]

4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

It should go back to the Cup runners up getting the European spot if the winners qualify for the CL or Europe via the league rather than dropping a place in the league imo. 

Disagree should be based on the League.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Slim said:

Disagree should be based on the League.

 

I liked it. Gives the smaller club something as a 'consolation' prize. Teams like Millwall getting into Europe after making it to a final was class. 

[Slim]

38 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

I liked it. Gives the smaller club something as a 'consolation' prize. Teams like Millwall getting into Europe after making it to a final was class. 

Yeah but also I want the best teams in it.  Imagine playing well all season to be fucked over cos of a shit draw you got in the cup.

 

Obviously its class if you are the team that qualified and never normally would.

[Guest]

You'd know the craic about a month before the season ends though and was always the case for the Cup Winner's Cup then the UEFA Cup to begin with. 

 

I'd also say getting to the FA Cup Final is a bigger achievement than 7th in the Premier League.

[SteV]

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

I'd also say getting to the FA Cup Final is a bigger achievement than 7th in the Premier League.

Not sure about that like. Millwall’s route to the final (and therefore Europe) in 2004 was:

 

Walsall

Telford

Burnley

Tranmere 

Sunderland

 

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, SteV said:

Not sure about that like. Millwall’s route to the final (and therefore Europe) in 2004 was:

 

Walsall

Telford

Burnley

Tranmere 

Sunderland

 

 

That's the game, though. Just think it's a shame that a route into Europe for the underdogs has been blocked for the sake of seeing an Everton, West Ham, Leicester playing their reserves and getting to the last 16.

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

That's the game, though. Just think it's a shame that a route into Europe for the underdogs has been blocked for the sake of seeing an Everton, West Ham, Leicester playing their reserves and getting to the last 16.

Millwall got knocked out in the first round and Wigan came bottom of the group when they qualified.

 

Having said that I do take your point about variety. Something the Conference League seems to have been good for providing.

[wormy]

I'd have no complaints if it went back to cup runners up getting a European spot, and not just because we would've all but secured our route already this season.

 

I can't explain why but it feels wrong that European spots can drop all the way to 7th in the League. Aren't top coefficient countries going to get a 5th CL spot in future? Is that an extra spot even if an English club wins the CL or EL, meaning we could end up with six clubs in the CL? We could be looking at 9th in the league getting a spot in Europe if everything aligned. Just seems ridiculous.

[SteV]

33 minutes ago, wormy said:

I'd have no complaints if it went back to cup runners up getting a European spot, and not just because we would've all but secured our route already this season.

 

I can't explain why but it feels wrong that European spots can drop all the way to 7th in the League. Aren't top coefficient countries going to get a 5th CL spot in future? Is that an extra spot even if an English club wins the CL or EL, meaning we could end up with six clubs in the CL? We could be looking at 9th in the league getting a spot in Europe if everything aligned. Just seems ridiculous.

I don’t think being runner-up in the league cup has ever qualified you, has it?

[wormy]

Just now, SteV said:

I don’t think being runner-up in the league cup has ever qualified you, has it?

 

Fair enough. I don't doubt for one second that I could be wrong.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SteV said:

I don’t think being runner-up in the league cup has ever qualified you, has it?

 

Aye was just the FA Cup. I think League Cup losers is too much of a stretch since not all countries have it. 

[midds]

Obligatory mention of the (heartfelt) absence of the Cup Winners Cup these days

[Collage]

25 minutes ago, midds said:

Obligatory mention of the (heartfelt) absence of the Cup Winners Cup these days

I miss it every day.

[Geordie Ahmed]

7 hours ago, wormy said:

I'd have no complaints if it went back to cup runners up getting a European spot, and not just because we would've all but secured our route already this season.

 

I can't explain why but it feels wrong that European spots can drop all the way to 7th in the League. Aren't top coefficient countries going to get a 5th CL spot in future? Is that an extra spot even if an English club wins the CL or EL, meaning we could end up with six clubs in the CL? We could be looking at 9th in the league getting a spot in Europe if everything aligned. Just seems ridiculous.

That's correct, so for the 2024-25 season the top 2 coefficient countries will get an extra spot, which basically means for next season finishing 5th gets you CL (Unless the winners of both CL/EL finish outside of 5th)

 

The 2 countries are likely to be England and Spain 

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Geordie Ahmed

[Cronky]

Let's campaign for the re-instatement for the one club per city rule, that existed in Fairs Cup and the UEFA cup until 1975. The only trophy that we've won during my lifetime was down to that. We finished 10th the previous season, but three clubs that finished higher than us didn't qualify because of that rule.

 

They can only say no.