PauloGeordio Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Paully said: Phillips on loan is a total no-brainer - he was arguably England's best player at the last Euro's and Eddie would work wonders with him! Agreed. Got to sort his “hair crime” out though. Menace to society with that going on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Anderson has stepped it up. If Willock is fit. Miley progressing. Hall is also a CM. Do we really need another CM in that mould? Howe 8's we have: Willock, Joelinton, Longstaff, Anderson and potentially Hall too. Do we need Phillips over Anderson? I guess Tonali is also cover at 6 too though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Anderson has stepped it up. If Willock is fit. Miley progressing. Hall is also a CM. Do we really need another CM in that mould? Howe 8's we have: Willock, Joelinton, Longstaff, Anderson and potentially Hall too. Do we need Phillips over Anderson? I guess Tonali is also cover at 6 too though. Thought Phillips was a DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Great player somewhere in there - was standout player for Leeds' Bielsa shows me he can run/press - however, Pep has him nowhere near his first XI for a reason. Don't think he's that great, playing alongside more technical/creative/talented players at City has shown him up - he was dross and hid against us when we played them. (City Forums tell) I'd happily sign Phillips if he bossed and ran City's B team midfield against us, but he was rubbish. Moving to Man City has probably ruined him. He's this incarnation of the Jack Rodwell, Scott Sinclair... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Don't massively rate Phillips but would definitely take him loan-to-buy if we're going to be without Tonali for the rest of the season. I think Howe rates him. We need numbers in midfield. Miley isn't ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Anderson has stepped it up. If Willock is fit. Miley progressing. Hall is also a CM. Do we really need another CM in that mould? Howe 8's we have: Willock, Joelinton, Longstaff, Anderson and potentially Hall too. Do we need Phillips over Anderson? I guess Tonali is also cover at 6 too though. Phillips is a DM not a #8 though. He can also do a job at CB. I think he's a repair job which worries me because we haven't really gone for these kind of big club cast offs. But he arguably gives us a bit more balance in midfield options as somebody who can genuinely play #6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Don't massively rate Phillips but would definitely take him loan-to-buy if we're going to be without Tonali for the rest of the season. I think Howe rates him. We need numbers in midfield. Miley isn't ready. This is where I'm at. No idea if it would be doable with FFP, or if City would even be keen on it. Plus I'm guessing wages might be a stumbling block. But we currently only have Bruno that can play the deeper role in Howe's midfield. As a stop gap, with an option to buy, it is quite appealing. If he rediscovers his Leeds form. Then he would be well worth buying at the end of it if the price wasn't daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Phillips is a DM not a #8 though. He can also do a job at CB. I think he's a repair job which worries me because we haven't really gone for these kind of big club cast offs. But he arguably gives us a bit more balance in midfield options as somebody who can genuinely play #6. Fair enough, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 We would change to a 4-1-4-1 formation if we got Phillips, kind of like the chelsea set up when Kante was there. The front five would be pretty formidible: Miggy--Bruno--Joe--Gordon ‐-‐-------Isak--------- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Could also have both wide backs push up further as phillips could drop to form a back three Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 I’m confused as to why we didn’t buy a DM anyway, but guess the right one wasn’t available at the time. With regular football Phillips would turn us into a top 3 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Phillips is a very good fit in terms of style and ability, he played Bielsa ball effectively enough for 3 seasons to earn a move to Man City.. in terms of pressing intensity you don’t get much closer to our style than what Bielsa deployed at Leeds. Yes he is more of an out and out DM than what we have and would not offer what Bruno does going forward but he is technically very tidy, he has quick feet and shifts the ball nicely. Playing him at 6 would allow the 2 in front in a 4-3-3 midfield some more freedom. He’d also seemingly settle right in, knows the league inside out and will already know the England lads from our squad. It makes a whole lot of sense. Edited October 18, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Phillips is a DM not a #8 though. He can also do a job at CB. I think he's a repair job which worries me because we haven't really gone for these kind of big club cast offs. But he arguably gives us a bit more balance in midfield options as somebody who can genuinely play #6. Howay, Phillips is never a CB! He made his standing/name/reputation/move to City from playing in a very good Bielsa Leeds' side. He was incredible at dropping in between centre backs then playing that long diagonal. 'Yorkshire Pirlo' was the cry. Since stepping up a level, training with Pep/Man City his career/talent has dropped off a cliff. There is a reason Rico Lewis is going to get more minutes as a CM/DM for Man City - he's better! Southgate will be blind to see that. Rico Lewis is far too good for U21 level, ahead of Phillips at Man City - but 33 year old Hendo will rob another cap, rather than promoting from a winning U21 side. Players from U21 are actually playing week in week out in top sides in the PL, and playing well - Cole Palmer, Anthony Gordon, Rico Lewis etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, MorganBarasi said: Howay, Phillips is never a CB! He made his standing/name/reputation/move to City from playing in a very good Bielsa Leeds' side. He was incredible at dropping in between centre backs then playing that long diagonal. 'Yorkshire Pirlo' was the cry. Since stepping up a level, training with Pep/Man City his career/talent has dropped off a cliff. There is a reason Rico Lewis is going to get more minutes as a CM/DM for Man City - he's better! Southgate will be blind to see that. Rico Lewis is far too good for U21 level, ahead of Phillips at Man City - but 33 year old Hendo will rob another cap, rather than promoting from a winning U21 side. Players from U21 are actually playing week in week out in top sides in the PL, and playing well - Cole Palmer, Anthony Gordon, Rico Lewis etc. I have definitely watched him play CB for Leeds - particularly in their Championship promotion season he played about half of the season there. Not sure he's done it often in the PL and I'm not saying that's what should happen - more making the point that he operates in that area of the pitch not further forward. Agree with everything else. I'm not convinced by him and worried he'd be a career repair job we could do without. But as a stop gap he might be OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: I have definitely watched him play CB for Leeds - particularly in their Championship promotion season he played about half of the season there. Not sure he's done it often in the PL and I'm not saying that's what should happen - more making the point that he operates in that area of the pitch not further forward. Agree with everything else. I'm not convinced by him and worried he'd be a career repair job we could do without. But as a stop gap he might be OK. He never played as an actual CB. Pontus Jansson, Liam Cooper, Ben White were centre backs. I know what you mean, he played for Bielsa in that half midfielder/quarter back role, dropping between CBs He was great at it - Yorshire Pirlo. Bielsa's tactics are incredible when they work - Bilbao vs. Man U at Old Trafford! Move to Man City is what he's probably dreamed of - but he can't get a game under the greatest manager of our time. Pep would rather give minutes to a young lad like Rico Lewis who's come through Pep's Man City/Barca way than play Phillips. Moving to Man City from Leeds has now priced his contract terms sky high. Like Lingard -ability is 8-15 in the PL, but priced at £100k plus is bonkers. Fair play to the lad getting his money, but like Sinclair, Rodwell he's never getting a better contract than at Man City - he's gone from being great to barely kicking a ball. Man City will be a career finisher - as was Rodwell's. Edited October 18, 2023 by MorganBarasi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Well I've just looked at transfermarkt and he played as an orthodox CB in a back four on a number of occasions as well as playing in a back three. I agree it's not his primary role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 It's a shame that the Tonali case didn't drag out for a few months like Toney's did. Hopefully it's a returning Willock, more Anderson minutes and Hall's versatility to help us reach January, when we loan somebody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, ponsaelius said: Well I've just looked at transfermarkt and he played as an orthodox CB in a back four on a number of occasions as well as playing in a back three. I agree it's not his primary role. I'll bow down to transfermarkt's facts - but I've never seen Phillips play as a CB. Watched Leeds plenty live under Bielsa - Phillips was different level in that team - but never a CB. His failure at Man City is honestly sad. He can run and work like fuck as a midfielder - he played midfield for Biesla!! Going to Man City has shown up Phillips isn't an elite player. We shouldn't be thinking about players that aren't/or can't reach elite level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 under Howe, Phillips would become one of the best midfielders in the league. I have zero doubts about that. he needs to get out of Man City asap, it was a stupid move for him. so obvious what was going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Howe can make wine out of water but Guardola can't... (i know he has Rodri ahead of him but still) Edited October 18, 2023 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, Ikon said: Howe can make wine out of water but Guardola can't... (i know he has Rodri ahead of him but still) Pep would too, but I think our system suits Phillips far more than city’s system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Rodri for me is the best player in the league. Don't understand why nobody has tried to have a dedicated player with high stamina just stick to him like glue for 90 minutes. No surprise Phillips isn't getting a lot of playing time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Kalvin Philips feels like a nailed on January loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 A midfielder has now become priority in January you’d have thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Don't think you can just write a 70 million player off and sign a new one 5 months later like Think we'll have to do with what we have tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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