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Just now, Ben said:

 

Bringing on a player @ 88 mins how can we even tell how good he is

We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football.

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6 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football.

 

Fair enough, I know its hard to bring in quality players, Ipswich spent £123 million and don't seemed to look much different, however I still feel our squad is weaker today than when last season finished  

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Just now, Ben said:

 

Fair enough, I know its hard to bring in quality players, Ipswich spent £123 million and don't seemed to look much different, however I still feel our squad is weaker today than when last season finished  

It definitely is. 

Being able to add Minteh and Anderson as first team options to this group would have yielded us a couple of extra points for sure, versus what Osula or Kelly have added to the team. 

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32 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

We need to trust that Howe sees him in training and assesses that he’s not ready? PL is an unforgiving environment and he struggled against Wimbledon. Not sure what the answer is tbh but he needs regular football.

 

Not sure he did struggle against Wimbledon we just never got the ball to him as he had 5 defenders around him

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I don't think there's any mystery about Osula, he was signed as a young third striker to take some minutes off the backs of Wilson and Isak. Because it's difficult to bring in a striker when you already have the first 2 spots locked down. Not to save a struggling team when everyone else is playing shit. 

 

 

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Osula was not very good before we brought him here was he? And the cost was very low.  Expecting him to be a starter/contributor for us seems like a bit of stretch. Not sure where we were going with that business.  

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3 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

Osula was not very good before we brought him here was he? And the cost was very low.  Expecting him to be a starter/contributor for us seems like a bit of stretch. Not sure where we were going with that business.  

 

£10m rising to £15m isn't that low tbh. For that you should expect him to come on for 20 mins and provide some nuisance value at least.

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This osula isn't good enough spiel is bollocks by the way. 

He's a big lad that has the physicality already, is rapid but doesn't get a chance under howe. 

We used to hoy wood up top regularly whatever the the circumstances where and he didn't offer much, so why not give the lad a chance of creating or scoring a goal when we are trailing is beyond me. 

He seems he'd rather put on Murphy and Longstaff instead of a forward when needing a goal. 

 

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19 minutes ago, andycap said:

This osula isn't good enough spiel is bollocks by the way. 

He's a big lad that has the physicality already, is rapid but doesn't get a chance under howe. 

We used to hoy wood up top regularly whatever the the circumstances where and he didn't offer much, so why not give the lad a chance of creating or scoring a goal when we are trailing is beyond me. 

He seems he'd rather put on Murphy and Longstaff instead of a forward when needing a goal. 

 


2 minutes when we are chasing the game is absolutely pathetic, like.

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I had a dream last night that we took all the Guehi money and spent it on Haaland in january instead. Just saying.

 

 

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Osula would have been great two seasons ago when we were smashing sides and had games won after 70 minutes. Bringing a young lad into this mess and expecting him to be the one to turn things around isn't going to happen.

 

Another case of right player at the wrong time for me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Osula would have been great two seasons ago when we were smashing sides and had games won after 70 minutes. Bringing a young lad into this mess and expecting him to be the one to turn things around isn't going to happen.

 

Another case of wrong player at the wrong time for me.

I feel bad for the lad, came here to be third choice but obviously isn't trusted to perform that role so his ass will be well and truly wedded to the bench. 

 

Things obviously can change but as of now why we have any consideration for Wilson is absolutely beyond me, he's probably the most unreliable player in the league and placing any importance on his presence is obviously a stupid mistake. We didn't need a third choice striker at all we need an option who can stay fit and rotate with isak and provide us with other options up front. 

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19 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I feel bad for the lad, came here to be third choice but obviously isn't trusted to perform that role so his ass will be well and truly wedded to the bench. 

 

Things obviously can change but as of now why we have any consideration for Wilson is absolutely beyond me, he's probably the most unreliable player in the league and placing any importance on his presence is obviously a stupid mistake. We didn't need a third choice striker at all we need an option who can stay fit and rotate with isak and provide us with other options up front. 

 

Nowt we can do if can't sell the fringe players like Wilson though, Osula was probably one of the better options we had available to us (Delap would never have come here as 3rd choice)

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2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Nowt we can do if can't sell the fringe players like Wilson though, Osula was probably one of the better options we had available to us (Delap would never have come here as 3rd choice)

Exactly so the mistake is a compound one, Wilson should have been moved on after the good season he had when he was worth something. Now he will end up leaving for nothing. 

 

And their was nothing stopping us replacing Wilson and letting Wilson become the third choice, we need to promote competition nobodies place in the team should be sacred, this is how you become complacent. 

 

it's been said repeatedly we have to learn to become good sellers but as of now we still haven't learnt that simple lesson. Let's hope Paul Mitchell understands these concepts. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, TRon said:

 

£10m rising to £15m isn't that low tbh. For that you should expect him to come on for 20 mins and provide some nuisance value at least.

Just for comparison, Morgan Rodgers cost Villa £8m rising up to £15m.

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33 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Exactly so the mistake is a compound one, Wilson should have been moved on after the good season he had when he was worth something. Now he will end up leaving for nothing. 

 

And their was nothing stopping us replacing Wilson and letting Wilson become the third choice, we need to promote competition nobodies place in the team should be sacred, this is how you become complacent. 

 

it's been said repeatedly we have to learn to become good sellers but as of now we still haven't learnt that simple lesson. Let's hope Paul Mitchell understands these concepts. 

 

 

 

Yep, which is why I think we'll lose one or two in the summer. One big sale can be massive for a couple of windows, we need to get our heads around this. No doubt the rules will be amended again before the summer window though.

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"I want us to sign young players who we can develop, so we can spread our cost and aid PSR."

 

"Bah none of these players are ready for the first team, what a silly thing to do, now we have gaps in our first team."

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Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Yep, which is why I think we'll lose one or two in the summer. One big sale can be massive for a couple of windows, we need to get our heads around this. No doubt the rules will be amended again before the summer window though.

We are probably a year too late on selling someone if I'm honest. Once squad cost comes in we are going to be up shits creek. 

 

It's alright though we keep handing out new contracts giving massive pay increases. :lol:

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Despite really clear examples of young players being held back by our management, only to perform when they’re eventually trusted and we are still using this as a stick to beat Howe with.

 

Obviously recruitment is a related issue, but surely we can see that Howe’s approach to player development works

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1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

We are probably a year too late on selling someone if I'm honest. Once squad cost comes in we are going to be up shits creek. 

 

It's alright though we keep handing out new contracts giving massive pay increases. :lol:

 

Which is why I suggested Barnes will now be a depreciating asset. None of these are bad players, but unless we stick two fingers up to PSR and just sign players hoping it will all sort itself out, there's no way round it. We'll end up with an ever decreasing pot of transfer money to build a squad with.

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