NUFC Transfer Rumours

[gjohnson]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

City have built pieces to ensure their success. 
 

They’ve gone multi-club which has allowed them to hide the cost of non football staff away from PSR. We’ve not done that. 
 

they’ve built the best academy in the country.  Second best at worst.  
 

Increased stadium capacity. 
 

Hired the best in class to run the club. 
 

But more than anything, they’ve shown an unrelenting desire to win.  They are taking on the football establishment to ensure they keep winning.  
 

They have money. PSG have money. But the outcomes are v. different.   
 

As others have said, the leadership isn’t doing everything they can (as far as we can see) to close the gap.  Too slow. Too cautious.  Money is one thing but I’ve yet to see elite acumen.  Most of the good and bad can be attributed to Staveley and co. In terms of acumen. 
 

 

It’s still relatively early days. 3 years into their takeover City went multi-club. Decided to take on the establishment head on. Announced plans for the campus. We await stadium news.  

And City have only been able to do this in the first place by being able to spend far more than they could have ever generated without their first takeover under Sinawatra [yes i know spelling is wrong).

 

If these rules had been in place earlier they'd still be a yoyo club hoping for a season in the PL and living off parachute paymemts

[gjohnson]

2 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

And City have only been able to do this in the first place by being able to spend far more than they could have ever generated without their first takeover under Sinawatra [yes i know spelling is wrong).

 

If these rules had been in place earlier they'd still be a yoyo club hoping for a season in the PL and living off parachute paymemts

City haven't done anything miraculous. They spent their way to the top the same way Chelsea did for a while, the same way PSG did. When they got there, then they built to ensure they stayed there. It may or may not bite them, but whatever punishment (if any) they get will only hold them back for a few years while they chew through whatever league they could be demoted to. I'd wager now that with the strength of their academy they could play their current u16 team and comfortably get to the upper regions of the championship

 

[Kanj]

9 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Sorry pal - that was rude of me.  You didn’t deserve that.  My bad.  
 

I’m just frustrated by the whole thing. 
 

There’s no reason a non related party would pay us equivalent to a top 6 team. Unless our owners do some shenanigans - which they don’t seem willing to do.  

Aye we can’t close the gap unless our owners pump in money.  Our owners seem only willing to do this with minimal workarounds. 
 

If we can’t close the gap meaningfully in revenues in the short term. We need to have better coaching, better transfer deals.  That means top 6 quality for not top 6 wages and fees. You can’t do that if you want to sign several players for £50m+ with massive reputations. We’ll need riskier transfers.  Younger players. Lower wages. 

The Europe thing is overstated - at least in the short term.  Qualifying for the conference league doesn’t materially impact PSR for the next season or 2.  
 

The PSR - related parties thing is crazy.  Because if we get European football 3 years out of 5 - can we justify the same deals as Spurs who do the same thing? Because… no Spurs will still have a bigger brand. 

no issue at all mate. Thanks for the apology. I’m with you too. Super frustrated as we aren’t able to kick on. Inevitably we have differing opinions and approaches on how to kick on and thats 100% fair. Nobody will have the same approach. 

[Kanj]

7 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

City have built pieces to ensure their success. 
 

They’ve gone multi-club which has allowed them to hide the cost of non football staff away from PSR. We’ve not done that. 
 

they’ve built the best academy in the country.  Second best at worst.  
 

Increased stadium capacity. 
 

Hired the best in class to run the club. 
 

But more than anything, they’ve shown an unrelenting desire to win.  They are taking on the football establishment to ensure they keep winning.  
 

They have money. PSG have money. But the outcomes are v. different.   
 

As others have said, the leadership isn’t doing everything they can (as far as we can see) to close the gap.  Too slow. Too cautious.  Money is one thing but I’ve yet to see elite acumen.  Most of the good and bad can be attributed to Staveley and co. In terms of acumen. 
 

 

It’s still relatively early days. 3 years into their takeover City went multi-club. Decided to take on the establishment head on. Announced plans for the campus. We await stadium news.  

Issue is that city began all of that before the current rules came into play. They also did that in LIBOR low interest rate world. They did all that when infrastructure was far cheaper than it is now. Simply can not compare it apples to apples anymore. No deal now compares to even caciedo and Enzo or coutinho and our Bruno. It’s what I’ve been trying to say about business side here for ages. Cost of doing biz is radically different now v pre 2020 and that’s equity credit and debt markets. 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by Kanj

[TRon]

20 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

City have built pieces to ensure their success. 
 

They’ve gone multi-club which has allowed them to hide the cost of non football staff away from PSR. We’ve not done that. 
 

they’ve built the best academy in the country.  Second best at worst.  
 

Increased stadium capacity. 
 

Hired the best in class to run the club. 
 

But more than anything, they’ve shown an unrelenting desire to win.  They are taking on the football establishment to ensure they keep winning.  
 

They have money. PSG have money. But the outcomes are v. different.   
 

As others have said, the leadership isn’t doing everything they can (as far as we can see) to close the gap.  Too slow. Too cautious.  Money is one thing but I’ve yet to see elite acumen.  Most of the good and bad can be attributed to Staveley and co. In terms of acumen. 
 

 

It’s still relatively early days. 3 years into their takeover City went multi-club. Decided to take on the establishment head on. Announced plans for the campus. We await stadium news.  

 

But I suppose the elephant in the room question is, would City have done any of those things if they weren't allowed to build a winning team? They might have done, but the first thing they did was spend gazillions on building a title winning side that qualified every year for the CL.

 

I'm not saying we shouldn't be doing more. But I can understand why there is less gung ho about it when so many obstacles are carefully being placed to make sure we don't implement the one change which would send us crashing into the stratosphere.

[The College Dropout]

City have done whatever it takes to stay #1. 
 

They have been so adept in their moves. 
 

 

I guess the point I’m trying to make is City have proven skilled at administration and finding hacks - beyond just throwing money at a problem. You can see the difference in leadership between City and PSG.  We don’t know how good PIF leadership is beyond throwing money around. 

[madras]

12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

City have done whatever it takes to stay #1. 
 

They have been so adept in their moves. 
 

 

I guess the point I’m trying to make is City have proven skilled at administration and finding hacks - beyond just throwing money at a problem. You can see the difference in leadership between City and PSG.  We don’t know how good PIF leadership is beyond throwing money around. 

They are only in a position to use those hacks because they were allowed to spend freely and without fear, not to mention ludicrous sponsorships that provide a huge part of their revenue.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, madras said:

They are only in a position to use those hacks because they were allowed to spend freely and without fear, not to mention ludicrous sponsorships that provide a huge part of their revenue.

Nothing is stopping us going multi club. Nothing is stopping us loaning players from Saudi.  Nothing is stopping finding proactive workarounds. Nothing is stopping us challenging anti competitive rules in court. 

[madras]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Nothing is stopping us going multi club. Nothing is stopping us loaning players from Saudi.  Nothing is stopping finding proactive workarounds. Nothing is stopping us challenging anti competitive rules in court. 

How does going multi club affect the finances we are already struggling with ?

Can we afford the loan players wages given thebrudiculousbsums some are on and our FFP ?

Proactive workarounds, give me an idea of some ?

Are Man City going to court ? and the reason I'd guess is that they don't think they'd get enough of a victory to radically change things.

 

There's low hanging fruit I'm surprised hasn't been used. Trying ground and kit sponsor for example, our own Christmas decoration partner etc etc.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, madras said:

They are only in a position to use those hacks because they were allowed to spend freely and without fear, not to mention ludicrous sponsorships that provide a huge part of their revenue.

 

And we still don't know if they would have done any of those things if the best they thought they could achieve was 6th in the table.

[Jewel]

I wouldn’t be too upset if we don’t sign anyone in the January window.

 

keep our powder dry and go again properly in the summer.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Jewel said:

I wouldn’t be too upset if we don’t sign anyone in the January window.

 

keep our powder dry and go again properly in the summer.

We haven’t got any powder to keep dry.

[The Butcher]

[ExiledGeordie]

7 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

We haven’t got any powder to keep dry.

😂

[Geordie Ahmed]

An ineffective left winger? Sure, that's exactly what we are crying out for 

[Joelinton7]

Fichajes also said we were signing Sergio Ramos the other week. 

[TRon]

9 hours ago, Jewel said:

I wouldn’t be too upset if we don’t sign anyone in the January window.

 

keep our powder dry and go again properly in the summer.

 

 

I think it's probably fair to say that any future signings whether January or the summer will be Mitchell-led. Can't see Howe being given carte blanche like he was previously unless we know for sure he's here long term.

[Izakaya]

47 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I think it's probably fair to say that any future signings whether January or the summer will be Mitchell-led. Can't see Howe being given carte blanche like he was previously unless we know for sure he's here long term.

 

Feel the same. 

 

If we do get players in Jan it'll be under Mitchell's choice. Eddie won't have any input. 

 

Maybe even said to Eddie, you're getting X signings and Y players are being sold. Get on with it or you can leave at the end of the season. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

7 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

 

Feel the same. 

 

If we do get players in Jan it'll be under Mitchell's choice. Eddie won't have any input. 

 

Maybe even said to Eddie, you're getting X signings and Y players are being sold. Get on with it or you can leave at the end of the season. 

 

Well that would be stupid. 

[McDog]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Well that would be stupid. 

 

 

I agree. I highly doubt Mitchell would ignore the manager's wishes completely. That said, his remit is to run the transfers so if agreement isn't made with the gaffer, he wins the tiebreaker.

[KaKa]

40 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

 

Feel the same. 

 

If we do get players in Jan it'll be under Mitchell's choice. Eddie won't have any input. 

 

Maybe even said to Eddie, you're getting X signings and Y players are being sold. Get on with it or you can leave at the end of the season. 

 

Mitchell had already said this is not how things will work.

 

However, he does need to offer more of a framework around how the squad needs to be improved on. With specific positions and roles in mind.

 

He also needs to provide a wider array of players for each of these positions and roles for the manager to then select from. These players need to be at the right fee and wages to allow us to continue to build at a reasonable rate without doing us in completely PSR wise.

 

If we go with this sort of approach we'll be just fine, as it's what we should have been doing in the first place.

[Geordie Ahmed]

There's not a chance the club will sign players without the final say from Howe, they may as well sack him if they do that

 

Howe will have final say and rightly so but much like Klopp listened to Edwards when it came to the signing of Salah then Howe needs to do the same 

 

As it happens I don't think we'll do much in January and if the reason for that is it allows us to have a bigger summer then I'm all for it 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Need to avoid a ‘final say’ at all really. 

[SteV]

8 hours ago, Izakaya said:

 

Feel the same. 

 

If we do get players in Jan it'll be under Mitchell's choice. Eddie won't have any input. 

 

Maybe even said to Eddie, you're getting X signings and Y players are being sold. Get on with it or you can leave at the end of the season. 

If that happened Eddie would resign, and rightly so. But there’s absolutely no chance of it happening, so we’re alright.

[black_n_white]

Fell the side needs a spark of something new in the attacking third and maybe a new right winger might bring that? Hopefully the plan is to ship out almiron and bring in a replacement.