NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Deuce]

1 hour ago, Unbelievable said:

 

Mate, I've been advocating selling and re-investing to accelerate our growth, and explaining that we cannot continue to spend like we have done as some seemed to think, for well over a year.

 

I did some more digging on the commercial revenue growth rate. It stands at 42% year on year (starting 2022 their first full year and presuming the 2024 forecast is correct). At that rate, it will develop as such:

• 2025: 96m
• 2026: 146m
• 2027: 220m
• 2028: 333 (more than Man U currently)
• 2029: 504 (more than Man City currently)

Good enough for you..?

 

 

 

At this rate we’ll reach hundreds of billions in no time

[andyc35i]

8 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

Yes please

I can really see us going for players of the profile of Dibling as the RW and Khusanov as the CB. I wouldn’t be against this sort of business happening in the summer 

[Ben]

Bring him home

[High Five o]

1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

The issue with those projections is that we've already picked the low-hanging fruit with Adidas and Sela. They're the big-ticket items.

 

That uptick from £46m to £64m is impressive, but it's going to be hard enough to find another £18m to match that growth, nevermind an additional £32m to take us to your 2025 projection. 

Have we really?

Training kit sponsor.

Stadium sponsor?

 

I believe we have only scratched the surface.

 

We also need a tractor partner, aftershave partner, logistics partner etc…

[Keegans Export]

28 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Have we really?

Training kit sponsor.

Stadium sponsor?

 

I believe we have only scratched the surface.

 

We also need a tractor partner, aftershave partner, logistics partner etc…

What's the going rate for training kit sponsors these days, maybe £10m at the very most? Certainly not comparable to shirt sponsor or kit manufacturer money. 

 

Like I say, there are definitely opportunities for us but the high value ones are already signed. 

[toon25]

34 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Have we really?

Training kit sponsor.

Stadium sponsor?

 

I believe we have only scratched the surface.

 

We also need a tractor partner, aftershave partner, logistics partner etc…

 

Bog roll sponsor

[Mike]

On 27/12/2024 at 08:11, Dokko said:

 

 

 

 

"Uzbek Wolf" and it fades in to him looking like he just kicked out of a finisher at Wrestlemania. Get him signed.

[High Five o]

4 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

What's the going rate for training kit sponsors these days, maybe £10m at the very most? Certainly not comparable to shirt sponsor or kit manufacturer money. 

 

Like I say, there are definitely opportunities for us but the high value ones are already signed. 

All true, but it’s the sum of all parts. 10m training kit sponsor, and 10 deals under FMV value at 900k is +/-20m pr season. I am sure some smart minds at the club have several other deals lined up as well.

 

Personally I had hoped we would move faster, but at the same time I am quite confident we will grow at a steady rate.

And let’s be honest, to catch up with the top 6 in 4-5 years is kind of impossible and unrealistic imo.

[cubaricho]

40 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Personally I had hoped we would move faster, but at the same time I am quite confident we will grow at a steady rate.

My take is that we probably waited until we got CL so that the FMV would be at its highest but we got dropped out too quickly for them to really stick and now we’re waiting for CL again to get peak FMV. 

[relámpago blanco]

6 hours ago, Dan Gleebals said:

If thats true, I dont really mind another window of no spend, as that would open up the summer which is way better to do business in.

My only caution would be that if another player (RW) could come in, would that strengthen our case for 5th or above this season as that really would make a massive difference on a number of levels.

Tough one.

Not losing anyone and getting in some high ceiling youth would work for me, especially when you see how quickly tino and hall have come on. 

I would normally want to sign someone to improve us but even if we dropped 50 million on a winger Eddie wouldn't be starting him regularly for a couple of months at least. He's only just found Tonalis role he trusts him truly in in the last few games. 

[SteV]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

Watching Hope’s latest video he seems surprisingly bullish about our interest in Dibling. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

 

Mate, I've been advocating selling and re-investing to accelerate our growth, and explaining that we cannot continue to spend like we have done as some seemed to think, for well over a year.

 

I did some more digging on the commercial revenue growth rate. It stands at 42% year on year (starting 2022 their first full year and presuming the 2024 forecast is correct). At that rate, it will develop as such:

• 2025: 96m
• 2026: 146m
• 2027: 220m
• 2028: 333 (more than Man U currently)
• 2029: 504 (more than Man City currently)

Good enough for you..?

 

 

 

Except the biggest commercial deals - kit manufacturer, shirt sponsors - are now tied up for a few years.  Growth at the beginning was always likely to be at a high pace - particularly given where the Ashley regime had left the commercials.  There isn’t any sort of realistic chance of growth continuing at that pace, particularly given the likely wait for a new stadium.  

[The College Dropout]

6 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

 

Mate, I've been advocating selling and re-investing to accelerate our growth, and explaining that we cannot continue to spend like we have done as some seemed to think, for well over a year.

 

I did some more digging on the commercial revenue growth rate. It stands at 42% year on year (starting 2022 their first full year and presuming the 2024 forecast is correct). At that rate, it will develop as such:

• 2025: 96m
• 2026: 146m
• 2027: 220m
• 2028: 333 (more than Man U currently)
• 2029: 504 (more than Man City currently)

Good enough for you..?

 

 

 

The rate of growth YoY is currently so high in large part down to the underdevelopment of Ashley. Unless the owners change tact the rate of growth will slow - rapidly.  

You might think we are trending towards £504m commercial revenue in 5 years but I don’t think the club share tbat opinion as things stand.  Where do we get the next 40% from? The biggest ticket items are signed up for the next 4-5 years.  And then the next 40% after that? 

5 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

The issue with those projections is that we've already picked the low-hanging fruit with Adidas and Sela. They're the big-ticket items.

 

That uptick from £46m to £64m is impressive, but it's going to be hard enough to find another £18m to match that growth, nevermind an additional £32m to take us to your 2025 projection. 

Basically this. Continued 30% growth YoY is unsustainable with our current approach.  This year is CL and Adidas money. How are we getting that growth this season? £27m is gone from the CL. 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, High Five o said:

All true, but it’s the sum of all parts. 10m training kit sponsor, and 10 deals under FMV value at 900k is +/-20m pr season. I am sure some smart minds at the club have several other deals lined up as well.

 

Personally I had hoped we would move faster, but at the same time I am quite confident we will grow at a steady rate.

And let’s be honest, to catch up with the top 6 in 4-5 years is kind of impossible and unrealistic imo.

This is my point. To continue growth we’ll need a change of tact. There’s nothing stopping us from doing 2 year deals in this very manner but we haven’t. 

[TheBrownBottle]

17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The rate of growth YoY is currently so high in large part down to the underdevelopment of Ashley. Unless the owners change tact the rate of growth will slow - rapidly.  

You might think we are trending towards £504m commercial revenue in 5 years but I don’t think the club share tbat opinion as things stand.  Where do we get the next 40% from? The biggest ticket items are signed up for the next 4-5 years.  And then the next 40% after that? 

Basically this. Continued 30% growth YoY is unsustainable with our current approach.  This year is CL and Adidas money. How are we getting that growth this season? £27m is gone from the CL. 

Yep.  It’s important to remember that our commercial revenue when Ashley sold was less than it was when he bought the club.  That sort of commercial mismanagement is unheard of in football - there’s nothing spectacular about our commercial performance to date.  Just allowing for inflation alone, if our commercials had stood still since 2007 they would be sat at c.£42m; and football’s commercial revenues have exploded since then.  NUFC having £60m+ commercials isn’t impressive; it’s about par if the club had been run in a mediocre fashion, never mind mismanaged.  What would be impressive would be to get that well above what would normally be possible.  I hope they can. 

[Unbelievable]

Low and behold, the very same posters who were saying a couple of weeks ago that we had only done minor deals and fherefore failed to reach the 30% growth target in 2024 (link; proven wrong) are now clamouring over each other to predict the growth target is unrealistic going forward.

 

Here’s an idea: why don’t you show some faith and patience in this ownership, who have been on the mark in pretty much every aspect of the running of this club?

 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:56 by Unbelievable

[Pixelphish]

11 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

I like to think the forum has manifested this into existence.

[Ben]

8 hours ago, SteV said:

Watching Hope’s latest video he seems surprisingly bullish about our interest in Dibling. 

 

Now that would be a quality signing 

[Ikon]

Get him in before disgusting Liverpool. Even if we never play him it’s worth it because we won’t have to hear about Dibling at Liverpool for the rest of our lives when he becomes silly good. 
 

Genuinely would much rather have him than Mbeumo. Not the finished article but way way more natural talent.

[black_n_white]

I’ll be surprised if we don’t try to get extra cover at right centerback this January. Eddie doesn’t seem to confident playing who left footed centerbacks in the same team.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Ikon said:

Get him in before disgusting Liverpool. Even if we never play him it’s worth it because we won’t have to hear about Dibling at Liverpool for the rest of our lives when he becomes silly good. 
 

Genuinely would much rather have him than Mbeumo. Not the finished article but way way more natural talent.

 

Personally feel Mbueno is a non starter for us. Out of the age/fee/salary categories he only ticks the salary box. No way we’ll pay the fee rumoured for someone turning 26 as the 25/26 season starts. Time we maybe would’ve picked him up was if available when we went for Harvey Barnes a year and an half ago who’s just turned 27 which i still think has been our only indulgent signing but probably justified with the all the expected fixtures the previous season. Annoying he got injured and missed most of it when we were at our bare bones. That and the Tonali suspension really screwed our roadmap of 23/24.

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, Ikon said:

Get him in before disgusting Liverpool. Even if we never play him it’s worth it because we won’t have to hear about Dibling at Liverpool for the rest of our lives when he becomes silly good. 
 

Genuinely would much rather have him than Mbeumo. Not the finished article but way way more natural talent.

I can see Liverpool trying to buy both Bakayoko and Dibling. One for today, the other for the future.

[ExiledGeordie]

1 hour ago, black_n_white said:

I’ll be surprised if we don’t try to get extra cover at right centerback this January. Eddie doesn’t seem to confident playing who left footed centerbacks in the same team.

It’s definitely an area of concern I agree. If Schar was to be missing for a good few weeks we’re severely limited. 

[Unbelievable]

2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

It’s definitely an area of concern I agree. If Schar was to be missing for a good few weeks we’re severely limited. 

Krafth is supposed to be nearly fully fit again, isn't he?

 

Anyway, I think we will have priority targets whom we'll move for if they become available at the right price, but if not we'll happily go with what we've got and wait to do our business in the summer. The pursuit for the best academy prospects will go on regardless.

[ExiledGeordie]

7 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Krafth is supposed to be nearly fully fit again, isn't he?

 

Anyway, I think we will have priority targets whom we'll move for if they become available at the right price, but if not we'll happily go with what we've got and wait to do our business in the summer. The pursuit for the best academy prospects will go on regardless.

Yep agreed, forgot about Krafth too to be fair. As someone posted not that long on here a new RW addition to add goals and creatively has the potential to fire us into the champions league.