England’s Anthony Gordon

[NWMag]

Miggy was still shite last year and then all of a sudden in pre season, benfica away he was massively improved and he carried that into the season. 
 

let’s judge Gordon after a pre season, as others have already said. 

[midds]

I don't think anyone is sitting typing away hoping that Gordon continues to be shit. Everyone wants him to develop a bit, settle in and start to produce for the team and the club, no-one wants him to fail and he'll get time to turn it around. 

 

But the fact is he's created nothing when he's had minutes since he signed. People re rightly saying that maybe that big chink of money we shelled out in January could have been spent on a different player who would (almost certainly) have chipped in with a few goals and/or assists. I think that's fair enough tbh - he has been poor and denying it seems daft. No-one wants him to fail here but on first viewings he looks a bit short in many areas. 

[cajuntoon]

10 hours ago, Abacus said:

 

 

Yes, he may well become a mainstay in the side in the future.

 

But I think the frustration towards him is that in January he wasn't what we needed. Now, maybe that's because they weren't available or perhaps because I just don't know what he is. And then, of course, being thrown into certain games before he seems to know how to fit into the team makes him a bit of a lightning rod for criticism, even though neither of things are his fault.

Great argument, I see what y'all are saying. Fair enough, lets see what next year brings.

[SteV]

Everybody completely ignoring the fact that if he doesn’t get brought down he’s in on goal and probably wins the game for us.

[LFEE]

2 hours ago, midds said:

I don't think anyone is sitting typing away hoping that Gordon continues to be shit. Everyone wants him to develop a bit, settle in and start to produce for the team and the club, no-one wants him to fail and he'll get time to turn it around. 

 

But the fact is he's created nothing when he's had minutes since he signed. People re rightly saying that maybe that big chink of money we shelled out in January could have been spent on a different player who would (almost certainly) have chipped in with a few goals and/or assists. I think that's fair enough tbh - he has been poor and denying it seems daft. No-one wants him to fail here but on first viewings he looks a bit short in many areas. 

 I’ll ask again. What has he actually done so wrong to be labelled poor?

[midds]

8 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 I’ll ask again. What has he actually done so wrong to be labelled poor?

I don't think he's done anything wrong as such, he's not done much of anything at all tbh. I've not watched every minute he's played but in all his appearances combined he's got no goals, no assists, 1 shot on target, 1 booking and 1 tantrum. He's just not performed or produced anything positive at all  

[madras]

9 minutes ago, midds said:

I don't think he's done anything wrong as such, he's not done much of anything at all tbh. I've not watched every minute he's played but in all his appearances combined he's got no goals, no assists, 1 shot on target, 1 booking and 1 tantrum. He's just not performed or produced anything positive at all  

He did put Wilson through with a good ball and vision v West Ham which left him through on goal and his lack of pace allowed Aguerd to get back at him. 

[80]

I didn't see the match so can't comment overall.

 

But just on the offside ASM goal, I've seen it said repeatedly he held on to it too long before releasing Isak. Are you sure? He was in possession of the ball for literally less than a second. When I first read it on here I thought he'd been dawdling.

 

In that sub-second, he took two touches, the first to control a heavy, bobbling ball from Trippier, the second to flick it on with the outside of the same foot. And I believe if he'd knocked it on with his first touch the covering defender may well have been in position to intercept any through ball for Isak.

 

And, incidentally, the entire chance came from him pressing aggressively to cause Leeds to turn the ball over to Trippier in the first place.

 

Seems to me Isak could've timed his run better...

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by 80

[midds]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

He did put Wilson through with a good ball and vision v West Ham which left him through on goal and his lack of pace allowed Aguerd to get back at him. 

Ok, fair enough, he created that chance that didn't get converted. 

[madras]

2 minutes ago, midds said:

Ok, fair enough, he created that chance that didn't get converted. 

And yesterday if not for the professional foul ?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's had a great start and I only had him pegged as a squad player until the Summer anyway but I do think there's a good player in there.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by madras

[The College Dropout]

I think Isak should’ve held his run. 
 

Still… 0 goals. 0 assists.  

[midds]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

And yesterday if not for the professional foul ?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's had a great start and I only had him pegged as a squad player until the Summer anyway but I do think there's a good player in there.

 

 

 

We'll never know about yesterday tbh, pointless discussion?

 

I genuinely hope there's a good player in there too but I've got my doubts on the evidence I've seen so far. I hope I'm wrong but there's nothing wrong with saying he's been deeply disappointing since he signed, I'm not even sure that's up for debate. 

[LFEE]

54 minutes ago, midds said:

I don't think he's done anything wrong as such, he's not done much of anything at all tbh. I've not watched every minute he's played but in all his appearances combined he's got no goals, no assists, 1 shot on target, 1 booking and 1 tantrum. He's just not performed or produced anything positive at all  

Debut - West Ham - His substitute cameo had all those dying to sell ASM frothing at the mouth.

 

Game 2 - Bournemouth - Came on late in first half (36) and helped combine in the build up for the equaliser a few minutes later.

 

Game 3 - Liverpool - Came on (64) 0-2 down and a man short and looked bright creating a couple of chances with one on a plate for Wilson.

 

Game 4 - Starts against Man City away and looked our most dangerous player and probably would’ve scored but unfortunately clipped the ball with standing foot as he was pulling the trigger for an almost certain goal. Came off (62) and 5mins later we went down to 2-0.

 

So far so good IMO then got injured and missed Wolves (H) Forest (A)

 

Game 5 - Man Utd. Comes on (65) and does ok. Stops a couple of counters tracking back and we go on to get a second goal.

 

Game 6 - West Ham (64) plays some nice interchanges and from 1-3 we go on to win 1-5.

 

Game 7 - Brentford (46) comes on for second half and helps turn the game with good movement and passing from 1-0 to 1-2 then subbed (95) and has tantrum.

 

Game 8 - Starts against Villa and hardly sees any of the ball and is subbed (56) after a poor game along with everyone else.

 

Game 9 - Comes on (70) against Spurs and sees game out at 6-1 already with nothing particularly demanded of him. Nearly scores from a great move but for a very good save.

 

Game 10 - Comes on (87) and plays pantomime baddie with game won at 1-4 playing some nice 1-2’s.

 

Game 11 - Starts against Southampton and looks the most likely to break the deadlock but is hooked at HT losing 0-1.

 

Game 12 - Comes on (78) 0-2 down to Arsenal and helps win a few late corners with the game already lost.

 

Game 13 - Comes on (73) 1-2 up and unfortunately delays pass slightly which is converted and then game swings 2-2 but still could’ve won it for us but is pulled down in on goal in the last minute.

 

Ive never said the lad has set the world alight but he’s hardly played and certainly hasn’t been given a proper run yet but if you examine him game by game he’s had moments in most of them despite quite a few being short cameos.

 

I personally didn’t want us to sign him as thought we could buy in that position possibly better for cheaper (check my posts) but now he’s here trust EH to work with him. I just hope he doesn’t remove what makes him tick and that is his agresssion and not playing too rigid in a front three and allowed to float across.

 

Maybe just needs that first goal. Let’s hope it comes this Thursday ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by LFEE

[Yorkie]

 

Timely wee compilation. 

[BoSelecta]

36 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Timely wee compilation. 

I’m no Gordon hater but I’m surprised by the amount of quality he’s show there considering very limited minutes. He’ll come good. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Think his trajectory has been pretty normal TBH, it wasn’t like I was expecting him to come in and tear the league up immediately. 
 

He was a solid signing who became available and we pounced. It might take him a while to find his feet. 
 

Haven’t been blown away so far but he clearly has a lot of attributes. 
 

I think focusing on how many goals and assists already is silly. He could’ve easily had 3-5 assists based on that video above.  

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[BonesJones]

The speed he's able to move himself and the ball into space is great for opening up passing possibilities that cut the defence.

 

Game time will improve his confidence and I find it hard to not see him being an effective part of the team.

 

Just think, we love Eddie for a reason. Well Eddie loves Gordon for a reason, and as it stands I don't think anyone can question what Eddie's done with the players we already had, so chances are AG follows the same path.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Think his trajectory has been pretty normal TBH, it wasn’t like I was expecting him to come in and tear the league up immediately. 
 

He was a solid signing who became available and we pounced. It might take him a while to find his feet. 
 

Haven’t been blown away so far but he clearly has a lot of attributes. 
 

I think focusing on how many goals and assists already is silly. He could’ve easily had 3-5 assists based on that video above.  

 

 

 

You expected 0 goals, 0 assists and behind Muphy, Almiron, Joe & Isak out wide?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You expected 0 goals, 0 assists and behind Muphy, Almiron, Joe & Isak out wide?

Bit of a weird question. I didn’t expect any particular number of goals or assists. And I didn’t expect him to become a first team regular at any specific point in time. 
 

I just don’t think what he’s done so far has been unusually bad. 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Lish007]

Everyone moaning about him needs to remember when Wilson was shit about 2 months ago and now everything he touches goes into the back of the net. 

 

Gordon has left his home town club, a club in which he grew up and developed in, moved away from his family and left the club in somewhat horrible circumstances. They hate him now. 

 

He's just turned 22 and he's now playing - not as the golden home grown boy who's come through the academy to save Everton's season but as a 45 million pound winger for a CL chasing Saudi state owned huge billionaire pound rich club in which he hasn't even had a pre season. 

 

Seriously the load on that boy at the moment must be massive. It's a huge adjustment! Imagine being bought for 45 millions pounds? It's mental. Willock took a good season to settle up here and he was the same age. 

 

Give the boy a break and let him make mistakes. He's not the finished article. Trust in Howe! He knows more about football that you do! 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Lish007

[Ikon]

I won’t write him off and he might very well come good next season. However I think it was the wrong signing at the time. We should have gone for someone that could come in more or less straight away. Especially when considering the money. To help us now, and not until next season.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Ikon

[AyeDubbleYoo]

23 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I won’t write him off and he might very well come good next season. However I think it was the wrong signing at the time. We should have gone for someone that could come in more or less straight away. Especially when considering the money. To help us now, and not until next season.

 

I’m not sure it works like that though. It wasn’t a choice between those two options. One player we liked became available, so we went for him. I’d like to think it wasn’t at the cost of another signing. 

[Kid Icarus]

Similar to the criticisms levelled at Willock earlier in the season and at Trippier's set plays re assists, I take much more issue with the players not finishing off the big chances when the assister has done their job.

 

By my reckoning Gordon should have at least 2 assists, both messed up by Wilson when he was out of form. Gordon's done nothing yet to make me think he should have done much more at this stage.

[Ikon]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m not sure it works like that though. It wasn’t a choice between those two options. One player we liked became available, so we went for him. I’d like to think it wasn’t at the cost of another signing. 

Fair enough. Personally I would have gone for a player with more proven end product. I’m sure we could have got that without it being too difficult. 

[Away Toon]

He's a winger who relies on speed, he doesn't have a trick and isn't a great dribbler. He's very poor man's Harvey Barnes who also beat's defenders with his pace but who has excellent stats for goals and assists. We could buy Barnes for less than Gordon today and well might if Leicester go down.