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2 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Can they bin Hey Jude next.

 

So cringe worthy now.

 

All it needs is O Fortuna whilst in the tunnel and then entering the field. Let them have their shite premier league tune and then kick it into going home (local hero) as they run off to respective halves. 

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On 17/12/2025 at 12:51, Wallsendmag said:

 

No the problem is that they haven't been replaced by likeminded people in this day and age.

How can you replace them? Set age limits? Fans who have done the hard yards eventually age. Probably the reason we are at a certain point at every ground home and away since the introduction of the Premiership/PremierLeague and the rebirth of attending football. Kids then are now in their 40/50/60’s.

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1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

You get a great perspective of the problem right at the back of the Gallowgate. All those motionless dummies sat below you in the middle tier all the way round to the NW corner, then it seems to pick up down at the front and then you have the corner who try their best.

 

They do sometimes clap like they're at the fucking theatre tbf.

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imo the only way to do it is to make it something that older fans no longer want to be part of.  I would say you can get part way there by binning off the cosy familiar DJ and his terrible patter and tunes, by stopping policing people standing and by telling stewards to deal with complaints of bad language or aggressive behaviour more leniently.  Nobody is going to do these things in 2025 though, unfortunately.  Older fans as a whole are quiet but lucrative.

 

 

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Imagine if we scrapped season tickets for one game and made everyone who wanted to go to that match queue up old school style for tickets. It would be fascinating to see what the atmosphere would be like. I reckon at least 50% of current season tickets holders wouldn't bother. 

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3 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

Imagine if we scrapped season tickets for one game and made everyone who wanted to go to that match queue up old school style for tickets. It would be fascinating to see what the atmosphere would be like. I reckon at least 50% of current season tickets holders wouldn't bother. 

May as well close the bogs and have people piss on the bloke in fronts leg, see who REALLY wants to go.

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39 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

Imagine if we scrapped season tickets for one game and made everyone who wanted to go to that match queue up old school style for tickets. It would be fascinating to see what the atmosphere would be like. I reckon at least 50% of current season tickets holders wouldn't bother. 

 

Maybe the answer is you are just allocated a block not an seat and its first come first served. Problem is those spending the money on the concourse won’t be rewarded.

 

No easy answer.

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Gallowgate middle tier is probably your back bone of ageing season ticket holders who can’t be arsed to create an atmosphere these days and just go to get away from the Mrs on a weekend.

 

If the club said they were making the Gallowgate all standing next season there would be hell on from them. Dave from Gosforth and Tina from Wideopen would be in the Chronicle saying what an outrage it is, they’ve had those seats since the 90’s and can no longer stand for 90 mins due to gout.

 

As a previous poster has said all the big clubs have a stand where everyone stands for the big games. The Kop must have loads of ageing scousers on it and somehow by a miracle they manage to stand and sing.

 

It’s a culture thing and bar a hardcore of maybe 20k, I think most of our lot go for the social aspect and just to say they’ve gone to the match.

 

Any terrace/fan culture with us probably went in the 90’s at SJP and it’s now very soulless, bar the brief period of level 7 corner.

 

A lot of these tourists come to experience an atmosphere and the club need to be very careful, the match day experience is very poor and becoming a real turn off in terms of attending future matches.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LFEE said:

How can you replace them? Set age limits? Fans who have done the hard yards eventually age. Probably the reason we are at a certain point at every ground home and away since the introduction of the Premiership/PremierLeague and the rebirth of attending football. Kids then are now in their 40/50/60’s.

 

You can't replace them which is the problem. In years gone by they replaced themselves by migrating to other parts of the ground. 

 

In my dad's time as a youngster the younger, daftest lads would generally congregate in the old Leazes End (in the 60s and early 70s), then they might move over to the Gallowgate which was a bit calmer, then maybe the Popular side or the West Stand Paddocks and then maybe the West Stand itself. It meant you always had like minded people of similar ages grouped together.

 

Even in my Youth in the 80s and 90s you had the Corner and the Scoreboard. Then as people got older they'd move along to the Gallowgate L Section and then along to the M section or The Old Mans corner as it was called back then. After that they'd likely end up in either the East or Milburn Stand or paddocks. You never had 1000s of people of OAP age stood behind the goals. It just didn't happen.

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25 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Gallowgate middle tier is probably your back bone of ageing season ticket holders who can’t be arsed to create an atmosphere these days and just go to get away from the Mrs on a weekend.

 

If the club said they were making the Gallowgate all standing next season there would be hell on from them. Dave from Gosforth and Tina from Wideopen would be in the Chronicle saying what an outrage it is, they’ve had those seats since the 90’s and can no longer stand for 90 mins due to gout.

 

As a previous poster has said all the big clubs have a stand where everyone stands for the big games. The Kop must have loads of ageing scousers on it and somehow by a miracle they manage to stand and sing.

 

It’s a culture thing and bar a hardcore of maybe 20k, I think most of our lot go for the social aspect and just to say they’ve gone to the match.

 

Any terrace/fan culture with us probably went in the 90’s at SJP and it’s now very soulless, bar the brief period of level 7 corner.

 

A lot of these tourists come to experience an atmosphere and the club need to be very careful, the match day experience is very poor and becoming a real turn off in terms of attending future matches.

 

 

 

 

 

This is a great post btw and you are right, the club need to be very careful here. Was reading a very interesting article on Spurs earlier. Now I'd say that Spurs are pretty much the nearest club in England to us in terms of fanbase size and they've recently moved into a new ultra modern 62,000 seater stadium.

 

They boasted that they had 80k on a season ticket waiting list not so long ago but over the last couple of years, through a mixture of high ticket prices, declining football, and poor atmosphere (remind you of anyone here?) a lot of their hardcore support have wrapped it in. Now Spurs, especially being in London, banked on the tourists coming in and replacing them so there wasn't really much concern but it hasn't quite turned out like that.

 

Their last 3 home Cup games (2 CL, 1 LC) have seen a total of 45,000 empty seats, and for League games they have had to scrap their members only policy for buying tickets (remind you of anyone here?) and open them up for General sale to fill up the seats.

 

Whilst we aren't at that stage yet I've noticed our last few games have been very easy to get tickets for on the day of the game suggesting demand at our place is also dwindling.

 

As the old saying goes. Be careful what you wish for.

 

 

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There are other issues bar old blokes in the Gallowgate. we have a ridiculously big family section which is the whole of the the Milburn level 7. East stand has an average age of 75. Only solution is to get a Mike Ashley type owner back and enough people will sod off. We can't have success and an atmosphere so pick a side.

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36 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Gallowgate middle tier is probably your back bone of ageing season ticket holders who can’t be arsed to create an atmosphere these days and just go to get away from the Mrs on a weekend.

 

If the club said they were making the Gallowgate all standing next season there would be hell on from them. Dave from Gosforth and Tina from Wideopen would be in the Chronicle saying what an outrage it is, they’ve had those seats since the 90’s and can no longer stand for 90 mins due to gout.

 

As a previous poster has said all the big clubs have a stand where everyone stands for the big games. The Kop must have loads of ageing scousers on it and somehow by a miracle they manage to stand and sing.

 

It’s a culture thing and bar a hardcore of maybe 20k, I think most of our lot go for the social aspect and just to say they’ve gone to the match.

 

Any terrace/fan culture with us probably went in the 90’s at SJP and it’s now very soulless, bar the brief period of level 7 corner.

 

A lot of these tourists come to experience an atmosphere and the club need to be very careful, the match day experience is very poor and becoming a real turn off in terms of attending future matches.

 

 

 

 

Is that the Tina and Dave who are Murphy’s buddies? 

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Just now, Boo Boy said:

There are other issues bar old blokes in the Gallowgate. we have a ridiculously big family section which is the whole of the the Milburn level 7. East stand has an average age of 75. Only solution is to get a Mike Ashley type owner back and enough people will sod off. We can't have success and an atmosphere so pick a side.

 

Aye but the atmosphere when we had the Ashley/Bruce combo was even worse than it is now. You could literally go a full 90 mins without a single chant breaking out!

 

And I'm not just talking about the COVID games either.

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1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

This is a great post btw and you are right, the club need to be very careful here. Was reading a very interesting article on Spurs earlier. Now I'd say that Spurs are pretty much the nearest club in England to us in terms of fanbase size and they've recently moved into a new ultra modern 62,000 seater stadium.

 

They boasted that they had 80k on a season ticket waiting list not so long ago but over the last couple of years, through a mixture of high ticket prices, declining football, and poor atmosphere (remind you of anyone here?) a lot of their hardcore support have wrapped it in. Now Spurs, especially being in London, banked on the tourists coming in and replacing them so there wasn't really much concern but it hasn't quite turned out like that.

 

Their last 3 home Cup games (2 CL, 1 LC) have seen a total of 45,000 empty seats, and for League games they have had to scrap their members only policy for buying tickets (remind you of anyone here?) and open them up for General sale to fill up the seats.

 

Whilst we aren't at that stage yet I've noticed our last few games have been very easy to get tickets for on the day of the game suggesting demand at our place is also dwindling.

 

As the old saying goes. Be careful what you wish for.

 

 

 

I’m hoping Silverstone bogging off might have a positive impact,he was disliked by Arsenal fans and blamed for a lot of problems re ticketing at the Emirates.

 

The problem we have is that none of the fan organisations appear to be really pushing the atmosphere problem, I’ve seen NUSC mention it in dispatches but it’s not enough we need some real fan pressure.

 

A new stadium for us and I think progress is being made on that front behind the scenes, needs to be priced correctly, or will be a white elephant.

 

Re-sale tickets would be snapped up straight away previously, but my feeling is that a combination of more matches, prices becoming prohibitive this season and the poor match day experience is starting to make local fans vote with their feet.

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26 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

I’m hoping Silverstone bogging off might have a positive impact,he was disliked by Arsenal fans and blamed for a lot of problems re ticketing at the Emirates.

 

The problem we have is that none of the fan organisations appear to be really pushing the atmosphere problem, I’ve seen NUSC mention it in dispatches but it’s not enough we need some real fan pressure.

 

A new stadium for us and I think progress is being made on that front behind the scenes, needs to be priced correctly, or will be a white elephant.

 

Re-sale tickets would be snapped up straight away previously, but my feeling is that a combination of more matches, prices becoming prohibitive this season and the poor match day experience is starting to make local fans vote with their feet.

 

That’s where the club risk shooting themselves in the foot through their lack of positive action on singing sections etc. We're already seeing it with the easier availability of resale tickets recently.
 

Demand is definitely dropping off, for a combination of reasons, but matchday experience is one.

 

Regular match by match punters (people like Wallsendmag and yours truly) who go to the match because we want to join in with vocal support are now getting sick of spending £50+ a game, plus all the hassle of getting tickets, just to sit there in frustration because most parts of the ground are really quiet.
 

And getting into The Corner, where we'd want to be, is really difficult, it's a tiny section of the ground where hardly any tickets come up.

 

And the less regular punters turning up expecting to hear the famous atmosphere are probably sitting there thinking, well this is a bit quiet, not sure it’s giving me the bug to want to become a regular punter and it's cost me £50+ for the ticket.

 

Which leaves the people who go and like it and will keep going, they're the ones who are happy enough just to sit quietly and clap from time to time.

 

So you end up in a vicious circle.

 

 

 

 

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The thing is the owld cunts should know better really, a lot of them being from the terraces era, when going to the games was a fucking thrill even though we were shite most of the time. Unless of course,they were miserable boring cunts back then too

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36 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

I’m hoping Silverstone bogging off might have a positive impact,he was disliked by Arsenal fans and blamed for a lot of problems re ticketing at the Emirates.

 

The problem we have is that none of the fan organisations appear to be really pushing the atmosphere problem, I’ve seen NUSC mention it in dispatches but it’s not enough we need some real fan pressure.

 

A new stadium for us and I think progress is being made on that front behind the scenes, needs to be priced correctly, or will be a white elephant.

 

Re-sale tickets would be snapped up straight away previously, but my feeling is that a combination of more matches, prices becoming prohibitive this season and the poor match day experience is starting to make local fans vote with their feet.

 

That bottom bit is me to a tee. Got an email earlier about Bournemouth tickets. I didn't even read it. Just pressed delete. Tbf the Domestic cup prices are pretty reasonable, especially the League Cup, but again the atmosphere will be grim and I'll enjoy it more watching it on the telly, whilst saving the ticket price.

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39 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

I’m hoping Silverstone bogging off might have a positive impact,he was disliked by Arsenal fans and blamed for a lot of problems re ticketing at the Emirates.

 

The problem we have is that none of the fan organisations appear to be really pushing the atmosphere problem, I’ve seen NUSC mention it in dispatches but it’s not enough we need some real fan pressure.

 

A new stadium for us and I think progress is being made on that front behind the scenes, needs to be priced correctly, or will be a white elephant.

 

Re-sale tickets would be snapped up straight away previously, but my feeling is that a combination of more matches, prices becoming prohibitive this season and the poor match day experience is starting to make local fans vote with their feet.

 

It'll just be another LinkedIn suit beholden to revenue targets. Nobody at the club is arsed about the atmosphere in the slightest. 

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6 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

It'll just be another LinkedIn suit beholden to revenue targets. Nobody at the club is arsed about the atmosphere in the slightest. 

 

Yep that's the issue, if they're only interested in maximising revenue then none of this is going to improve. 

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There were plenty of matches from the late 70’s and 80’s when going to stand on the terraces certainly wasn’t a thrill..

and for some games throughout most seasons the atmosphere was shite too…

Obviously a lot would depend on the opposition and/or how the team was performing as it does now..

Man city, Sheff wed, Chelsea, Barnsley always spring to mind as good home games for atmosphere. And probably the anticipation of potential shenanigans after the game helped drive enthusiasm..Orient, Grimsby and Cambridge not so… 

 

If proper, well thought out singing ends and atmosphere etc aren’t a priority for the club, nothing will change… pay for your ticket, buy as much food and drink as possible and enjoy the show….

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