Boey_Jarton Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 The social media reaction to the Man City story is very interesting. Every fan base is opining on the issue from the sole perspective of their club but under the guise that their opinion is driven by altruistic reasons. Man United and Liverpool fans passionately believe that FFP and APT rules are a fair means of ensuring teams only prosper through honest sporting success like they allegedly did. Newcastle fans passionately believe that FFP and APT is anti competitive. Here lies the problem. Trying to solve the issue of fairness is impossible because their is no common definition of fairness that all clubs will agree on. All clubs (and fans) view fairness though their particular lens. On this basis, I think that the least worst solution is to either (1) Scrap FFP entirely, or (2) Introduce rules capping amortisation and wages on a rolling 3/5 year basis such that a fixed cap equally applies to all clubs. Both solutions are not perfect, but the world is not perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Boey_Jarton said: The social media reaction to the Man City story is very interesting. Every fan base is opining on the issue from the sole perspective of their club but under the guise that their opinion is driven by altruistic reasons. Man United and Liverpool fans passionately believe that FFP and APT rules are a fair means of ensuring teams only prosper through honest sporting success like they allegedly did. Newcastle fans passionately believe that FFP and APT is anti competitive. Here lies the problem. Trying to solve the issue of fairness is impossible because their is no common definition of fairness that all clubs will agree on. All clubs (and fans) view fairness though their particular lens. On this basis, I think that the least worst solution is to either (1) Scrap FFP entirely, or (2) Introduce rules capping amortisation and wages on a rolling 3/5 year basis such that a fixed cap equally applies to all clubs. Both solutions are not perfect, but the world is not perfect. Altruism doesn’t exist in football, only self interest! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: I'd sooner there be some sort of spending cap rather than basing it on losses. If a club's owner has the money and there's some sort of proof of funds that can be shown, then do it. Take the oil state clubs out of the equation, but why should clubs like Villa or even Bournemouth be held back just because they don't have the stadium or commercial revenue of the bigger clubs? Bournemouth shouldn't have to be thinking over the next year that they'll have to sell Solanke if they want to buy new players to push on. A club like Wycombe Wanderers who've just been taken over by some billionaire for example should at least be able to dream of going all the way to the top even if that's not what the intention of the new owner is. The whole point of FFP was trying to stop clubs spending money they don't have not the money they do have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, duo said: The whole point of FFP was trying to stop clubs spending money they don't have not the money they do have. Now it stops clubs spending that do have, us, and allows clubs to spend that don’t have (Manure debt ridden). Don’t figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boey_Jarton Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, duo said: The whole point of FFP was trying to stop clubs spending money they don't have not the money they do have. At this stage I think everyone has forgot about what the rules are actually trying to achieve? Is it fairness? Or is it sustainability? If it is the latter, the current rules are completely flawed, because a club could put £1 Billion into a ring fenced escrow to secure the clubs future for the next decade, but they still might be forced to sell a bright young talent to a rival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 SSN sticking the boot in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Crikey that's impressive we must have all pressed send at the same time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 So nearly a third of the league. That's healthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 What a mess man. Zero investment for fourteen years while the club had everything stripped away including its soul. Spend cash for 2-3 years whilst doing it in a sustainable way that doesn’t endanger the club. Fuck this shit into the sun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Wonder what one month of Adidas/general merchandise sales will get us in June, may need to shift a few keyrings in SA.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Hope city bring the whole thing crashing down and we can spend what we want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Hope city bring the whole thing crashing down and we can spend what we want. Still refuse to believe its only now Chelsea have breached mind. NOt entirely convinced we have either as you would have thought commercial deals would be rushed in ie training gear sponsor thats coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Hope city bring the whole thing crashing down and we can spend what we want. Nah that wouldn’t be great for football. Allowing us and everyone else in the same division to spend as much as the the team with the biggest limit however is all the rules have to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, Fezzle said: Still refuse to believe its only now Chelsea have breached mind. NOt entirely convinced we have either as you would have thought commercial deals would be rushed in ie training gear sponsor thats coming. I’d have also imagined the whole point of the Australian post season matches was to avoid this scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: I’d have also imagined the whole point of the Australian post season matches was to avoid this scenario. Yeah, i mean if its a serious amount then we would have addressed this in the summer and/or winter not just left it. Also if we were so far off meeting the target we may as well have done business in January and went all out for Europe if we would get done for 4 points or whatever anyway Edited June 6 by Fezzle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 We must be sailing close at least. If we’re in the clear then SSN clearly want us to sell our best players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Not sure how we'd have gotten into that position. Maybe banking on a higher league finish? That's if it's even true. Whatever, you'd think it can't be over by much. So either sell a fringe player or two, or challenge the ruling endlessly, dispute any points deduction to get it reduced, which surely won't be that much in the first place, and then start on minus a couple of points along with a third of the league, rather than sell anyone we don't want to. Failing that, hope Man City win their case, and announce a bumper shoelace sponsor on June 30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Would this being voted through next week affect anything for the June deadline ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 The people governing the game have successfully managed to make the off pitch stuff impact the on pitch stuff rather than the other way round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Would this being voted through next week affect anything for the June deadline ? Not a chance this version passes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 There is no way this situation will continue.... I don't think any fucker is happy with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, STM said: There is no way this situation will continue.... I don't think any fucker is happy with it. Eh? Arsenal spurs Liverpool Brighton and a few others are absolutely loving life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Would this being voted through next week affect anything for the June deadline ? Would the increase only be for those in Europe (which was the Palace proposal wasn't it ?) ? It is ridiculous that the limit has stayed the same not even taking inflation into account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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