NUFC Transfer Rumours

[JonBez comesock]

2 hours ago, andycap said:

That's the problem with our players after this season, the majority will be unhappy with the way we haven't managed to find a solution all season to stringing a good run of form together.

And may think it's time to move on from this newcastle under eddie. 

Yes but 90% of them are the one to blame for this seasons shit show 

 

So let them leave and be just as shite elsewhere 

 

 

Edited May 26 by JonBez comesock

[oldtype]

2 hours ago, Kimbo said:

Tbh if you’re a player and you’re looking for reasons that things will be a lot better next year, I’m not sure what you would come up with. The only change I can see is we’ve hired Ross Wilson, which is a bit of a so what.

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

Edited May 26 by oldtype

[TRC]

9 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

 

It does feel like based on how we played each game we deserved the position we are in.

 

Unable to outplay weaker opponents consistently 

[oldtype]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

It does feel like based on how we played each game we deserved the position we are in.

 

Unable to outplay weaker opponents consistently 

 

I think it's fair to say that this season we were both: (1) shit; and (2) unlucky, which is typically what is necessary for a club that made the champions league last year to hit relegation form.

[Kimbo]

I’m not sure we were unlucky this season. Us losing points from winning positions is because our tactics are inflexible and we have poor game management. We can’t control possession and resist a press. It was a weakness even when we were good.

[Andy]

28 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

 

 

Get where you're coming from with this but you don't consistently concede late goals like we did through bad luck. 

 

I reckon if you re-ran that season 100 times with the same players available and the same tactical approach to each match, we'd end up in roughly the same position at the end of it all, based on nothing more than the eye test across the season. 

[Unlucky Luque]

It’s not like we suddenly fall apart in the 75th minute. We’ve played like dogshit for over a year, bar a couple of games. 

[CallumG6]

Bruno and Tonali to Chelsea. 

 

If you’re gonna make something up, at least make sure it’s fucking believable.

[Armchair Pundit]

Just got back from a couple of days away, nice to see other clubs getting their transfers underway, ahead of us as usual... considering the nonsense form last year that contributed to this year's failures and the absolute mountain of changes we need, I'd have expected us to have something lined up early on (still time I know, but it's going to piss me off is teams like Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea are able to get their ducks in order that quick while we're still sitting on our hands).

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, oldtype said:

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

 

[robbo_11]

Aside from Chelsea who've bought players to come in July from their French B team I don't think anyone else has anything lined up? The window opens mid June so you'd expect some movement from this point, but World Cup starting just before it might delay some players.

 

Gordon will go to Bayern, they're haggling over the fee and hoping player power makes us crumble. There interest from other clubs is likely us trying to ensure we get a fair deal. Tonali and Bruno won't go to Chelsea, but I could see us interested in Acheampong. It would be loan with obligation or permanent deal. We're surely not doing them any favours.

[toon25]

1 hour ago, oldtype said:

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

 

[oldtype]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

 

Get where you're coming from with this but you don't consistently concede late goals like we did through bad luck. 

 

I reckon if you re-ran that season 100 times with the same players available and the same tactical approach to each match, we'd end up in roughly the same position at the end of it all, based on nothing more than the eye test across the season. 

It's both. It's always both. 

 

This season was always going to be disappointing, but if you re-run it a 100 times I suspect a significant portion of those would be closer to "mildly to moderately disappointing" as opposed to the "what the fuck" that we got.

[LFEE]

What’s this Josh Acheampong like?

[TRC]

12 minutes ago, oldtype said:

It's both. It's always both. 

 

This season was always going to be disappointing, but if you re-run it a 100 times I suspect a significant portion of those would be closer to "mildly to moderately disappointing" as opposed to the "what the fuck" that we got.

If you go game by game I don’t think we were lucky or unlucky we were about right. 

[SteV]

16 minutes ago, LFEE said:

What’s this Josh Acheampong like?

He’s pretty good. 
 

Although he’s not currently a particular upgrade on what we have at present, so the suggestion that we’d loan him for a year seems fairly fanciful (unless some kind of Hall-esque obligation).

 

A permanent transfer would certainly be more believable.

[The Prophet]

[Fak]

Oh no. Alex Crook is turning into Alan Oliver

 

(.....is he still alive?)

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, oldtype said:

 

I think it's fair to say that this season we were both: (1) shit; and (2) unlucky, which is typically what is necessary for a club that made the champions league last year to hit relegation form.

It’s not unlucky to have the same thing happen week after week.  On that basis Burnley were unlucky. 

[Stuy_O]

3 hours ago, oldtype said:

 

If you're a player, the reason things may be a lot better next year is that they've been a lot better every other year under Howe other than this one.

 

We lost 27 points from winning positions this season. If you make us just a tiny bit luckier, have a couple of opposing goals hit the post, and drop that to 22 points (which is what 2nd place has), we are 7th and in the Europe Leauge.

 

If you drop it to 16 points (league average), we are fifth and in the Champions League

 

That's not to say we were not shit this season, but to illustrate that all of this operates on extremely fine margins. To draw the conclusion that we are not just fucked for this season (which we are), but fucked forever  is simply absurd.

 

Absolutely nothing could change about the quality of the team or the manager. We could just be slightly luckier and have a season that basically everyone will deem successful.

 

 

 

I get what you're saying and this is football in general.

 

 Let's be honest what's games have we been unlucky in though? Liverpool at home and maybe Chelsea at home, thats it. I keep seeing defeats by a single goal as an indicator of bad fortune. Every one of those losses was completely deserved. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by Stuy_O

[oldtype]

I think the difficulty here is that folks think that in saying we were unlucky, I'm arguing we weren't actually bad.

 

That's not the case. You can be both at the same time. 

[Stuy_O]

You can be all 3 in the same match and in the same passage of play, thats football.  If Minteh doesn't miss an open goal and makes it 2-2 we could and lets be honest probably would go on to lose that match, then who knows where we end up. 

 

You can also earn your luck, we won game all season after conceding first. 

 

 

Edited May 26 by Stuy_O

[Viana]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

 

Get where you're coming from with this but you don't consistently concede late goals like we did through bad luck. 

 

I reckon if you re-ran that season 100 times with the same players available and the same tactical approach to each match, we'd end up in roughly the same position at the end of it all, based on nothing more than the eye test across the season. 

I'd wager the truth is in the middle of what you both say. 

 

For all the stick we as a collective have given Howe, it's worth acknowledging that he had to redefine the team's attacking structure last summer. In Alexander Isak he had a complete centre forward that could do a bit of everything on top of being deceptively quick across the grass. The fact he had great chemistry with the team's wingers and midfielders only helped matters further as they knew what to deliver. 

 

Compare that to Nick Woltemade and things change quite drastically. Woltemade is technical, but he doesn't have the instincts of a traditional number nine, nor is he as quick or physically robust as Isak. Woltemade's habit of coming deep to link play is so different to Isak in terms of natural instincts.  I will say, Isak had the benefit of Callum Wilson doing the heavy lifting early on while he settled and Nick has had no such luxury.

 

The reason I bring all this up is to consider the ripple effect. It's easy to revise the past with Howe, but there were many a game I can think of whereby we scored in bunches and killed teams off. I'd be very interested to know what the average time was between us scoring a first and second goal, and how that compares across the last three seasons. I also think there is an intangible impact involved when switching from Isak to Woltemade, like defensive lines feeling more confident stepping up, and putting more pressure on us. 

 

People keep saying we had a shit summer window, but seem to disregard the fact we were rejected by a number of top targets. What makes it weirder is that for the early part of that window us being rejected was all they'd talk about. 

 

Right before we signed Woltemade we were said to be close on Benjamin Sesko. Outside of being tall lads in the Bundesliga I don't see many similarities. If anything, I'd say they're opposites. Woltemade is a refined false 9. Sesko is a brute force centre forward.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

People ultimately just want results and quickly lose patience for any explanation about why they haven't been there. 

 

We've been making this argument about how Wissa and Elanga were meant to deliver guaranteed G/A while Woltemade was integrated for most of the season.

[greydos]

I only want us to target players who are desperate to come here. Players like Botman was when he was following our players’ Instagram accounts from his old club. Players for whom we’re a step up, like Bruno who got dolled up in suit and make-up he was so happy to sign for us. 
 

Targetting Mbuemo, Pedro, Ekitike etc was a mistake.