Match Atmosphere

[Hovagod]

4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It’s worth remembering that (I think) your ticket opens any turnstile and you can freely walk around the whole ground once you’re in.

Tried that yesterday. It doesn’t. 

[mighty__mag]

It's a bit pathetic to blame day trippers or fans from far and wide, there's 31k in ST holders, them alone can make enough noise, they obviously choose not to bother.

It could possibly be the cost of living for some, perhaps they're not as merry before kick off due to the ridiculous prices in alcohol and food these days, we're not all students spunking money away with no bills or mortgages, slipping our parent/s 25 quid a week.

 

It's a daft argument, nobody can really dictate how people need to represent themselves while watching the game. Understandable they've got to cater for all, elderly, young, families, standing singing sections, and somewhere in between.

 

I do however agree, for those that want to locate themselves where they're more comfortable or happy, be it shouting and swearing, or just calm and relaxed enjoying watching how they wish to, then the choice of picking your seat with the previous ticketing system was far superior.

 

 

Also, do we not need to blame NUST for the bullshit ballot thing? Wasn't it them who suggested it because fans were kicking off about not being able to log-on to the box office at 10am because they weren't allowed to use phones during work or some utterly shite reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by mighty__mag

[Guest]

Last paragraph isn't an utterly shite reason.

[mighty__mag]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Last paragraph isn't an utterly shite reason.

 

What are you getting at?

[Hovagod]

10 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

What are you getting at?

I imagine he’s pointing out that some people are unable to get online at that time, and it’s not an ’utterly shite’ reason to change it.

[Conjo]

1 hour ago, mighty__mag said:

It's a bit pathetic to blame day trippers or fans from far and wide, there's 31k in ST holders, them alone can make enough noise, they obviously choose not to bother.

It could possibly be the cost of living for some, perhaps they're not as merry before kick off due to the ridiculous prices in alcohol and food these days, we're not all students spunking money away with no bills or mortgages, slipping our parent/s 25 quid a week.

 

It's a daft argument, nobody can really dictate how people need to represent themselves while watching the game. Understandable they've got to cater for all, elderly, young, families, standing singing sections, and somewhere in between.

 

I do however agree, for those that want to locate themselves where they're more comfortable or happy, be it shouting and swearing, or just calm and relaxed enjoying watching how they wish to, then the choice of picking your seat with the previous ticketing system was far superior.

 

 

Also, do we not need to blame NUST for the bullshit ballot thing? Wasn't it them who suggested it because fans were kicking off about not being able to log-on to the box office at 10am because they weren't allowed to use phones during work or some utterly shite reason.

 

Ah yes, the famously care free, frivolous spending, rich demographic of students. Fucking hate those privileged cock suckers.

[Stifler]

I agree you can’t blame tourists our day trippers when you have an estimated 35k season ticket holders who are telling us they are forever loyal, and dedicated to supporting the team.

 

It’s idiotic to blame the ballot though. As I say, it was shit having a ballot at 10am on weekdays when the only people who could access it were people who either work from home, or work at a computer.

It needed changing, that’s all NUST fed back, and rightly so.

 

In terms of tickets, we are never going to have a situation that suits everyone until SJP has been expanded. It’s that simple.

 

We also need to get off the gate from certain season ticket holders vs non-season ticket holders. We all love our club, we have all supported our club, and in the Ashley years both sides made difficult decisions to continue or not, no one should be chastised for the decision they made.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Stifler

[SteV]

6 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

 

 

Also, do we not need to blame NUST for the bullshit ballot thing? Wasn't it them who suggested it because fans were kicking off about not being able to log-on to the box office at 10am because they weren't allowed to use phones during work or some utterly shite reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, but they get blamed for everything anyway, so probably just add it to the list.

[Groundhog63]

The atmosphere, or lack of, has little to do with "tourists" or "jonney-come-lateley" bunch. This is just thrown around by the people disenfranchised from their old route of getting ticket with an axe to grind about that circumstance.

Was fine getting tickets from Simon or Keith, back in the day, when it suited etc etc but the club's taking more responsibility for away attendees, it seems.

 

What people need to accept, because it's true, is that we're no big shakes in the volume/support stakes. We are when it's going great and definitely better than most grounds but I sat in there for years and, for the most part, it was a fucking morgue. Last two years, not so much. Go figure.

Since the ballot system, not without it's many issues, there's been some terrific atmospheres. Zero credit given to any newbies but when it's quieter it's all on them. Funny how that grafts.

[mighty__mag]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

 

It’s idiotic to blame the ballot though. As I say, it was shit having a ballot at 10am on weekdays when the only people who could access it were people who either work from home, or work at a computer.

It needed changing, that’s all NUST fed back, and rightly so.

 

In terms of tickets, we are never going to have a situation that suits everyone until SJP has been expanded. It’s that simple.

 

 

It wasn't a ballot weekdays, A first come first serve, why do you think its only people who work at a computer or work at home that could  access it?

 

I didn't work at a desk, or from home, I had a phone like literally everyone and left the browser open waiting for the time to access the seating, it really wasn't that tough, and once through took less than 5 minutes.

 

But like you say in the latter bit, it's not easy to please all, I personally liked the older process.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by mighty__mag

[TheGuv]

5 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

It wasn't a ballot weekdays, A first come first serve, why do you think its only people who work at a computer or work at home that could  access it?

 

I didn't work at a desk, or from home, I had a phone like literally everyone and left the browser open waiting for the time to access the seating, it really wasn't that tough, and once through took less than 5 minutes.

 

But like you say in the latter bit, it's not easy to please all, I personally liked the older process.

 

 

 

 

 

There was 4 of us as linked members. One of the lads works as a manager on a building site. Very rarely able to use his phone - but would every week at 10am. He’d rarely be first in the queue out of the four of us, but we did it together as a team ??

[AyeDubbleYoo]

13 hours ago, Bellis80 said:

What time are you getting there? We walk up by the East stand and the Gallowgate corner and all of the East Stand and Leazes corner are massive queues.

 

East Stand always used to have a bit of a queue but never used to be a queue Leazes corner. Is now though and it’s getting worse every week rather than better.

 

Usually get there about 30 minutes before KO, haven't really had any problems. 

[mighty__mag]

9 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

There was 4 of us as linked members. One of the lads works as a manager on a building site. Very rarely able to use his phone - but would every week at 10am. He’d rarely be first in the queue out of the four of us, but we did it together as a team ??

 

Understand, and obviously lorry drivers on the motorway couldn't do it.

 

Thing is like you point out someone else could do it for you though, my other half did mine plenty of times, as long as we were roughly in the area we wanted, and we had seats together, it was never an issue.

 

It's a boring debate though, because some lover of the current system will come along moaning, so you can't win, it's what circumstances suited individuals. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by mighty__mag

[Stifler]

8 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

It wasn't a ballot weekdays, A first come first serve, why do you think its only people who work at a computer or work at home that could  access it?

 

I didn't work at a desk, or from home, I had a phone like literally everyone and left the browser open waiting for the time to access the seating, it really wasn't that tough, and once through took less than 5 minutes.

 

But like you say in the latter bit, it's not easy to please all, I personally liked the older process.

 

Simple. I don’t work in an office, I can’t use a phone at work most of the time. I get breaks or times when I can, but I don’t control when they occur.

 

In my last job (retail) there was no chance of being able to sit on an online queue.

 

It worked for you, well fucking done. It didn’t work for many other people though, and it’s not your place to dismiss that.

[mighty__mag]

11 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Simple. I don’t work in an office, I can’t use a phone at work most of the time. I get breaks or times when I can, but I don’t control when they occur.

 

In my last job (retail) there was no chance of being able to sit on an online queue.

 

It worked for you, well fucking done. It didn’t work for many other people though, and it’s not your place to dismiss that.  fucking hell 

 

That never happened, the browser stayed open, the only time you were physically needing to be on it was to choose seats and pay, 5 mins max. 

 

But I've mentioned, it's monotonous going over it, I get people have managers that were dinosaurs or worked in sports direct, personally I'd have gone for an extremely long toilet break, 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by mighty__mag

[Stifler]

1 minute ago, mighty__mag said:

 

That never happened, the browser stayed open, the only time you were physically needing to be on it was to choose seats and pay, 5 mins max. 

 

But I've mentioned, it's monotonous going over it, I get people have managers that were dinosaurs or worked in sports direct, personally I'd have gone for an extremely long toilet break, 

We all saw how long the queue system was, and how accurate the estimated time was.

 

Enough people said that they couldn’t get tickets because of it for them to change it.

 

Why are season ticket holders kicking off about it in anyway? They already have theirs, and they get priory on cup games.

[Wandy]

2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

The atmosphere, or lack of, has little to do with "tourists" or "jonney-come-lateley" bunch. This is just thrown around by the people disenfranchised from their old route of getting ticket with an axe to grind about that circumstance.

Was fine getting tickets from Simon or Keith, back in the day, when it suited etc etc but the club's taking more responsibility for away attendees, it seems.

 

What people need to accept, because it's true, is that we're no big shakes in the volume/support stakes. We are when it's going great and definitely better than most grounds but I sat in there for years and, for the most part, it was a fucking morgue. Last two years, not so much. Go figure.

Since the ballot system, not without it's many issues, there's been some terrific atmospheres. Zero credit given to any newbies but when it's quieter it's all on them. Funny how that grafts.

 

This is utter bollocks. I've no idea why you feel the constant need to piss all over NUFC's support of old but the simple fact is, until the later Ashley years, the support generally speaking was far better than it is now. There's no way a SJP crowd of 10 years ago would be sitting relatively quiet after just giving Chelsea a thumping. And there definitely would not have been loads of Chelsea fans in the home end either. That's what your much-loved ballot has done though.

 

If the problem with the old system was the timing, then they just needed to make the queuing system open on an evening slot, rather than the morning.

 

But if they really want to persist with the ballot, then they need to bring back the ability to choose your own seating area. And find a way to stop away fans getting tickets.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Wandy

[TBG]

What I want to know is, just how lucky are these away fans.

 

I'm 1/9 when it comes to the ballot. Wish I had their luck to be 1/1. 

 

Would make picking games much easier. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by TBG

[SteV]

13 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

This is utter bollocks. I've no idea why you feel the constant need to piss all over NUFC's support of old but the simple fact is, until the later Ashley years, the support generally speaking was far better than it is now. There's no way a SJP crowd of 10 years ago would be sitting relatively quiet after just giving Chelsea a thumping. And there definitely would not have been loads of Chelsea fans in the home end either. That's what your much-loved ballot has done though.

 

If the problem was with the old system was the timing, then they just needed to make the queuing system open on an evening slot, rather than the morning.

 

But if they really want to persist with the ballot, then they need to bring back the ability to choose your own seating area. And find a way to stop away fans getting tickets.

But the old system is just a de-facto ballot, albeit with significant advantage to those who are somewhat IT-savvy?

 

I think people would find it a lot more frustrating than they did last season given the apparent massive increase in member numbers, which would result in it becoming a lot more difficult to get a decent queue number (IT-related advantages not withstanding).

[Yorkie]

10 minutes ago, TBG said:

What I want to know is, just how lucky are these away fans.

 

I'm 1/9 when it comes to the ballot. Wish I had their luck to be 1/1. 

 

Would make picking games much easier. 

 

I'll never forgive myself if I've allowed myself to be whooshed by TBG, but I don't think away fans are entering the members' ballot (they're, presumably, buying them off members/touts)...

[Wandy]

33 minutes ago, SteV said:

But the old system is just a de-facto ballot, albeit with significant advantage to those who are somewhat IT-savvy?

 

I think people would find it a lot more frustrating than they did last season given the apparent massive increase in member numbers, which would result in it becoming a lot more difficult to get a decent queue number (IT-related advantages not withstanding).

 

The old system was akin to a scrum, with some people being able to jostle to the front of the queue. This current system is just a lucky dip raffle.

 

I hate to say it, but there does need to be an element of difficulty to getting a ticket, and by that I mean that you need to put actual work into getting one. It's the only way of having a better chance of filling the stadium with people who really, really want to be there.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Wandy

[NUFC91]

13 hours ago, Greg said:

Agreed. Survey out to members today, goes wider in 48 hours. Then to club. 

 

Can you post the link in here Greg so we can all submit

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Wandy said:

 

This is utter bollocks. I've no idea why you feel the constant need to piss all over NUFC's support of old but the simple fact is, until the later Ashley years, the support generally speaking was far better than it is now. There's no way a SJP crowd of 10 years ago would be sitting relatively quiet after just giving Chelsea a thumping. And there definitely would not have been loads of Chelsea fans in the home end either. That's what your much-loved ballot has done though.

 

If the problem was with the old system was the timing, then they just needed to make the queuing system open on an evening slot, rather than the morning.

 

But if they really want to persist with the ballot, then they need to bring back the ability to choose your own seating area. And find a way to stop away fans getting tickets.

Unsurprisingly you totally and deliberately miss represent what I posted. 

I've been going since the 70s. Some great crack as and when. Certainly things, right across the board, were different then, like pubs shutting in the afternoon. 

Goes without saying the Keegan eras were immense, as was the atmosphere, but we were winning regularly as well. So there is that. 

You lot spent the entire Ashley years sat on your hands. I know, I was there. 

Was absolutely silent. 

 

You keep plugging away tho sunshine. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Groundhog63

[SteV]

Just now, Wandy said:

 

The old system was akin to a scrum, with some people being able to jostle to the front of the queue. This current system is just a lucky dip raffle.

 

I hate to say it, but there does need to be an element of difficulty to getting a ticket, and by that I mean that you need to put actual work into getting one. It's the only way of having a better chance of filling the stadium who really, really want to be there.

That last bit is nub of the problem when demand vastly outstrips supply.

 

I don’t necessarily disagree with the point, but I think we have to recognise it’s a very fine line for the club to tread on this particular subject. 
 

Maybe they’ve gone a bit too far one way in making it absolutely random as to which members get tickets, but they were getting pelters last season (probably a bit unfairly) about it being a ‘closed shop’, so they can’t win.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Wandy said:

 

This is utter bollocks. I've no idea why you feel the constant need to piss all over NUFC's support of old but the simple fact is, until the later Ashley years, the support generally speaking was far better than it is now. There's no way a SJP crowd of 10 years ago would be sitting relatively quiet after just giving Chelsea a thumping. And there definitely would not have been loads of Chelsea fans in the home end either. That's what your much-loved ballot has done though.

 

If the problem with the old system was the timing, then they just needed to make the queuing system open on an evening slot, rather than the morning.

 

But if they really want to persist with the ballot, then they need to bring back the ability to choose your own seating area. And find a way to stop away fans getting tickets.

 

 

 

 

There's around 35k season ticket holders who are there every single week. That's plenty to make a consistently good atmosphere. "Daytrippers", "tourists" etc shouldn't be blamed. A lot of the 35k there are the same who sat on their arses during the Ashley era accepting everything he provided for us. Maybe look at that area rather than those trying to get back in who boycotted.