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The more I see Mbuemo the more clearly suited he is to our style. He’d be a monster here. Have him over Cunha every single time.

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38 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Bloody use the loan market if needed too 

 

villa smashed it by doing so in jan 

By paying out about half a mill a week to do so. 
 

Gamble hasn’t worked if they don’t make CL.

 

*I will say that in the position they found themselves come January, it was probably a ‘sensible’ gamble, but doesn’t necessarily equate that we would be in a similar position.

 

*And I’d also say that Emery’s coaching methods lend themselves much better to loaning players than Howe’s does. Emery tends to do a lot more trading of players, and swapping players in and out to suit particular games. Howe is more about coaching players to be able to do what he wants (probably generalising significantly in relation to both of them like).

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Just now, BrianSwan said:

I wonder what would happen if you start getting Saudi Pro League players on loan

An emergency PL meeting followed by a new rule banning the loan of players from the Saudi Pro League.

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Surely we have to strike a balance between getting in quality and quantity. If we sign a current premier league baller for 50-60m, and that potentially leaves us with pennies, we're back to having a shit squad the next year. 

 

 

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Howe himself has confirmed we’ve bid big money for Guehi and Khusanov since the Anderson thing so there’s either money there to spend (and presumably more now since those bids) or the club genuinely don’t know what they’re doing. Based on the below quotes from the Summer, it sounds like we’re just being careful and waiting for the right deals/players.

 

 

“Without going into the individual situation here, we've tried to sign several players,” Howe admitted when asked about putting sole focus on signing one player in Guehi. “It's never been about one player. It can never be about one player, because as soon as you're in that position, then your negotiation strength is over.

 

"So, no, we've tried for several targets, but it still has to be the right player though. And there isn't an unlimited number of players. It's not like you can, well, we'll just go on to the next one, the next one, the next one. Because then the quality dilutes and then you have to question whether you're doing the right thing for the long-term future of the club. "There isn't a bottomless pit of money. We're not able to spend that way. Everything that we do has a long-term consequence. So you've got to be very sure whatever you do is right for the long-term future and short-term future of the club.”

 

When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. 

“It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. 

“There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."

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47 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

Howe himself has confirmed we’ve bid big money for Guehi and Khusanov since the Anderson thing so there’s either money there to spend (and presumably more now since those bids) or the club genuinely don’t know what they’re doing. Based on the below quotes from the Summer, it sounds like we’re just being careful and waiting for the right deals/players.

 

 

“Without going into the individual situation here, we've tried to sign several players,” Howe admitted when asked about putting sole focus on signing one player in Guehi. “It's never been about one player. It can never be about one player, because as soon as you're in that position, then your negotiation strength is over.

 

"So, no, we've tried for several targets, but it still has to be the right player though. And there isn't an unlimited number of players. It's not like you can, well, we'll just go on to the next one, the next one, the next one. Because then the quality dilutes and then you have to question whether you're doing the right thing for the long-term future of the club. "There isn't a bottomless pit of money. We're not able to spend that way. Everything that we do has a long-term consequence. So you've got to be very sure whatever you do is right for the long-term future and short-term future of the club.”

 

When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. 

“It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. 

“There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."


We’re never signing anyone again then

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1 hour ago, Ellis H said:

Howe himself has confirmed we’ve bid big money for Guehi and Khusanov since the Anderson thing so there’s either money there to spend (and presumably more now since those bids) or the club genuinely don’t know what they’re doing. Based on the below quotes from the Summer, it sounds like we’re just being careful and waiting for the right deals/players.

 

 

“Without going into the individual situation here, we've tried to sign several players,” Howe admitted when asked about putting sole focus on signing one player in Guehi. “It's never been about one player. It can never be about one player, because as soon as you're in that position, then your negotiation strength is over.

 

"So, no, we've tried for several targets, but it still has to be the right player though. And there isn't an unlimited number of players. It's not like you can, well, we'll just go on to the next one, the next one, the next one. Because then the quality dilutes and then you have to question whether you're doing the right thing for the long-term future of the club. "There isn't a bottomless pit of money. We're not able to spend that way. Everything that we do has a long-term consequence. So you've got to be very sure whatever you do is right for the long-term future and short-term future of the club.”

 

When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. 

“It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. 

“There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."

 

Howe is 100% correct here, just look at Man Utd and some of the ridiculous signings they have made over the past few years. Chucked money at a problem and they could finish 4th bottom.

 

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

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4 hours ago, Ellis H said:

Howe himself has confirmed we’ve bid big money for Guehi and Khusanov since the Anderson thing so there’s either money there to spend (and presumably more now since those bids) or the club genuinely don’t know what they’re doing. Based on the below quotes from the Summer, it sounds like we’re just being careful and waiting for the right deals/players.

 

 

“Without going into the individual situation here, we've tried to sign several players,” Howe admitted when asked about putting sole focus on signing one player in Guehi. “It's never been about one player. It can never be about one player, because as soon as you're in that position, then your negotiation strength is over.

 

"So, no, we've tried for several targets, but it still has to be the right player though. And there isn't an unlimited number of players. It's not like you can, well, we'll just go on to the next one, the next one, the next one. Because then the quality dilutes and then you have to question whether you're doing the right thing for the long-term future of the club. "There isn't a bottomless pit of money. We're not able to spend that way. Everything that we do has a long-term consequence. So you've got to be very sure whatever you do is right for the long-term future and short-term future of the club.”

 

When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. 

“It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. 

“There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."

We would have had to make a big sale or a few smaller sales, if we had signed Guehi.

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I still don’t see Brentford letting him go for as “little” as 50m. 
 

I also think for what Mbeumo would cost we could almost get Samuele Ricci and Luis Henrique for the same money. Just an example. Admittedly not seen that that much of LH but the little I’ve seen I’ve liked. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I still don’t see Brentford letting him go for as “little” as 50m. 
 

I also think for what Mbeumo would cost we could almost get Samuele Ricci and Luis Henrique for the same money. Just an example. Admittedly not seen that that much of LH but the little I’ve seen I’ve liked. 

 

 

 

He’s off to Inter (Henrique).

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4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He’s off to Inter (Henrique).


Most likely yeah. But I’ve not seen anything near official so it doesn’t seem a done deal. Seems like they are in advanced negotiations. Unless I’ve missed something.

 

Still, my point stands as an example, like I said. 

 

 

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Can only see us going big on 2 players max really, so we can spread funds across the squad 

 

Which is why I thought the Cunha link was surprising, as that's a big expense that isn't RW or CB

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1 minute ago, Drewboy74 said:

Yes Gordon is hopeless up front. I've never seen Mbuemo play centrally hence the question. 


It’s a valid question. Me personally, I don’t think I’ve seen him play CF. I also wonder how he would play against teams sitting back a lot. 

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16 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Bloody use the loan market if needed too 

 

villa smashed it by doing so in jan 

 

It's a balancing act. Doesn't work, you are left with people who disrupt the changing room.

 

Asensio / Rashford / Diasi are all short term gambles. It already lead to Malen not be registered for UCL squad, and Watkins not start the biggest games in club history. Those feelings remain after those players head back to their clubs in summer.

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Loans should only be used for emergencies and to delay paying bigger fees for players, like we did for Hall. Otherwise it's not a longer term way to build a squad. 

 

With Botman back, we need to raise the ceiling at GK, RCB and RWF, then if there are funds left also get people that raise the floor at CM, CF, and LB. If we cover all of those our squad will look ridiculous going into next season

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3 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

 

Yeah, could see him suiting our style of play perfectly.

 

Both physically and technically. And his versatility is great too.

 

The fact he was also at Atletico Madrid even will be a factor, as Eddie draws from Simeone's style.

 

Having the Brazilians Joelinton, Bruno and Cunha would be pretty fun.

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Just now, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, could see him suiting our style of play perfectly.

 

Both physically and technically. And his versatility is great too.

 

The fact he was also at Atletico Madrid even will be a factor, as Eddie draws from Simeone's style.

 

Having the Brazilians Joelinton, Bruno and Cunha would be pretty fun.

Yeah I think he would give us options on our attack with his technicality. My fantasy would be him, Mbeumo, GK and RCB. Not sure if we can, but let’s see. Exciting summer either way! 

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