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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:06, The Prophet said:

Yes please.

 

I'm sure I read earlier that the Almiron sale is necessary to ensure that we don't breach PSR.

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Not sure how that is possible when we haven’t made a first team signing in 18 months ? 
 

Would also go against what media are saying regarding us hoping to take advantage of clubs who may need to sell before the PSR deadline in June ?

 

 

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We are currently at 68% in squad cost to revenue currently, if we qualify for Europe need to be at 70% for new rules from next season.

 

We need to remove players from the wage bill to make room.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:22, Whitley mag said:

We are currently at 68% in squad cost to revenue currently, if we qualify for Europe need to be at 70% for new rules from next season.

 

We need to remove players from the wage bill to make room.

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These rules are so fucking shit man. 
 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:22, Whitley mag said:

We are currently at 68% in squad cost to revenue currently, if we qualify for Europe need to be at 70% for new rules from next season.

 

We need to remove players from the wage bill to make room.

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Or increase revenue.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:22, Whitley mag said:

We are currently at 68% in squad cost to revenue currently, if we qualify for Europe need to be at 70% for new rules from next season.

 

We need to remove players from the wage bill to make room.

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How many players currently on the payroll have contracts that expire in the summer? Lascelles, Wilson, Krafth, Schar. We’re about to sell Miggy, possibly Kelly before the window shuts and I wouldn’t be surprised if Longstaff is sold in the summer. Plus as others have said we may also increase our revenue too particularly if we qualify for European football. I don’t think it’s quite the doomsday situation you’re painting

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:49, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:


How many players currently on the payroll have contracts that expire in the summer? Lascelles, Wilson, Krafth, Schar. We’re about to sell Miggy, possibly Kelly before the window shuts and I wouldn’t be surprised if Longstaff is sold in the summer. Plus as others have said we may also increase our revenue too particularly if we qualify for European football. I don’t think it’s quite the doomsday situation you’re painting

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I’m not painting any doomsday scenario they’re just being sensible, you can see by figures how close we are.

 

 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 18:59, SUPERTOON said:

 

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He looked a perfect Schär replacement in our game against them. Based on that game alone, he would be an excellent signing, much rather him than Guehi. 

Obviously it's just click bait bullshit, but still. 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:06, The Prophet said:

Yes please.

 

I'm sure I read earlier that the Almiron sale is necessary to ensure that we don't breach PSR.

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How? We were clear last week and haven’t spent a penny since osula. How tight can it be? 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:08, SUPERTOON said:

Not sure how that is possible when we haven’t made a first team signing in 18 months ? 
 

Would also go against what media are saying regarding us hoping to take advantage of clubs who may need to sell before the PSR deadline in June ?

 

 

 

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Without knowing the precise numbers, perhaps the annual amortisation is similar. We're still paying for players bought at the beginning of the takeover.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 20:16, gdm said:

How? We were clear last week and haven’t spent a penny since osula. How tight can it be? 

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Speculating of course, but we could be paying a similar amount in annual transfer fees and wages to what we were last summer.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 19:22, Whitley mag said:

We are currently at 68% in squad cost to revenue currently, if we qualify for Europe need to be at 70% for new rules from next season.

 

We need to remove players from the wage bill to make room.

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Have the new rules actually been voted in yet? The vote back in April was only 'in principle', and in June they voted to trial the squad cost rules this season.

 

Also, we don't know the full details what the proposed rules are, I know it has been reported as including amortisation, but that seems bonkers and unworkable, pretty much every club would fail. In the UEFA rules the limit is just on wages and agent fees, not amortisation. So it would seem incredibly restrictive for the PL to restrict wages, agent fees and amortisation to 70% (or 85% if not in Europe).

 

The PL press release in june that said "SCR will regulate on-pitch spend to a proportion (85 per cent) of a club’s football revenue and net profit/loss on player sales." I don't think that is the same thing as including amortisation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 20:38, SUPERTOON said:

Did we not vote for this new version of rules, or was that something else ?

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We did, along with every other club back in April, but that was apparently just in principle and was reported as aligning with UEFA's rules.

 

 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 20:36, Jackie Broon said:

 

Have the new rules actually been voted in yet? The vote back in April was only 'in principle', and in June they voted to trial the squad cost rules this season.

 

Also, we don't know the full details what the proposed rules are, I know it has been reported as including amortisation, but that seems bonkers and unworkable, pretty much every club would fail. In the UEFA rules the limit is just on wages and agent fees, not amortisation. So it would seem incredibly restrictive for the PL to restrict wages, agent fees and amortisation to 70% (or 85% if not in Europe).

 

The PL press release in june that said "SCR will regulate on-pitch spend to a proportion (85 per cent) of a club’s football revenue and net profit/loss on player sales." I don't think that is the same thing as including amortisation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Net profit / loss is based on amortisation 

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  On 27/01/2025 at 21:18, TheBrownBottle said:

Net profit / loss is based on amortisation 

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Yes but "on player sales" is the important bit.

 

For example a club buys a player for £20m on a 5 year contract. After one season his amortised value is £16m, the club sells him at the point for 24m, that is a net profit of £8m which is added to the turnover figure.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 20:36, Jackie Broon said:

 

Have the new rules actually been voted in yet? The vote back in April was only 'in principle', and in June they voted to trial the squad cost rules this season.

 

Also, we don't know the full details what the proposed rules are, I know it has been reported as including amortisation, but that seems bonkers and unworkable, pretty much every club would fail. In the UEFA rules the limit is just on wages and agent fees, not amortisation. So it would seem incredibly restrictive for the PL to restrict wages, agent fees and amortisation to 70% (or 85% if not in Europe).

 

The PL press release in june that said "SCR will regulate on-pitch spend to a proportion (85 per cent) of a club’s football revenue and net profit/loss on player sales." I don't think that is the same thing as including amortisation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes you’re right they’re to be trialled alongside current PSR rules from next season, but UEFA has the 70% in place I believe, so not sure if any club breaching it will fall foul if competing in Europe next season ?

 

Not sure most reports i read said amortisation will be included and assessed yearly, as opposed to 3 year rolling period.

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  On 27/01/2025 at 21:32, Colos Short and Curlies said:

Hmmm a bit of a Google search would suggest that amortisation is included in the scr for both UEFA and the premier league.

 

It seems a tad unfair that you include it in your costs and then have to deduct any unamortized value from a transfer fee.

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K.1.3

Amortisations/impairment of relevant persons’ costs are calculated from the licensee’s annual financial statements and/or interim financial statements as defined in Annex G.

 

Annex G from UEFA rulebook for anyone who can understand and what the PL rules will trial.

 

https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-Club-Licensing-and-Financial-Sustainability-Regulations-2024/Annex-G-Accounting-requirements-for-the-preparation-of-financial-statements-Online

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