Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[The Prophet]

[Nucasol]

16 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Just a casual: “Throw in £350m of asset sales and the women’s team and they have nothing to worry about in PSR terms”. 
 

So if they hadn’t used their bent loopholes they’d be fucked?

[r0cafella]

57 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Just a casual: “Throw in £350m of asset sales and the women’s team and they have nothing to worry about in PSR terms”. 
 

So if they hadn’t used their bent loopholes they’d be fucked?

They would be aye, silly to post this from Maguire as the incoming chart is obviously much higher and it doesn't account for salaries. 

[Heron]

Mind...Man United look like they have maybe one last roll of the dice before they drop.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Come and play for us we’re progressive, professional, perfect manager to progress your career

 

nah ya alreet mate I’ve a 7 year contact to sit on Chelsea’s bench 

 

honestly man fro

 

Moneyball 

[Wolfcastle]

4 hours ago, The Prophet said:

Its not like its a great skill or something anybody can deploy. Its a result of being allowed generations of massive investment as the 2nd club there backs up.

Seems like a solid financial plan. Allow massive investment for a few years that allow a club to create new revenue streams to expand their horizons and live within their means. Rather than something to forbid at all cost.

[TheBrownBottle]

Maguire has a point, of course - you do actually have to be a good seller as well as a good buyer.

 

Chelsea and Man City’s sales have mostly come from spunking fortunes on as many good young players as possible and flipping them for profit - and PSR loves that approach.  Other than Minteh, we’ve not been good at selling players (including older ones at ‘peak value’).  You don’t get to where our owners claim they want to get to by buying players who you intend to keep forever - you buy them with an eye on a sale later. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Heron said:

Mind...Man United look like they have maybe one last roll of the dice before they drop.

Despite their size, I think they are in a bit of trouble with all of this now.  Their has been mostly fucking dreadful - they can’t keep that going forever 

[Poon Raccoon]

Again, why can’t teams challenge this in court ?

 

i know there is a rule saying teams can’t take legal action against the PL, so in that context are we saying that PL rules trump actual law ?

 

Surely not.

[Abacus]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Maguire has a point, of course - you do actually have to be a good seller as well as a good buyer.

 

Chelsea and Man City’s sales have mostly come from spunking fortunes on as many good young players as possible and flipping them for profit - and PSR loves that approach.  Other than Minteh, we’ve not been good at selling players (including older ones at ‘peak value’).  You don’t get to where our owners claim they want to get to by buying players who you intend to keep forever - you buy them with an eye on a sale later. 

 

Which is, and I know you know this, another legacy for us of having been run on a shoestring for so long and having few saleable assets when PIF came in. 

[Bondedcrown]

3 minutes ago, Abacus said:

 

Which is, and I know you know this, another legacy for us of having been run on a shoestring for so long and having few saleable assets when PIF came in. 

Doesn't take into account the spoilt brat element who think they know everything and we should follow their Champ manager template coz it's really that easy don't you know!

[SteV]

Today’s the day we should know if Villa have gone down the ‘sell your women’s team to yourself’ route.
 

They don’t sell anyone today, and it looks pretty likely that’s what they’ve done.

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, SteV said:

Today’s the day we should know if Villa have gone down the ‘sell your women’s team to yourself’ route.
 

They don’t sell anyone today, and it looks pretty likely that’s what they’ve done.

They aren't selling anyone, not at this deadline anyways. 

 

As I've been saying PSR is severely weakened and it's Chelsea who are responsible. Writings been on the wall since those academy swaps. 

[Whitley mag]

12 minutes ago, SteV said:

Today’s the day we should know if Villa have gone down the ‘sell your women’s team to yourself’ route.
 

They don’t sell anyone today, and it looks pretty likely that’s what they’ve done.

If it means where not giving them 30 million for Jacob Ramsey they can crack on for me.

[gbandit]

They may as well tear PSR to shreds and start again but it’s still serving a purpose of letting other clubs do what they want while we shit on our hands so it’s got some life in it yet

[The College Dropout]

Be surprised if they were going to sell anyone. There would’ve been stronger rumours by now - no?

 

But aye today will confirm it. 
 

Be interesting to know the shape of the sale.  There were rumours the women’s team would be sold over 3 years.  Might take weeks for that to come out. 
 

Assuming nobody will be sold. That would also mean nobody would need to be sold before June 2026 too - at the worst.  Overall I’ve been impressed with how Villa have been able to navigate FFP/PSR.  

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by The College Dropout

[Sibierski]

19 hours ago, HawK said:

Obvious answer to most of this is we're not a vanity project but just an investment 

Which I’d prefer personally, as it’s all about growing over time. The Saudi World Cup isn’t till 2034, and PIF probably have an aim for us to be challenging for the major honours in the lead up to that. Which considering that’s 9 years away, is plenty of time giving the trajectory we’re on.

 

Keep Howe, sign the right players, grow revenues and we’ll be there eventually. All about the journey, be more enjoyable and a wholesome experience when we eventually get there.

[r0cafella]

Just now, gbandit said:

They may as well tear PSR to shreds and start again but it’s still serving a purpose of letting other clubs do what they want while we shit on our hands so it’s got some life in it yet

They are trying they can't

 

They used to do things by consensus and they've totally given up on doing things that way, it's just the cartel clubs plus the gravy train riders. 

[Sibierski]

I don’t even think Villa are breaking PSR? Thought it’s more very close and they can’t make any signings or new contracts to squeeze past. 
 

Still will need sales (or sell Women’s team) to enable some spending power this summer, but I don’t think they’re in a situation like we was last summer.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Be surprised if they were going to sell anyone. There would’ve been stronger rumours by now - no?

 

But aye today will confirm it. 
 

Be interesting to know the shape of the sale.  There were rumours the women’s team would be sold over 3 years.  
 

Assuming nobody will be sold. That would also mean nobody would need to be sold before June 2026 too - at the worst.  Overall I’ve been impressed with how Villa have been able to navigate FFP/PSR.  

Selling pieces at a time is a very smart way to do it. If you believe the loophole won't get closed and your not in need of massive money. 

 

The ownership of the women's team essentially becomes an overdraft facility (in financial terms). 

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, gbandit said:

They may as well tear PSR to shreds and start again but it’s still serving a purpose of letting other clubs do what they want while we shit on our hands so it’s got some life in it yet

We need a combative CEO don’t think PIF are devoting much time, or thought to this if I’m honest beyond just complying with current rules.

 

Feel this CEO appointment is crucial for future direction.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Whitley mag

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

They are trying they can't

 

They used to do things by consensus and they've totally given up on doing things that way, it's just the cartel clubs plus the gravy train riders. 

That is the consensus. 
 

 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Sibierski said:

I don’t even think Villa are breaking PSR? Thought it’s more very close and they can’t make any signings or new contracts to squeeze past. 
 

Still will need sales (or sell Women’s team) to enable some spending power this summer, but I don’t think they’re in a situation like we was last summer.

The rumour is they would fall foul of PSR if not for the sale.  
 

You would assume any sale would give them PSR cover and a bit of financial headroom.  
 

Even excluding the loan players - Villa have a deep squad.  They might want to trade to fill in a few gaps but I was hoping not qualifying for the CL would make them significantly weaker like it did us.   

[Sibierski]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

The rumour is they would fall foul of PSR if not for the sale.  
 

You would assume any sale would give them PSR cover and a bit of financial headroom.  
 

Even excluding the loan players - Villa have a deep squad.  They might want to trade to fill in a few gaps but I was hoping not qualifying for the CL would make them significantly weaker like it did us.   

Still will. Giving their business in Jan, they’re happy to gamble. So will probably gamble hard they can get top 4 (5) and play with fire. 
 

Selling women’s team is short term especially when their commercial revenue isn’t massive.

[SteV]

12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Be surprised if they were going to sell anyone. There would’ve been stronger rumours by now - no?

 

But aye today will confirm it. 
 

Be interesting to know the shape of the sale.  There were rumours the women’s team would be sold over 3 years.  Might take weeks for that to come out. 
 

Assuming nobody will be sold. That would also mean nobody would need to be sold before June 2026 too - at the worst.  Overall I’ve been impressed with how Villa have been able to navigate FFP/PSR.  

 

 

 

Were there particularly strong rumours about Anderson and Minteh before we sold them?

 

Can’t really remember tbh, and all the journos now report that it was ‘well known’ we had to sell to meet the deadline, but I don’t really recall there being a sense of panic on here or elsewhere in the days leading up to it?