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I really don’t get what anyone is talking about. He’s not had any standout games recently, but he’s been fine by all accounts. He’s the only one in the midfield three that sprints back and makes a difference when we’re exposed. He was taken off on Sunday prematurely in my view and should have stayed on and played further forward to see if he could influence the game now that we owning the ball 

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On 14/12/2025 at 18:24, Jagten said:

The unpopular opinion is that he was never as good as Bruno, or as people thought he was, and the opinion change is a violent reversion to the mean. Same happened when people overrated Gordon’s ability. 

Well it is an opinion, but when—and love him or hate him, he was one of the best ever—Paul Scholes states he is the best midfielder in the Premier League you have to take the opposite view, which many NUFC fans have,  seriously. 

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19 hours ago, andyc35i said:

I really don’t get what anyone is talking about. He’s not had any standout games recently, but he’s been fine by all accounts. He’s the only one in the midfield three that sprints back and makes a difference when we’re exposed. He was taken off on Sunday prematurely in my view and should have stayed on and played further forward to see if he could influence the game now that we owning the ball 

 

 

I think he looks far better when we press high, that's where his all action style comes into it's own. I'm sure he can do a job sitting in as well, but then it's on the team as a whole to get the ball beyond the press and releasing the forwards. 

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2 hours ago, London Mag said:

He's better in the middle. Didn't work when he was on the right last year which is why he was moved central and played his best football.

Fuck knows why you would move him back right when it didn't work last time

 

Because he's been playing poorly in the middle.

 

Particularly with getting the ball up the pitch from the back, which is crucial in that position.

 

We cannot progress the ball because he is not doing enough to find space to receive the ball and start play out from the back.  He's been really bad at that.

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1 hour ago, Sima said:

Weird that he has been moved from his role as a 6 where he has been at his most consistent for us.

 

Build the team around him there as he is still our best player imo.

We were shite last season until Bruno and Tonali were swapped into their best roles.  Howe has swapped them back - fuck knows why, but it doesn’t work. 

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

We were shite last season until Bruno and Tonali were swapped into their best roles.  Howe has swapped them back - fuck knows why, but it doesn’t work. 

In Eddie's defense he has them rotating more likely to create a bit of unpredictability and mix things up a bit. 

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7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s made for the weakest midfield we’ve had in yonks despite the personnel available.  We are really easy to play through. 

We are, but I think that's more due to the sitting deep and setting up to be flat. It's fine if you've got pressure on the ball but all too often we don't so our opponents often just walk into space between the lines. 

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4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We are, but I think that's more due to the sitting deep and setting up to be flat. It's fine if you've got pressure on the ball but all too often we don't so our opponents often just walk into space between the lines. 

I agree that’s definitely part of it

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16 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Because he's been playing poorly in the middle.

 

Particularly with getting the ball up the pitch from the back, which is crucial in that position.

 

We cannot progress the ball because he is not doing enough to find space to receive the ball and start play out from the back.  He's been really bad at that.

You're talking Kaka mate

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58 minutes ago, London Mag said:

You're talking Kaka mate

 

Yeah, the invisible midfield is all Gordon and Elanga's fault as well I'm sure.

 

Must be down to them as well we were being pinned back by Xhaka and Sadiki, who both seemed to be having the time of their lives out there.

 

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45 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, the invisible midfield is all Gordon and Elanga's fault as well I'm sure.

 

Must be down to them as well we were being pinned back by Xhaka and Sadiki, who both seemed to be having the time of their lives out there.

 

I never saw any sunderland player "having the time of their lives". I saw an absolute boring slog of a game.

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2 minutes ago, Rod said:

I never saw any sunderland player "having the time of their lives". I saw an absolute boring slog of a game.

 

Never saw a Newcastle player even lay a finger on Xhaka and Sadiki who were both very comfortable.

 

They were pretty much camped in Newcastle's half the first 45 mins.

 

Looked like they were having a good old time to me.

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1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

Never saw a Newcastle player even lay a finger on Xhaka and Sadiki who were both very comfortable.

 

They were pretty much camped in Newcastle's half the first 45 mins.

 

Looked like they were having a good old time to me.

Ok then.

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