NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Sibierski]

Someone like Mbeumo would tick that 2nd striker option whilst being RW, but his signing is peak value with little resale profit. So maybe Delap could be the opportunistic move we’ve done in past, with RW to be a low cost shrewd signing, which Mitchell is there for.

 

Say we have £60m earmarked for ST/RW. Would people like it to be Delap £40m and RW £20m, or DCL £0 and Mbeumo £55m.

[ponsaelius]

19 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

The way we've worked previously is to strike if we think there's a great deal to be had, even if that position isn't an immediate priority. There's a few examples of this; Livramento is probably the biggest of all imo cos we had Trippier, Krafth and Ashby as RB options; Guehi would've been another. For that reason I can see us definitely being in the race for Delap if he's available at a competitive price. 

 

That's a good point TBF. 

[andycap]

All depends how much we have to spend, if we can bring a few free transfers in like walker Peters for both fullback positions, dcl maybes as backup striker he's free I think. 

Then we could spend on centre half and right wing a decent amount 

I'd take the celtic right winger. 

[Roids]

25 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Someone like Mbeumo would tick that 2nd striker option whilst being RW, but his signing is peak value with little resale profit. So maybe Delap could be the opportunistic move we’ve done in past, with RW to be a low cost shrewd signing, which Mitchell is there for.

 

Say we have £60m earmarked for ST/RW. Would people like it to be Delap £40m and RW £20m, or DCL £0 and Mbeumo £55m.

Mbuemo, solves two positions, proven and is the far superior player.

 

Delap isn't that good and definitely not worth spending £40m as a backup where there are more immediate issues

 

Mbuemo is also only 25, near perfect age. 

 

 

Edited April 2 by Roids

[The College Dropout]

47 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

It’s not like. Miley has for the most part done pretty well whenever he’s had more than a few minutes to see a game out.  If we’re not going to trust Miley to get some minutes as a backup/rotation option next year we may as well sell him. 

He's going to be 19/20. It's not crazy that he might not be ready to play 45 games for a team that's playing in the CL and wants to qualify for it again.

 

Happy for Howe to decide if he's ready or not. But at the moment he's only trusted to see games out - that's not enough. A 4th choice CB and CM are not "backup" players IMO. The drop off needs to be minimal. City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Villa, Spurs - all have far more depth at CM than we do.

 

25 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

We’ve seen some evolution this season of almost being a 4-4-2, so a 2nd striker or someone that’s clearly more suited through the middle would get loads of minutes and be as valuable as other outfield positions.

 

Like Man Utd have Zirkzee to go up top, Villa have two in Rashford replacing Duran, Chelsea have two in Nkunku/Jackson, Liverpool as mentioned, Spurs have two in Solanke/ Richarlison, Man City signed Marmoush as they only had Haaland. Arsenal weirdly have Jesus/Havertz.

 

Big sides have two IMO, Gordon as that 2nd for us is never it. We all say it when he plays up top, and I’m sure it’s a viewpoint expressed by Howe too behind closed doors, and for one reason or another, Osula hasn’t been that this season for us.

IMO a top striker is going to be one of the least rotated players in a team. That's why most teams don't have a top backup player.

 

Man U are shit and have shit options. They signed Zirkzee because their main man striker is a kid (and shit).

 

Villa have 1 striker. Their now backup striker is primarily a LW who can play uptop (worse than Gordon IMO) if needed. There's a reason Villa's strikers were - a main one and a kid. As soon as the kid got good they sold him. They didn't replace him with another striker. They signed a first-choice LW who can fill in uptop if needed. That's how top teams are building their squads.

 

Chelsea have 1 striker. Nkunku has played the majority of his games at AM/10 or LW. He's not a 9 or a backup striker. He's a AM or LW. Chelsea have horrible squad building so their squad doesn't make sense.

 

Man City have 1 striker. Marmoush still gets minutes when Haaland starts at 10 or LW. Prior to Marmoush they had Alvarez who also regularly started with Haaland at 10 or wide.

 

Jesus and Richarlison are physically shot which is why their clubs have effectively replaced them. Although Havertz was signed to play as an 8 in the same team as Jesus.

 

None of these clubs (except Man U) have a striker that will sit on the bench while the other striker plays. Marmoush, Rashford and even Havertz were signed to play alongside the main striker - not to sit on the bench. Delap would join and sit on the bench. If we sign a backup striker, their primary position will be RW IMO. And even then Howe would line-up Barnes Gordon New RW.

 

If we sign Delap - it would be with a view to sell him or Isak in 12-months. Delap would start for Man U and most clubs.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Tiresias said:

We're definitely after a right winger, if we bring one in that is going to score a lot more goals from that side it makes the striker issue slightly less pressing, it kinda depends if Howe thinks Osula is the long term answer. I wouldn't be against us getting some veteran journeyman on a short term deal as cover

I said it when he left. Chris Wood is as good a backup striker a non-elite team could have for a few seasons.

 

There's not many rattling about.

[nufc123]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Apart from Liverpool, no other top club has a proper "backup striker"

Depends what you call backup striker. Liverpool, Spurs, Manu, Arsenal all have two players capable of leading the line for several games. 

 

 

Edited April 2 by nufc123

[PRL]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Apart from Liverpool, no other top club has a proper "backup striker" that can't play anywhere else. Even Liverpool all can play multiple positions with the possible exception of Nunez. It's not good value for money to have a singular backup striker unless the player is accepted to be substandard. They won't get enough guaranteed minutes.

 

Forest have a backup striker. He doesn't get minutes. City's backup striker gets most of his minutes off the wings.

 

The 4th choice CM gets a lot more minutes than the backup striker.

 

I do think Howe will have to change his tactics if we get into the CL. Isak pressing the way he does, he'll have to get subbed regularly at the hour.

So, Howe will have to change his tactics, which he hasn't done to date, or a backup striker would play a minimum of 30% of our minutes, in the best case scenario that Isak is fit all season, something he hasn't ever been?

 

City now have Marmoush who can play up front, with Alvarez before, Arsenal have been absolutely shown up due to lacking strikers, Liverpool have the best and deepest forward line in the league (albeit there's a few grumbles of late, but Diaz, Jota, Nunez, Salah and Gakpo are all pedigree players) and are running away with the league despite not playing scintillating football for big chunks of the season. 

 

Miley, with a proper pre-season, maybe another young CM with a high ceiling in January or next summer (someone like Rigg), plus Willock, would be a reasonable back up line. Elliot, Jones, etc have only come through at Liverpool by playing games. At some point in 18 - 36 months Miley should ideally be passing one of our current CMs and claiming a first team spot - he can only do that with game time. I hate shit like footballtransfers but I'm assuming they're using some kind of objective metrics and they have Miley in the top 20 (17th) most valuable under 20s in the world, very close to Dibling (15th) and Nwenari (14th). I'd rather he was next in line for us next season, we established his best position and didn't send on loan or push down pecking order, with limited resources available.

[Thumbheed]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I said it when he left. Chris Wood is as good a backup striker a non-elite team could have for a few seasons.

 

There's not many rattling about.

 

I don't think he didn't suit our style of football at all. 

 

We need attacking players who can operate in tight spaces and he doesn't have that to his game.

 

 

[Sibierski]

41 minutes ago, Roids said:

Mbuemo, solves two positions, proven and is the far superior player.

 

Delap isn't that good and definitely not worth spending £40m as a backup where there are more immediate issues

 

Mbuemo is also only 25, near perfect age. 

 

 

 

Not that good based on? I’d like to think Howe would take someone like Delap (players that are eager to learn/develop) to new levels and £40m will be great buy.
 

For other post about free transfers, do we really want to clog squad up with guys like KWP/DCL that don’t move the needle at all and could become a burden. We got lucky (might still not be the case depending how Juve season goes) with shifting Kelly on. 

[The College Dropout]

10 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Depends what you call backup striker. Liverpool, Spurs, Manu, Arsenal all have two players capable of leading the line for several games. 

 

 

 

Truthfully all of these clubs have a striker quality issue. None of them have an A grade striker backed up by C+ striker. 
 

Liverpool have several B options at 9. All but 1 of which can play at LW too. Most of the time 2 of their strikers will play a the same time. 
 

Richarlison is shot.  Jesus is shot. Havertz and Solanke is £120m worth of striker. They are not backups. 
 

 

Us, City and Villa have A grade forwards. Their backups play most of their minutes with the main striker. 

 

 

Edited April 2 by The College Dropout

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Truthfully all of these clubs have a striker quality issue. None of them have an A grade striker backed up by C+ striker. 
 

Liverpool have several B options at 9. All but 1 of which can play at LW too. Most of the time 2 of their strikers will play a the same time. 
 

Richarlison is shot.  Jesus is shot. Havertz and Solanke is £120m worth of striker. They are not backups. 

Richarlison, Jesus, The Liverpools are all still better options than ours b, c and ds.

[Sibierski]

I’d also argue the best Man City version was one that had two strikers in Aguero/Jesus.

 

I 100% believe clubs will from next season onwards want to have two strikers because of how the game is evolving. Sides are building up more in a 3-2 + whatever shape, and that shape is either 4 attacking mids and one striker, or 3 attacking mids and 2 strikers. The goal threats are the strikers if wide men are not racking them up. 

[Smal]

big strikers are coming back because teams want to play long over a press as well now, instead of trying to play through it with link-up strikers etc. 

 

Be ideal if we can bring Delap in tbh. He is young and will develop into a better player than he is now. I don’t really see it as him being 2nd choice either, there’s so many games, especially if we do well in the cups which we seem to under Eddie.

 

 

Edited April 2 by Smal

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Richarlison, Jesus, The Liverpools are all still better options than ours b, c and ds.

Neither Jesus or Richarlison actually play. 
 

Both were signed for big fees with the intention to start.  Same with Nunez. 
 

I would be happy for us to sign a striker that would largely play RW like Liverpools strikers can play LW or in Jota’s case RW too.   I would not be happy to have a £80m backup striker like Liverpool currently have though.  

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

would be happy for us to sign a striker that would largely play RW like Liverpools strikers can play LW or in Jota’s case RW too.   I would not be happy to have a £80m backup striker like Liverpool currently have though.  

Agree on that, but we must sign a back up striker in some form. Osula/Gordon wont win us many games.

[Infinitely Content]

1 minute ago, nufc123 said:

Agree on that, but we must sign a back up striker in some form. Osula/Gordon wont win us many games.

Signing a back up striker who is a level above Osula/Gordon in that position ie. Wilson is extremely unlikely; certainly for us, but even for Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Liverpool. It just doesn't happen these days. It is even more unlikely given we have Isak who is one of the best in the world, making it an even tougher task persuading a highly sought after prospect, or a more developed player to come in. They would know they can't reach his heights and truly challenge his position. 

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

I’d also argue the best Man City version was one that had two strikers in Aguero/Jesus.

 

I 100% believe clubs will from next season onwards want to have two strikers because of how the game is evolving. Sides are building up more in a 3-2 + whatever shape, and that shape is either 4 attacking mids and one striker, or 3 attacking mids and 2 strikers. The goal threats are the strikers if wide men are not racking them up. 

Well Man City decided to get a striker who will primarily play with Haaland in Jan. ditto Villa with Watkins and Rashford. Thats the move. We already have that with Gordon and strongest bench player is Gordon’s primary positions backup.  We could do it with a Mbeumo type player too.  
 

The alternatives are have a young player who might develop i to the main man shortly or be sold.  Osula is possibly that. Wouldn’t mind getting another cheap one.  At Delap’s price either he or Isak will need to be sold after 1 year.  Which is a fine strategy imo.  Not every move needs to be long term. If I’m Delap I’m not risking it though.  

 

Or an aging striker like Wilson that we already have. 
 

I do think if you have a Grade A striker. It’s the managers responsibility (and the players) to ensure they can play 85% of minutes he needs too. All the top players have always done that. Your best player is going to play a lot of minutes. ISAK’s physicality has improved this season, it needs to go another level again. You can’t burn the clutch out of a top talent like Isak.  
 

Central midfielders yeah you might have to push to their limits physically. Thats why you need top quality on the bench. 

[Funtime Frankie]

25 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Not that good based on? I’d like to think Howe would take someone like Delap (players that are eager to learn/develop) to new levels and £40m will be great buy.
 

For other post about free transfers, do we really want to clog squad up with guys like KWP/DCL that don’t move the needle at all and could become a burden. We got lucky (might still not be the case depending how Juve season goes) with shifting Kelly on. 

Not sure DCL or KWP will clog up squad. Both have proven records in premiership and offer a good backup to starting 11.

 

DCL under the only really good manager in Evertons recent history got a real tune out of him and KWP with better players around him will offer versatility and rotation on back full back positions.

 

These two will allow for 3 signings that will improve the starting 11 such as top GK, RCB and RW.

[nufc123]

5 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

Signing a back up striker who is a level above Osula/Gordon in that position ie. Wilson is extremely unlikely; certainly for us, but even for Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Liverpool. It just doesn't happen these days. It is even more unlikely given we have Isak who is one of the best in the world, making it an even tougher task persuading a highly sought after prospect, or a more developed player to come in. They would know they can't reach his heights and truly challenge his position. 

Isak cant play every game next season. We have been very lucky this season with injuries. Osula hasnt scored a top flight goal yet, and I dont like Gordon up top at all. If the RW can lead the line then fine. If not we are set for trouble next season. 

[Kanj]

Really does make the case for Mbuemo a lot better, then doesn't it? A high-grade RW who can play striker. You need to rest Isak? Mbeumo or Gordon go in the middle and Barnes comes on. Barnes not available? Ok lets throw on Osula and let Gordon and Mbuemo play the wing with him, etc. 

 

I'd be totally fine with us moving on from Wilson, signing DCL as a primary backup on a free as well. Osula either staying with us or going out on loan. 

 

 

Edited April 2 by Kanj

[Ikon]

I don't see Brentford selling Mbeumo for less than 60-70m. Also, why would they.

[Roids]

45 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Not that good based on? I’d like to think Howe would take someone like Delap (players that are eager to learn/develop) to new levels and £40m will be great buy.
 

For other post about free transfers, do we really want to clog squad up with guys like KWP/DCL that don’t move the needle at all and could become a burden. We got lucky (might still not be the case depending how Juve season goes) with shifting Kelly on. 

Based on watching him. If Howe is the development guru as heralded he has Osula to work with who has a lot of raw talent.

Need less projects and more players to immediately improve the first XI.

 

£40m for Delap either as a backup, or even worse, an Isak replacement is grim.

 

 

Edited April 2 by Roids

[The Prophet]

A big selling point to Delap would be that Burn, Tino, Hall and Gordon have all made their England debuts after joining.

[STM]

4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Is it? Why?

 

I think he'll have to stay and will end up getting more minutes due to European football. But I don't think it would be because of what we've seen so far.

 

I would probably want Miley to go out and on loan. But I don't think he will/can. I expect us to sign another premium midfielder but also sell at least one of Willock or Longstaff so Miley can't be sold.

 

I didn't mean his performances, i meant Howe giving players a year to bed in. I'm basically hoping for the Lewis Hall treatment.