gbandit Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Also, comparing stats (assists and goals) from team to team is a very tricky measure. If you take at the way we’re set up compared to Everton for example or Forest then we create tons more chances so Murphy would be likely to have far better stats for us than he would if he played for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 3 minutes ago, joeyt said: Are you just basing it off numbers? He's only 22, is absolutely rapid and seems to have performed well for Forest. He tore us apart twice and the BBC even pinpointed him out as the star man at the weekend https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgx8p95x7no That’s why I put the question mark. I haven’t seen him play that often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 13 minutes ago, joeyt said: What's the reason behind people being so against signing Elanga? It'll be if he's not good enough for man utd then he's not good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: That’s the problem is there a right sided forward anyone can think of worthy of 60 million at the moment. Bowen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 5 minutes ago, gbandit said: What does a project player mean? A player who’s not there yet but we feel we can develop? Like a Gordon when we bought him? I'd say if we're spending 40m on a player we're expecting him to be fighting for a first team place pretty quickly. Project player to me would be a highly rated younger player that we think has potential to develop and challenge for a first team place over the next couple of years, while not being completely out of their depth if they had to play sooner rather than later. Osula and Minteh spring to mind as examples. But the club could have a different definition, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Think Elanga's past as a Man U reject sours many people. Wouldn't be a fan personally, he would be an improvement in short term but seems like the type we would be hoping to get rid of in 2-3 years when the real purple arrives. At least he's still young but can't see his ceiling being high enough to be a starter for a team trying to finish in top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 I’ve not seen him play that often as I’ve said but he’s not exactly the most exciting player. No point getting a player in ‘that’ll do’ when we have two right wingers. If we aren’t going to significantly improve in that position then a year down the line we will have 3 right wingers that don’t elevate us. dunno I know I’m asking too much but I want that right wing signing to be a player other teams are jealous of but I guess as it stands we are lumping our money on a centre half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terraloon Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 1 minute ago, Dokko said: Agree with all that. A loan would be something we could test. Someone said 8 weeks, under how I reckon we'd get half a season out of him. My issue is ignoring all you've said and hit the attitude button because the message from the red tops was to hate sterling due to attitude, and nothing to do with him being a highly paid black lad. That's all thst bothers me. I don't think people even remember the shit he got and that it was due to skin colour and that attitude tag came from there. Provably bothers me more than it should. I think the fact that he was told that he wasn’t wanted, for whatever reason, has hurt him. He hasn’t really ever had much go against him since the day he left QPR. His outburst was to a degree a knee jerk but he has been in the game for long enough to have seen it happen other players as I say it’s something he hasn’t had to deal with before There was a lot of chatter some years ago about him during his time at Liverpool much of that had nothing to do with anyone other than those directly involved and for sure he got dogs abuse in the press and there clearly were references to his colour . He also got abuse in a game against us some seasons ago. No player should have to deal with the abuse some supporters think they are entitled to hand out it certainly isn’t as bad as it was but still away to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Just now, Shak said: I'd say if we're spending 40m on a player we're expecting him to be fighting for a first team place pretty quickly. Project player to me would be a highly rated younger player that we think has potential to develop and challenge for a first team place over the next couple of years, while not being completely out of their depth if they had to play sooner rather than later. Osula and Minteh spring to mind as examples. But the club could have a different definition, of course. Define quick. £33m Hall didn't get into the team FT until March, and that wasn't until we were 4 injuries to the position deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Just now, Terraloon said: I think the fact that he was told that he wasn’t wanted, for whatever reason, has hurt him. He hasn’t really ever had much go against him since the day he left QPR. His outburst was to a degree a knee jerk but he has been in the game for long enough to have seen it happen other players as I say it’s something he hasn’t had to deal with before There was a lot of chatter some years ago about him during his time at Liverpool much of that had nothing to do with anyone other than those directly involved and for sure he got dogs abuse in the press and there clearly were references to his colour . He also got abuse in a game against us some seasons ago. No player should have to deal with the abuse some supporters think they are entitled to hand out it certainly isn’t as bad as it was but still away to go. A footballers ego is as fragile as their legs. One kicking and they may never recover. So many players cannot reinvent themselves. This is why for me, shearer was one of the smartest players on the pitch in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 it was claimed Forest didn't want to sell earlier in the window, and that they valued him at around £40 million, and so it won't be him, if that info shared is correct. As it said it wasn't someone in the £40 million range. If I had to guess I'd probably say Chiesa, whose price has dropped so slow (latest talk is 15 million euros), that at this point it's probably worth taking a chance, provided he comes through the medical well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: Bowen. Would we get Bowen for 60 million not so sure, he’d be a big upgrade, but 28 in December and would prob cost 70 plus to prize away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Project player at RW doesn’t sound like Ferran Torres or Raphinha, nor does it sound like Kulusevski. It could be Madueke, doesn’t feel like Elanga but it’s not out of the question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 1 minute ago, gbandit said: Project player at RW doesn’t sound like Ferran Torres or Raphinha, nor does it sound like Kulusevski. It could be Madueke, doesn’t feel like Elanga but it’s not out of the question Oh ... did he say the right winger was a project player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Just now, KaKa said: Oh ... did he say the right winger was a project player? I’ve not heard it directly but I thought that was what was mentioned in here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Oh ... did he say the right winger was a project player? Not Downie no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, Dokko said: Define quick. £33m Hall didn't get into the team FT until March, and that wasn't until we were 4 injuries to the position deep. Aye, but I think that was mostly due to Hall falling out of favour with Eddie. Think Hall last year was a major disappointment and the expectation for that outlay was that he'd be far more involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Would we get Bowen for 60 million not so sure, he’d be a big upgrade, but 28 in December and would prob cost 70 plus to prize away. Why does Bowen even get mentioned? Cmon we’ve been through this everyone. He’s on a 7-8yr deal. New club captain of a team his partners dad is very attached to and just had another child not that long ago. Personally think he’s already reached his ceiling and has become a bit overrated. Regardless of that. Let it go… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Still looking for a right winger you say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 26 minutes ago, joeyt said: Are you just basing it off numbers? He's only 22, is absolutely rapid and seems to have performed well for Forest. He tore us apart twice and the BBC even pinpointed him out as the star man at the weekend https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgx8p95x7no Can't quite comprehend how Newcastle fans in particular are so bad at rating players playing at poor teams having watched the transformation of literally every one of our players under a quality manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 (edited) It'll probably be Madueke, just seems like an obvious one. Edited August 21, 2024 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, LFEE said: Why does Bowen even get mentioned? Cmon we’ve been through this everyone. He’s on a 7-8yr deal. New club captain of a team his partners dad is very attached to and just had another child not that long ago. Personally think he’s already reached his ceiling and has become a bit overrated. Regardless of that. Let it go… I’m not advocating Bowen was just replying to a post earlier, I agree wouldn’t be my choice either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Bowen isn’t realistic, he’s not for sale and he doesn’t want to leave. Will be Madueke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 10 minutes ago, gbandit said: I’ve not heard it directly but I thought that was what was mentioned in here? Apparently Downie has said ... a name "we've been linked to before" but not 40-50m range; also reporting Geuhi is "quite close" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 Could it be that arsenal lad? He'd fit the bill as a project player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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