Jackie Broon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Guessing this means the prem won the last round then. Probably more that it isn't within the remit of the existing arbitration case to determine the lawfulness of the amended rules. If the prem had actually won on that point there would be nothing to arbitrate against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 If its this messy and complicated its probably this messy and complicated for a reason - that its not supposed to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: What the tweet above appears to be speculating is that the panel have said that any changes the PL have made to the rules after the hearing (ie the ones that got voted through at the end of last year) are beyond their remit, therefore another hearing is needed to determine whether the amended rules are valid or not. Good post. If the Panel rules that the last hearing deemed the APT laws unlawful though, it'll negate the need for this second hearing. Edited February 7 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Fun reading the Reddit threat. Loads and loads of Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs fans crying. Wonder why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Good post. If the Panel rules that the last hearing deemed the APT unlawful though, it'll negate the need for this second hearing. I don't think so, this is clearly to deal with the question of whether the amendments to the rules are sufficient to address what the previous tribunal found made them unlawful. One interesting point from the PL's letter is "Manchester City FC seeks a declaration that the amendments approved by clubs in November (and therefore the current APT rules in force) are unlawful and void." That suggests that it has now been established that the previous APT rules were void, which is not something that the PL accepted before. Edited February 7 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Haven't they referred back to the panel for clarification on that matter though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Haven't they referred back to the panel for clarification on that matter though? Yes, which suggests that they have a final ruling which has found that the APT rules were void. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I’m not holding my breath on this. From that article the main bone of contention is whether owner loans from before November should be considered in hindsight in the affected clubs’ PSR calculation, which may lead to Everton getting a points deduction and Arsenal getting a slap on the wrist if we’re lucky. None of which will benefit us in any way, shape or form. After previously being hopeful I’m now resigned to these rules being here to stay. Our club will have to continue to outperform some of the “big six” for a while longer until third parties will see us as on par with them as a commercial association. I have faith in Howe and the owners to do just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, David Edgar said: Fun reading the Reddit threat. Loads and loads of Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs fans crying. Wonder why? Link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, TheHoob said: PL eating itself pt.2365 And it's all to spite, control and knobble Newcastle United who are actually fine to play by the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy74 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Surely PIF have something up their sleeve man. They aren't going to put a billion and a half into a new stadium + training ground and get bullied by the cartel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 With clubs having to sign sponsorship deals and transfer deals with related parties at below market value, it makes absolute sense that related parties and shareholder loans should only be offered at rates worse than the market value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likelylad Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The most pathetic part of this whole situation is that it’s all designed to try and protect the status quo and number of certain clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, David Edgar said: Fun reading the Reddit threat. Loads and loads of Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs fans crying. Wonder why? All of them calling for Man City to be thrown out the league for not liking the rules, all of them supporting clubs who lead the breakaway of the Premier League from the Football League, then tried to break from the Premier League to create the ESL because they didn’t like the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Unbelievable said: I’m not holding my breath on this. From that article the main bone of contention is whether owner loans from before November should be considered in hindsight in the affected clubs’ PSR calculation, which may lead to Everton getting a points deduction and Arsenal getting a slap on the wrist if we’re lucky. None of which will benefit us in any way, shape or form. After previously being hopeful I’m now resigned to these rules being here to stay. Our club will have to continue to outperform some of the “big six” for a while longer until third parties will see us as on par with them as a commercial association. I have faith in Howe and the owners to do just that. Everton seeing an uptick in form this season bit getting a points deduction that sends them down would be funny mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, FloydianMag said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: An indication that City are quietly confident they’ll be ok in the 115 hearing re breaches of FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) I'm repeating myself mainly because I can't think of another way to put it. Even though we specifically stand to potentially benefit, from a football fan's perspective all of this is the Alien vs Predator tagline for me - whoever wins, we lose. Edited February 9 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, FloydianMag said: An indication that City are quietly confident they’ll be ok in the 115 hearing re breaches of FFP. I get that he is speculating from a place of knowledge, but if anyone else had posted speculative inferences like that he'd be the first to say they were reading too much into it and that no one really knows what the outcome will be. Edited February 9 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I think we knew nothing would come of it - it's the best result for the PL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Etihad being floated = Man City winning against the charges is a stretch which Reed Richard would be proud of - what complete and utter bollocks It could just as well be argued that Man City going after the PL on the APT regs shows nervousness about the impending case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Etihad being floated = Man City winning against the charges is a stretch which Reed Richard would be proud of - what complete and utter bollocks It could just as well be argued that Man City going after the PL on the APT regs shows nervousness about the impending case. Based on the sum total of fuck all City will be found guilty of minor breaches and indiscretions, heavy fines imposed at the most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 This all painfully avoidable with an obvious way forward but the so called "top 6" would rather strangle the league and competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 49 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Based on the sum total of fuck all City will be found guilty of minor breaches and indiscretions, heavy fines imposed at the most. I suspect you’re right - more for the PL to avoid the problem of what to do about it. They’d have to find some testicles. The problem with the PL from the off was that the league’s management wasn’t independent of the clubs - it isn’t administered from Lancaster Gate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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