Novocastrian Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Just now, Ben said: Bringing on a player @ 88 mins how can we even tell how good he is We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, Novocastrian said: We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football. Fair enough, I know its hard to bring in quality players, Ipswich spent £123 million and don't seemed to look much different, however I still feel our squad is weaker today than when last season finished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Just now, Ben said: Fair enough, I know its hard to bring in quality players, Ipswich spent £123 million and don't seemed to look much different, however I still feel our squad is weaker today than when last season finished It definitely is. Being able to add Minteh and Anderson as first team options to this group would have yielded us a couple of extra points for sure, versus what Osula or Kelly have added to the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 32 minutes ago, Novocastrian said: We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football. Not sure he did struggle against Wimbledon we just never got the ball to him as he had 5 defenders around him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 My guess with him is they are banking on his athletic traits and coaching up the rest. Not sure if it will work if he’s not gonna get any game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) I don't think there's any mystery about Osula, he was signed as a young third striker to take some minutes off the backs of Wilson and Isak. Because it's difficult to bring in a striker when you already have the first 2 spots locked down. Not to save a struggling team when everyone else is playing shit. Edited October 28 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Osula was not very good before we brought him here was he? And the cost was very low. Expecting him to be a starter/contributor for us seems like a bit of stretch. Not sure where we were going with that business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, rebelrouser said: Osula was not very good before we brought him here was he? And the cost was very low. Expecting him to be a starter/contributor for us seems like a bit of stretch. Not sure where we were going with that business. £10m rising to £15m isn't that low tbh. For that you should expect him to come on for 20 mins and provide some nuisance value at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Last time we'll use Tindall as a scout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 45 minutes ago, Weezertron said: Last time we'll use Tindall as a scout. Was that true about Tindall suggesting him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 This osula isn't good enough spiel is bollocks by the way. He's a big lad that has the physicality already, is rapid but doesn't get a chance under howe. We used to hoy wood up top regularly whatever the the circumstances where and he didn't offer much, so why not give the lad a chance of creating or scoring a goal when we are trailing is beyond me. He seems he'd rather put on Murphy and Longstaff instead of a forward when needing a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 19 minutes ago, andycap said: This osula isn't good enough spiel is bollocks by the way. He's a big lad that has the physicality already, is rapid but doesn't get a chance under howe. We used to hoy wood up top regularly whatever the the circumstances where and he didn't offer much, so why not give the lad a chance of creating or scoring a goal when we are trailing is beyond me. He seems he'd rather put on Murphy and Longstaff instead of a forward when needing a goal. 2 minutes when we are chasing the game is absolutely pathetic, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) I had a dream last night that we took all the Guehi money and spent it on Haaland in january instead. Just saying. Edited October 29 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 please check your carbon monoxide detectors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) Osula would have been great two seasons ago when we were smashing sides and had games won after 70 minutes. Bringing a young lad into this mess and expecting him to be the one to turn things around isn't going to happen. Another case of right player at the wrong time for me. Edited October 29 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Osula would have been great two seasons ago when we were smashing sides and had games won after 70 minutes. Bringing a young lad into this mess and expecting him to be the one to turn things around isn't going to happen. Another case of wrong player at the wrong time for me. I feel bad for the lad, came here to be third choice but obviously isn't trusted to perform that role so his ass will be well and truly wedded to the bench. Things obviously can change but as of now why we have any consideration for Wilson is absolutely beyond me, he's probably the most unreliable player in the league and placing any importance on his presence is obviously a stupid mistake. We didn't need a third choice striker at all we need an option who can stay fit and rotate with isak and provide us with other options up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 19 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I feel bad for the lad, came here to be third choice but obviously isn't trusted to perform that role so his ass will be well and truly wedded to the bench. Things obviously can change but as of now why we have any consideration for Wilson is absolutely beyond me, he's probably the most unreliable player in the league and placing any importance on his presence is obviously a stupid mistake. We didn't need a third choice striker at all we need an option who can stay fit and rotate with isak and provide us with other options up front. Nowt we can do if can't sell the fringe players like Wilson though, Osula was probably one of the better options we had available to us (Delap would never have come here as 3rd choice) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Nowt we can do if can't sell the fringe players like Wilson though, Osula was probably one of the better options we had available to us (Delap would never have come here as 3rd choice) Exactly so the mistake is a compound one, Wilson should have been moved on after the good season he had when he was worth something. Now he will end up leaving for nothing. And their was nothing stopping us replacing Wilson and letting Wilson become the third choice, we need to promote competition nobodies place in the team should be sacred, this is how you become complacent. it's been said repeatedly we have to learn to become good sellers but as of now we still haven't learnt that simple lesson. Let's hope Paul Mitchell understands these concepts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 10 hours ago, TRon said: £10m rising to £15m isn't that low tbh. For that you should expect him to come on for 20 mins and provide some nuisance value at least. Just for comparison, Morgan Rodgers cost Villa £8m rising up to £15m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 33 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Exactly so the mistake is a compound one, Wilson should have been moved on after the good season he had when he was worth something. Now he will end up leaving for nothing. And their was nothing stopping us replacing Wilson and letting Wilson become the third choice, we need to promote competition nobodies place in the team should be sacred, this is how you become complacent. it's been said repeatedly we have to learn to become good sellers but as of now we still haven't learnt that simple lesson. Let's hope Paul Mitchell understands these concepts. Yep, which is why I think we'll lose one or two in the summer. One big sale can be massive for a couple of windows, we need to get our heads around this. No doubt the rules will be amended again before the summer window though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 "I want us to sign young players who we can develop, so we can spread our cost and aid PSR." "Bah none of these players are ready for the first team, what a silly thing to do, now we have gaps in our first team." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: Yep, which is why I think we'll lose one or two in the summer. One big sale can be massive for a couple of windows, we need to get our heads around this. No doubt the rules will be amended again before the summer window though. We are probably a year too late on selling someone if I'm honest. Once squad cost comes in we are going to be up shits creek. It's alright though we keep handing out new contracts giving massive pay increases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Despite really clear examples of young players being held back by our management, only to perform when they’re eventually trusted and we are still using this as a stick to beat Howe with. Obviously recruitment is a related issue, but surely we can see that Howe’s approach to player development works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: We are probably a year too late on selling someone if I'm honest. Once squad cost comes in we are going to be up shits creek. It's alright though we keep handing out new contracts giving massive pay increases. Which is why I suggested Barnes will now be a depreciating asset. None of these are bad players, but unless we stick two fingers up to PSR and just sign players hoping it will all sort itself out, there's no way round it. We'll end up with an ever decreasing pot of transfer money to build a squad with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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