The Larch Posted Saturday at 12:56 Share Posted Saturday at 12:56 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye. It’s also making me reflect more on the Isak saga. and wider player, fan, club relationships. Isak was a better player for us - consistently but was treated worse by the club. and I know one thing has informed the other but it’s left a bad taste. and yet I’m still happy for Gordon. As difficult as I think he’ll be to replace - I still don’t think he’s that good. At least isak actually played the last remaining games of the season....well, in a fashion. I think Gordon just had a waaaay better agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted Saturday at 13:02 Share Posted Saturday at 13:02 18 minutes ago, Andy said: Don't really get this perspective like. There's not much else going on to talk about and dissecting Gordon's career here and the reception to him leaving is a natural point of discussion. He's been an important part of the most successful period we've had since the 1950's. I'm not wasting energy moaning about hypothetical situations which this thread has plenty of tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Posted Saturday at 14:04 Share Posted Saturday at 14:04 Which team will he be signing for in a couple of years when Barca don't want him any more? Chelsea or Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted Saturday at 14:34 Share Posted Saturday at 14:34 2 hours ago, samptime29 said: You're being overly negative about the situation. When I was saying last year we could get a good fee for him, he didn't think a big club would pay it. Doesn't like being wrong does wor TCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted Saturday at 14:38 Share Posted Saturday at 14:38 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: When I was saying last year we could get a good fee for him, he didn't think a big club would pay it. Doesn't like being wrong does wor TCD. The Contrarian’s Contrarian™️ Defending Isak’s late season contribution in his last year. “He balled till the end” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted Saturday at 14:43 Share Posted Saturday at 14:43 (edited) Never give my heart to a player since Santiago left us to play for Real Madrid. Love the club never the player... Edited Saturday at 14:43 by RobsonsWonderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted Saturday at 14:45 Share Posted Saturday at 14:45 (edited) 3 hours ago, STM said: Gordon: Pros: Electric Pace Big game player Great pens Very good at pressing Has a strong mentality (in terms of self improvement, belief in himself) Makes decent runs off the ball Cons: Not particularly good on the ball (at the elite level) Not a great passer Not a great finisher Not a great hold up player (if playing central) Very inconsistent Doesn't seem to turn up away from home Lazy when tracking back Seems to play for himself on occasion Has a somewhat marmite character Good points Edited Saturday at 14:46 by Mountain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted Saturday at 15:14 Share Posted Saturday at 15:14 After the 10 goal 10 assist season, he's been underwhelming to the point where 60 million of PSR headroom promises more than Gordon would have done playing in the PL only for us next season. I think he is talented, is a good talker, and is potentially a better fit in a better team than he would be in a Howe NUFC team, especially a team not playing in the Premier League, which as Gordon himself pointed out is currently quite agricultural. For us and the time being, what matters is how good players are in an Eddie Howe NUFC team in the competitions we play in. The transfer fee itself is mostly irrelevant, and what matters is the PSR headroom, which is a much bigger sum given how transfers and wages go down on the books. It should get us two or three players, not just the one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Saturday at 16:23 Share Posted Saturday at 16:23 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: When I was saying last year we could get a good fee for him, he didn't think a big club would pay it. Doesn't like being wrong does wor TCD. It’s a good fee and he’s gone to a massive club. I’m actually happy for him. But he wasn’t that great for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted Saturday at 16:57 Share Posted Saturday at 16:57 (edited) 34 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: It’s a good fee and he’s gone to a massive club. I’m actually happy for him. But he wasn’t that great for us. If Sky are correct and the £69.3m quoted is inclusive of the potential £10m add-ons I would say it is only an ok fee for him even though I agree he was very inconsistent for us and I am not sorry to see him go. Edited Saturday at 16:58 by 1881 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Saturday at 17:02 Share Posted Saturday at 17:02 2 minutes ago, 1881 said: If Sky are correct and the £69.3m quoted is inclusive of the potential £10m add-ons I would say it is only an ok fee for him even though I agree he was very inconsistent for us and I am not sorry to see him go. Most are reporting £70m flat with potential to go to £80m right? Thats good money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted Saturday at 17:11 Share Posted Saturday at 17:11 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Most are reporting £70m flat with potential to go to £80m right? Thats good money. If they are correct I agree, but if you look at the Sky Sports reports they are quite clear that they believe this is not the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Saturday at 18:24 Share Posted Saturday at 18:24 Liverpool in the mud. https://getfootballnewsspain.com/anthony-gordon-rejected-a-bigger-salary-offer-to-join-barcelona/ Liverpool, it is understood, were also willing to go all out to bring Gordon to Anfield, with a superior financial package for club and player alike. As per a report from journalist Fernando Polo of Mundo Deportivo, though, the will of Gordon himself ultimately proved decisive: ‘Monday and Tuesday were tough days for Gordon. The pressure from Liverpool on his agents was very strong, and they were offering more than Barça in terms of salary and transfer fee. And Newcastle were already fine with it to provoke a bidding war. But Gordon avoided it. His decision was made.’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted Saturday at 18:32 Share Posted Saturday at 18:32 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Liverpool in the mud. https://getfootballnewsspain.com/anthony-gordon-rejected-a-bigger-salary-offer-to-join-barcelona/ Liverpool, it is understood, were also willing to go all out to bring Gordon to Anfield, with a superior financial package for club and player alike. As per a report from journalist Fernando Polo of Mundo Deportivo, though, the will of Gordon himself ultimately proved decisive: ‘Monday and Tuesday were tough days for Gordon. The pressure from Liverpool on his agents was very strong, and they were offering more than Barça in terms of salary and transfer fee. And Newcastle were already fine with it to provoke a bidding war. But Gordon avoided it. His decision was made.’ So we could have got more money. Glad that's cleared up. Glad he chose Barca and fucked them off. That's worth the undervalue imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted Saturday at 19:28 Share Posted Saturday at 19:28 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: When I was saying last year we could get a good fee for him, he didn't think a big club would pay it. Doesn't like being wrong does wor TCD. Which is unfortunate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted Saturday at 19:35 Share Posted Saturday at 19:35 1 hour ago, KaKa said: Liverpool in the mud. https://getfootballnewsspain.com/anthony-gordon-rejected-a-bigger-salary-offer-to-join-barcelona/ Liverpool, it is understood, were also willing to go all out to bring Gordon to Anfield, with a superior financial package for club and player alike. As per a report from journalist Fernando Polo of Mundo Deportivo, though, the will of Gordon himself ultimately proved decisive: ‘Monday and Tuesday were tough days for Gordon. The pressure from Liverpool on his agents was very strong, and they were offering more than Barça in terms of salary and transfer fee. And Newcastle were already fine with it to provoke a bidding war. But Gordon avoided it. His decision was made.’ Worth getting less to sell him abroad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted Saturday at 19:38 Share Posted Saturday at 19:38 2 minutes ago, duo said: Worth getting less to sell him abroad Worth getting less to never sell to Liverpool again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted Saturday at 19:38 Share Posted Saturday at 19:38 11 hours ago, gbandit said: Think there are just a lot of unhappy people supporting us, with a negative outlook generally. That then gets projected onto NUFC. There’s been a fair amount to criticise in the last year but the scale of nitpicking criticism about every last little thing is completely out of proportion. Genuinely hope that’s not how a lot of these fans view their own lives as it’s a sad thought but it’s hard to look past that being a significant contributing reason for why they view things through such a myopic, shit-stained lens Me every time I open the PIF thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted Sunday at 05:33 Share Posted Sunday at 05:33 The fact we even pick up the phone to Liverpool is a disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted Sunday at 07:16 Share Posted Sunday at 07:16 18 hours ago, The Larch said: At least isak actually played the last remaining games of the season....well, in a fashion. I think Gordon just had a waaaay better agent. Given how fast this happened there must have been conversations between Newcastle reps and Barca/Bayern reps and everyone knew he was off and so it was more not wanting to risk the move by him picking up an injury than him not wanting to play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted Sunday at 07:26 Share Posted Sunday at 07:26 I just don’t believe the Liverpool link. They were never mentioned until after the deal with Barcelona had been completed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Sunday at 07:29 Share Posted Sunday at 07:29 23 hours ago, gbandit said: Think there are just a lot of unhappy people supporting us, with a negative outlook generally. That then gets projected onto NUFC. There’s been a fair amount to criticise in the last year but the scale of nitpicking criticism about every last little thing is completely out of proportion. Genuinely hope that’s not how a lot of these fans view their own lives as it’s a sad thought but it’s hard to look past that being a significant contributing reason for why they view things through such a myopic, shit-stained lens Been saying for years that the takeover is going to have some people realise that they're just unhappy. This relentless nihilism that you're describing here has been going on more or less since the takeover happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Larch Posted Sunday at 07:31 Share Posted Sunday at 07:31 9 minutes ago, Geordie_once_removed said: Given how fast this happened there must have been conversations between Newcastle reps and Barca/Bayern reps and everyone knew he was off and so it was more not wanting to risk the move by him picking up an injury than him not wanting to play I get where you're coming from, but not playing one of our best players for fear of injury when we're battling for Europe and fighting for the managers job would be an utterly stupid gamble in my opinion. At worst we would just have to wait to sell him and have hik for another 6-12 months). Its not like there won't still be a host of buyers. That is of course assuming that gordon is an honourable person. However he would have had a hissy fit at the prospect, which is why we did what we did (again, in my opinion) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted Sunday at 08:00 Share Posted Sunday at 08:00 Ah good luck to him. Dream move which playing for NUFC helped him realise. He wouldn't have got that if he'd stayed at Everton steeped in mediocrity season after season. Seems we are happy enough with the fee. Let's just hope it isn't wasted on shite this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted Sunday at 08:06 Share Posted Sunday at 08:06 23 hours ago, gbandit said: Think there are just a lot of unhappy people supporting us, with a negative outlook generally. That then gets projected onto NUFC. There’s been a fair amount to criticise in the last year but the scale of nitpicking criticism about every last little thing is completely out of proportion. Genuinely hope that’s not how a lot of these fans view their own lives as it’s a sad thought but it’s hard to look past that being a significant contributing reason for why they view things through such a myopic, shit-stained lens Missed this. Very true. There's a festering malaise being nurtured amongst our population. Also things are and do feel shit for many. Football used to be about working class escapism but now it's rigged life life itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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