Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[huss9]

1 hour ago, Big Geordie said:

The FA and PL are making a complete and utter bollocks of this. Hitting the likes of Everton and Forest with points deductions, but refusing to sort out what Chelsea and Man City have done.

really hope forest and everton finish in the bottom 3 just for the shit to hit the EPL fan.

its ridiculous.

i'm hoping for more clubs getting points deductions.

actually - everyone other than the so called big 6. 

 

[Ben]

26 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Would an independent regulator help or hinder us does anyone know ?

If it goes the same way as Ofsted, Ofcom, Ofwat then so long as the big clubs pay for their christmas do nothing happen

[Rich]

16 minutes ago, gbandit said:

What’s happening with Everton’s second charge? Still awaiting a decision?

 

There might not be a decision until five days after the season ends, notwithstanding any appeal. Proper messy.

[Keegans Export]

39 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Would an independent regulator help or hinder us does anyone know ?

Being a (largely) political venture, they're less concerned about maintaining the status quo than the PL. The core objectives are basically;

 

1. Avoid clubs going bust

2. Ensuring only "fit and proper persons" control/own football clubs

3. Stop owners from changing club colours, moving stadiums etc without consideration of fans

4. Stop English teams from joining the ESL (or whatever equivalent)

 

Obviously, the current PSR are supposed to be about preventing #1 but we all know that isn't what they are really about. So perhaps this new regulator will take a more relaxed attitude towards owners who can bankroll clubs without plunging them into loads of debt? If you look HERE at Table 2 (between 4.9 and 4.10) it gives an example of potential licence conditions regarding "adequate financial and non-financial resources".

[Keegans Export]

2 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Being a (largely) political venture, they're less concerned about maintaining the status quo than the PL. The core objectives are basically;

 

1. Avoid clubs going bust

2. Ensuring only "fit and proper persons" control/own football clubs

3. Stop owners from changing club colours, moving stadiums etc without consideration of fans

4. Stop English teams from joining the ESL (or whatever equivalent)

 

Obviously, the current PSR are supposed to be about preventing #1 but we all know that isn't what they are really about. So perhaps this new regulator will take a more relaxed attitude towards owners who can bankroll clubs without plunging them into loads of debt? If you look HERE at Table 2 (between 4.9 and 4.10) it gives an example of potential licence conditions regarding "adequate financial and non-financial resources".

 

Quoting myself here to add that they actually call out the PL/EFL on what they refer to as "soft wage caps" caused by linking spending to turnover;

 

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They can also entrench the dominance of the richest clubs - there is a strong correlation between wage spend and league position,[footnote 17] and soft salary caps permit richer clubs to spend more, thereby increasing their chance of on-pitch success. As an indication, the Premier League club with the highest revenue in the 2020/21 season would have been able to spend over 5 times the amount on wages as the ‘poorest’ Premier League club

 

[Scoot]

12 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

 

Quoting myself here to add that they actually call out the PL/EFL on what they refer to as "soft wage caps" caused by linking spending to turnover;

 

 

 

Sounds quite promising to be honest.

[Dokko]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

It's Everton all over again.

 

There's no doubt they broke the rules through poor financial management.

 

Ultimately though, I have sympathy because all they were doing was spending capital available to them to become a more competitive club. PSR needs binning.

 

Nope. Its worse. They broke the rules through great financial management. They sold at a 50% increase 6 weeks later. Any other walk of life and that would be lauded.

[gbandit]

Anyone know when Spreadsheet Manager ‘25 is due to land?

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, gbandit said:

Anyone know when Spreadsheet Manager ‘25 is due to land?

 

End of the Financial year.

[Joe1984]

5 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Anyone know when Spreadsheet Manager ‘25 is due to land?

You joke, but it wouldn't suprise me at this point.

 

Think of all the dlc or different editions they could "make"! 🤣

[gbandit]

2 minutes ago, Joe1984 said:

You joke, but it wouldn't suprise me at this point.

 

Think of all the dlc or different editions they could "make"! 🤣

FFP edition was a bestseller but the wages versus turnover expansion won DLC of the year 

[Jack27]

https://x.com/nffc/status/1769770765363126420?s=46&t=qch8y64njTIa-YpWt4BfqA Relatively strong statement

[The Prophet]

Just making it up as they go along.

[The Prophet]

"The Commission's decision raises issues of concern for all aspirant clubs. The player transfer market is a highly specialised trading environment that cannot be compared to the sale of normal products and services. 

 

Of wider concern for all aspirant clubs is the disturbing effect this decision will have on the operation of the player trading model. This is the only model by which clubs outside of the small group at the very top end of the Premier League can realistically advance up the football pyramid. 

 

The rationale of the Commission is that clubs should only invest after they have realised a profit on their player development. This reasoning destroys mobility in the football pyramid and the effect of the decision will be to drastically reduce the room for manoeuvre for all such clubs, leading to the stagnation of our national game."

 

Woof.

[Keegans Export]

32 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

Sounds quite promising to be honest.

 

I'm leaning more and more towards the feeling that we think an independent regulator's attitude will be "If you've got the money you can spend it, just don't take the piss"

[Gaztoon]

Not long before it's big spend time guys 🤣

[Scoot]

36 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

"The Commission's decision raises issues of concern for all aspirant clubs. The player transfer market is a highly specialised trading environment that cannot be compared to the sale of normal products and services. 

 

Of wider concern for all aspirant clubs is the disturbing effect this decision will have on the operation of the player trading model. This is the only model by which clubs outside of the small group at the very top end of the Premier League can realistically advance up the football pyramid. 

 

The rationale of the Commission is that clubs should only invest after they have realised a profit on their player development. This reasoning destroys mobility in the football pyramid and the effect of the decision will be to drastically reduce the room for manoeuvre for all such clubs, leading to the stagnation of our national game."

 

Woof.

 

Is that from Forests statements?

[Dokko]

Forest owner doesn't seem the type of guy to go quietly and hopefully he'll come out swinging. 

 

This gets closer and closer to court challenges and the whole football world will feel the impact.

[FloydianMag]

2 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

Is that from Forests statements?

Yes

[Doctor Zaius]

The thing is, it's not just Everton and Forest is it. Leicester also had FFP issues which contributed to their relegation. Wolves were in trouble and we're one of the favourites for the drop this season - Lopetegui walked out before a ball was kicked. Aston Villa have recorded losses incompatible with PSR.

 

Any ambitious club that tries to challenge the 'big six' finds themselves in bother with PSR. Then further up the league, nobody can touch City. It's only through Klopp, one of the best managers the league has ever seen that City haven't won about 7 in a row or whatever it is.

 

Of course it suits most PL clubs as it makes it harder for smaller clubs to come up and establish themselves. Being on the PL gravy train trumps all for the likes of Palace and Brentford. 

 

The Premier League was built on a free market and you had more titles shared across clubs than any other major league. Financial restrictions based on income are no good for competition. La Liga is completely skewed towards Barca and Real in Spain and look how dull that is. PL fast becoming like the Bundesliga (save for this season), only even more dull with an established top 6 most seasons.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 18 by Doctor Zaius

[FloydianMag]

I’d bet the cartel clubs will be meeting regularly now in light of intended legislation of an IR. They will hate the thought of a regulator, hopefully with teeth, interfering in their little cosy club.

 

 

Edited March 18 by FloydianMag

[madras]

1 minute ago, FloydianMag said:

I’d bet the cartel clubs will be meeting regularly now in light of intended legislation of an IR. They will hate the thought of a regulator, hopefully with teeth, interfering in their cosy club.

Why do you think the points deductions have only came about since the mention of one ?

[The Prophet]

25 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

Is that from Forests statements?

 

[FloydianMag]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Why do you think the points deductions have only came about since the mention of one ?

Oh I agree……they fear an IR.

[Optimistic Nut]