Match Atmosphere

[SteV]

6 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Another request to bin the homophobic Sunderland chant in the corner please. It makes the singers sound like boomer wankers and is embarrassing. Don’t mind the ex-player stuff.

I don’t sit near the corner, so I can’t comment on that specifically, but whenever I’ve heard that song sung elsewhere (mainly away), it’s always with the use of “c*nts” rather than “p*ffs”?

[Hovagod]

Just now, SteV said:

I don’t sit near the corner, so I can’t comment on that specifically, but whenever I’ve heard that song sung elsewhere (mainly away), it’s always with the use of “c*nts” rather than “p*ffs”?

Definitely the latter yesterday. 

[gbandit]

That’s embarrassing like. Find it bad enough when we start singing randomly about Sunderland at all, let alone with gay slurs 

[Guest]

Shouldn't be a factor, but being the first game in ages where there wasn't much jeopardy will have played a part. I was in almost the exact same place as the Bournemouth game and the difference was very noticeable. I'm guessing about 80-90% would have been the same people as well.

 

 

Edited March 3 by Optimistic Nut

[1964]

6 hours ago, Sima said:

Had a cunt like that behind me in the Leazes upper this afternoon.

 

”Push out, push out”

”Show for it, show for it”

”ENGAGE! ENGAGE!”

 

Shut the fuck up, man.

Sounds like he was directing a porno 

[NE27]

3 minutes ago, 1964 said:

Sounds like he was directing a porno 

 

Or helping someone give birth

[llcoolc157]

The club have one chance only to get this right if they want to create a better atmosphere but to come up with a plan isn’t exactly rocket science…

Ideally singing end should be next to away fans

Current season ticket holders can choose a preference 

club can sort out logistics

Seating preference required for ballots

And appreciate not everyone wants to stand and sing… so off you go to the East or West stand or the A and E wing paddocks…

Simple…

 

[Sima]

23 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

Or helping someone give birth

Might have been his calling tbf with being able to sedate expectant mothers.

 

Tedious cunt.

[Sima]

Relocate away fans to the LWC L4 and L7

 

Make entire Leazes lower tier safe standing,

[gbandit]

I don’t really have an issue with people giving encouragement, e.g “send it wide, line” etc. Doesn’t have to be like you’re taking the manager role on but if it’s done in an encouraging way then it’s just another way of getting involved. The issue is if people are giving out loads of chat like that and then following it up if they don’t do it with “for fuck’s sake, why didn’t he line it. He’s fucking dogshit him.”

[Kid Icarus]

6 hours ago, Sima said:

Had a cunt like that behind me in the Leazes upper this afternoon.

 

”Push out, push out”

”Show for it, show for it”

”ENGAGE! ENGAGE!”

 

Shut the fuck up, man.

That sounds exactly like someone I sat near a few times. I used go red with second hand embarrassment at some of the shit he'd come out with. 

 

His favourite one was "hold him up, hold him up...PINCH!" usually directed towards Steven Taylor. In his view the best way to defend - often with an acre of space behind you - was to hold the attacker up, then go in for a tackle. 

 

I hated him, an absolute Kenny Sr level bullshitter but without ever being funny or endearing. 

[gbandit]

My favourite singing moment from

yesterday was when Burn shanked his shot wide with no pace on it and then someone started belting out “You’ll never ever beat Dan Burn, he’s from Blyth”. Burst out laughing 

 

 

Edited March 3 by gbandit

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

File this under ‘excuses 101’, but the it really doesn’t help when the weather is absolutely minging. 
 

Relented a bit in the second half, but the first half reminded me of the Dortmund game. You can say it shouldn’t make a difference, but it definitely does.

 

Got horrendous the 15 mins before halftime. Not surprised loads pissed off to the concourse early.

Shite weather doesn’t explain why season ticket holders turn up only wanting to vent anger at our players
 

As soon as the whistle blows they’re slagging and complaining 

 

Last 2 games I’ve had exactly that same experience in Gallowgate middle and Leazes lower 

 

 

 

Edited March 3 by bobbydazzla

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Shite weather doesn’t explain why people season ticket holders turn up only wanting to vent anger at our players
 

As soon as the whistle blows they start slagging and complaining 

 

Last 2 games I’ve had exactly the same experience in Gallowgate middle and Leazes lower 

 

 

 

 

Of course, I’m not saying it’s THE reason that has a negative impact on atmosphere.

 

It just doesn’t help. Sitting/standing there freezing whilst getting soaked, doesn’t lend itself to wanting to belt out Blaydon Races at the top of your lungs.

 

Tbh, all of the points made by different folk on here contribute to it to some degree or another. Hopefully they all get raised at this Match Atmosphere workshop (appreciate they can’t do much about the weather like…).

 

I think most people would agree that getting like-minded folk sat together is probably the biggest factor. So the club recognising that and starting to think about what they can do to facilitate it would be a good start.

[bobbydazzla]

Agreed. 
 

The club could approach it In simple terms:
 

If you want to stand and sing we’ve set up areas in a number of stands so go here, here, or there. 

 

If you want to sit and don’t fancy singing you’re catered for too, just go here, here, or there

 

If you want to slag the players off like a miserable cunt get yourself to Sunderland where’ll you’ll be in like minded company and can choose from thousands of empty seats

 

 

[J7]

The back of Gallowgate is fairly good until the point where people start sitting. The back 3 or 4 rows.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why the atmosphere is so poor overall though when you see the demographic of people around the front of the stands when the players are celebrating. It’s not their fault, but it’s never going to be lively when the average age looks about 50.

[Dr Venkman]

17 hours ago, gbandit said:

It’s baffling why someone comes to the game if that’s their experience 

Regular excuse to leave the family at home and have a few beers. Always has been, always will be.

[Pancrate1892]

3 hours ago, jack j said:

Couple of charvas on the stairs in the corner brought about 8 bottles of carling up between them. Thought they were at the new monkey the way they were dancing about. (Only for snapchats though, nee interest in the game or atmosphere)

 

On the subject of phones. I had my little lass with me in the corner yesterday. She's 7 stood on the seat all game enthralled. Joined in the little singing there was. It's no surprise to see the younger kids more into the atmosphere than teenagers with phones etc.

That's mint, the way it should be 

[LFEE]

15 hours ago, Heron said:

Spectators not supporters. Too many want to go to be entertained, rather than to support.

That’s what happens when you charge spectator prices instead of supporters prices. The sense of entitlement grows and you could arguably rightly so when prices so high. Just like going to a restaurant and judging the food by its cost really.

[gbandit]

Man City snatching at everything here

[Sima]

Pep’s ballot wankers.

[gbandit]

10 minutes ago, Sima said:

Pep’s ballot wankers.

Finally figured out why the atmosphere is so shite

[NUFC91]

Reading some of replies to NUST opinions on atmosphere pretty much sums up what @Whitley mag said yesterday about spectators not supporters.

 

"Was an easy game so atmosphere was to be expected"

 

"Sick of fans complaining, its results on pitch that matter"

 

"Why should fans move"

 

Wish they'd all fuck off and watch at home.

[Wallsendmag]

OK as a few of you will know I regularly travel over the North Sea to watch PSV Eindhoven play. Was there yesterday and the one thing that always jumps out to me is how different the demographic of their fanbase is to ours. That's the 100% biggest problem at SJP and I honestly don't see a solution to it.

 

Sat outside a bar yesterday watching all the other supporters walking past us and it was a massive majority of large groups of lads in their 20s and 30s. Admittedly the overwhelming choice of clothing was Stone Island and at first glance "football hooligans" is probably the first thing that would enter your head (very rarely see any bother there mind although away fans aren't allowed to drink in the City centre so you never see any) but generally it's large groups of younger males who like a bit bounce about, daft carry on, and a sing song who make up a large part of their support.

 

Compare to an average home game here and it's predominantly men and women in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s  who make up a large amount of the fanbase. Typically these don't enjoy a bit bounce around (they don't even like standing at the match) or a sing song. They want to sit there, arms folded and to be entertained.

 

That's how it is here now. All seater ST culture and high ticket prices have driven us to where we are these days and the unfortunate reality us that there is no going back. The other 19 PL clubs all have the same problem however. It's an English problem, not one that's specifically ours.

 

A new stadium might help out for the first few seasons with the novelty factor but then it would sink into the same malaise that SJP finds itself in today I reckon.

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

OK as a few of you will know I regularly travel over the North Sea to watch PSV Eindhoven play. Was there yesterday and the one thing that always jumps out to me is how different the demographic of their fanbase is to ours. That's the 100% biggest problem at SJP and I honestly don't see a solution to it.

 

Sat outside a bar yesterday watching all the other supporters walking past us and it was a massive majority of large groups of lads in their 20s and 30s. Admittedly the overwhelming choice of clothing was Stone Island and at first glance "football hooligans" is probably the first thing that would enter your head (very rarely see any bother there mind although away fans aren't allowed to drink in the City centre so you never see any) but generally it's large groups of younger males who like a bit bounce about, daft carry on, and a sing song who make up a large part of their support.

 

Compare to an average home game here and it's predominantly men and women in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s  who make up a large amount of the fanbase. Typically these don't enjoy a bit bounce around (they don't even like standing at the match) or a sing song. They want to sit there, arms folded and to be entertained.

 

That's how it is here now. All seater ST culture and high ticket prices have driven us to where we are these days and the unfortunate reality us that there is no going back. The other 19 PL clubs all have the same problem however. It's an English problem, not one that's specifically ours.

 

A new stadium might help out for the first few seasons with the novelty factor but then it would sink into the same malaise that SJP finds itself in today I reckon.

Doubt it would happen for a variety of reasons but having a stand which had more affordable tickets pitched at younger supporters (say 25 or younger) would enable a proportion of our support to attend, who are currently priced out, and probably lead to the kind Gallowgate corner, and previously Scoreboard, or before that Leazes,  volume and passion we grew-up with. 
Anyway, any new capacity could be distributed in a way—if there is the will to do so— so that we make space for and cluster ‘the loud’  somewhere; irrespective of age.