NUFC Transfer Rumours

[nemtizz]

21 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Pace at the back please, if today's game showed us anything it’s how one paced much of our team is outside of Tonali and the front 3

 

Can't keep relying on Tino being in the right place at the right time either

[lovejoy]

22 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Wiki heights are unreliable, no chance he's 5'11. The other lad is meant to be 6'2 (which could also be wrong).

 

Dibling looks like he'll be a physical player imo, he's not as tall but has that Vardy/Delap type stature from the little I've seen.

Ah ok, fair enough. Didn’t realise they weren’t reliable with heights etc 👍🏼

[MagCA]

Please Paul go find some bargains around Europe. 
 

Buy low, sell high. 

[KaKa]

Kerkez, Zabarnyi, Huijsen, Kluivert, Semenyo, Ouattara ...

 

All were really good today for Bournemouth.

 

All were bought for excellent value.

 

Need to be brave in the market and look at some players that are not household names, but that can come in and perform in Howe's system.

[joeyt]

Just now, KaKa said:

Kerkez, Zabarnyi, Huijsen, Kluivert, Semenyo, Ouattara ...

 

All were really good today for Bournemouth.

 

All were bought for excellent value.

 

Need to be brave in the market and look at some players that are not household names, but that can come in and perform in Howe's system.

 

Feel like we never do those type of transfers. We either go for transformative signings, expensive English players or youngsters nowhere near first team level ready

 

Huijsen should have been a no brainer

[Yorkie]

58 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Shame we aren’t able to strengthen, mentioned yesterday I thought we would need help in the market to get Europe. Frustrating that we aren’t able to do anything for the 3rd successive window.

 

It's enough to almost make you feel apathetic. It's the ideal time to strike in the market for us but we can't because reasons. Such bollocks. 

[Weezertron]

Yep. Need some 10-20m gems. How long have we been crying about our lack of quality after the first 11 (plus a couple). 

[ponsaelius]

We're possibly rightly scared of missing in the market TBF. Going for English players and expensive 'transformative' players has been a safer, if more expensive, bet. 

 

We can't afford to end up padding out the squad with lots of players who are relatively cheap but ultimately end up being swing and misses, particularly when we also struggle so much to move squad players out.

 

Do think we need to be better at finding value, but that's surely the point of hiring Mitchell. 

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Kerkez, Zabarnyi, Huijsen, Kluivert, Semenyo, Ouattara ...

 

All were really good today for Bournemouth.

 

All were bought for excellent value.

 

Need to be brave in the market and look at some players that are not household names, but that can come in and perform in Howe's system.

 

 

I was surprised how good they were at retaining possession tbh, they do seem to have some decent players. It's one thing to physically outmuscle us, but they managed to knock it about better when they were pressed in return.

[MagCA]

6 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Feel like we never do those type of transfers. We either go for transformative signings, expensive English players or youngsters nowhere near first team level ready

 

Huijsen should have been a no brainer

Would argue Botman, Bruno fall into this category. More of those please. 

[Infinitely Content]

Can understand the reticence though, we literally can't afford to get a transfer wrong, most teams can't tbf. 

Edit: What @ponsaelius said.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Infinitely Content

[Yorkie]

11 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Kerkez, Zabarnyi, Huijsen, Kluivert, Semenyo, Ouattara ...

 

All were really good today for Bournemouth.

 

All were bought for excellent value.

 

Need to be brave in the market and look at some players that are not household names, but that can come in and perform in Howe's system.

 

9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Feel like we never do those type of transfers. We either go for transformative signings, expensive English players or youngsters nowhere near first team level ready

 

Huijsen should have been a no brainer

 

Combined with @ponsaelius and @Infinitely Content's points about risk, Bournemouth made those signings with aspirations of mid-table. Much less of a gamble.

[ponsaelius]

It is not easy to find value, and it's always easy to look at the successful punts in hindsight with success bias. Mid-table clubs often sign a load of these kind of players and can end up going backwards in the short term but can absorb that because their goals are different. 

 

Khusanov sounded like he could be a value option but that fee seemed to balloon as soon as city were involved, so the type of club buying a player does seem to sometimes get charged at a premium too. Would be amazed if Juve didn't double the Huijsen asking price if we were involved (probably still have been a good signing).

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ponsaelius

[clintdempsey]

We were rumoured to be looking at Huijsen this summer but seemed to put all eggs in the Guehi-basket instead. We were linked with Kerkez a few years ago as well. We're there, we just need to find a way to take more "risks" in the market I'd say.

[janpawel]

1 minute ago, ponsaelius said:

It is not easy to find value, and it's always easy to look at the successful punts in hindsight with success bias. Mid-table clubs often sign a load of these kind of players and can end up going backwards in the short term but can absorb that because their goals are different. 

 

Khusanov sounded like he could be a value option but that fee seemed to balloon as soon as city were involved, so the type of club buying a player does seem to sometimes get charged at a premium too. Would be amazed if Juve didn't double the Huijsen asking price if we were involved.

Agreed, though Huijsen was outrageous value, wasn't he wanted by Barca etc? 

 

For £13M he would've been worth a punt, even if he was squad player / midtable level after a few years, we'd surely be able to sell him to a foreign club for what was paid. I know what you mean about Newcastle prices, but since he went for 13, I'm sure in the area of this is what he'd go for regardless 

 

But like I've mentioned before, we had our Guehi goggles on, we'd have probably rather have gotten Guehi over prime Maldini last summer 

[MagCA]

25 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

 

Combined with @ponsaelius and @Infinitely Content's points about risk, Bournemouth made those signings with aspirations of mid-table. Much less of a gamble.

Did they?

 

Bill Foley has been very on the record about getting Bournemouth into Europe. 

[KaKa]

24 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

 

Combined with @ponsaelius and @Infinitely Content's points about risk, Bournemouth made those signings with aspirations of mid-table. Much less of a gamble.

 

That hesitency might ultimately be what does us in.

 

The good thing about those type of signings is that not only are they cheaper, but their salaries are much lower too.

 

Therefore, if they don't pan out you'll likely get most of your money back because they'll be easy to move on.

 

Far more likely to get screwed if a big money signing doesn't work out.

 

We've gone multiple windows ignoring certain positions instead of taking a look at signings in this mould that could have helped us at least get into Europe as we were so close and mostly have a good first team, so we can improve our revenue by being involved in European competitions regularly.

 

We don't have to fill the whole team with these types but a few of them that we can still manage when we don't have as much money could be key.

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, MagCA said:

Did they?

 

Bill Foley has been very on the record about getting Bournemouth into Europe. 

 

Aspiration's probably the wrong word because I suppose the vast majority would want to get into Europe. But a club like Bournemouth is absolutely planning first for survival or consolidation. Using your finances on 'accessibly'-priced unproven talent from the continent is okay for that plan, and if they exceed expectations, what a bonus. 

[andyc35i]

But that doesn’t mean the players they will then sign are not high quality additions no matter if their aspirations are lower. For example, every time I watched Kluivert play for Ajax, I was always impressed by him. I know he moved on a few times after that, but we need to be taking ‘risks’ with players like him that are clearly talented. Especially when he ends up costing €10m at 23 and still had time to grow

[Weezertron]

All I know is if we only continue to target 50million prem players, it'll take 2 decades to get a decent squad. Unless we keep buying proven prem players and really push the youth through, but that the youth route seems unlikely.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Weezertron said:

All I know is if we only continue to target 50million prem players, it'll take 2 decades to get a decent squad.

 

Exactly.

 

And then ultimately what's the point of all the scouting and data then?!

 

Anyone can just go after the players that are banging in goals and assisting every week.

[Sibierski]

Think even if we sign youth, it needs to come with backing for Howe higher above to play them and accept some ups and downs.

 

Like let’s not kid ourselves, no injuries last season, Hall barely features and probably doesn’t get the break early this season, same with Tino. Seeing same with Osula. People will say it’s Howe managing the players, which to a degree it is, but he’s also probably under pressure he needs UCL/Europe so may not feel ready to play younger players unless hand is forced too.

 

Could sign a young pacey CB, dynamic CM or RW, but wouldn’t expect them to start over senior pros unless they got injured. 
 

Squad stuck in an impasse it feels. The XI that started plus Schar (who’s contact ends in summer) is main team, then rest are not favoured unless forced and Miley in that young situation mentioned earlier. 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sibierski

[cubaricho]

We need to get both types of players everyone is talking about, not just one or the other. We need the unproven up and comers to raise the floor but we also need ready made players to come in and make a difference quickly and raise the ceiling.
 

It’s a delicate balancing act and I’m glad I’m not in charge of making these decisions that’s for sure. I’m just here for the good football.  

[Ellis H]

It isn’t like it was under Pardew, Bruce etc where a new signing would start at 7/10 for talent and quickly become a 5/10 at best so we had to be a lot more careful. It’s often the opposite under Howe so we should really be putting faith in him doing that with some calculated gambles. It might just be the difference between Champions League or not.

[Unbelievable]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, although we would have had longer to try and make that money back. Still frustrating we don’t seem willing to get sponsors in tbh.

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