NUFC Transfer Rumours

[nufcjmc]

Wilson and Ruddy leaving announcements today or tomorrow then?

[KingArthur]

49 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

 

Sky sports (Keith Downie) you will be quoting bald cunt Edwards next  

 

 

 

 

OK, whatever. You seem to know better than anyone on this Earth that we have never been after DCL, although we were linked all through last summer AND he even has his own topic right here because of all the rumours! 

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

OK, whatever. You seem to know better than anyone on this Earth that we have never been after DCL, although we were linked all through last summer AND he even has his own topic right here because of all the rumours! 

So have countless other players, rumours mean fuck all unless an actual bid has been made. As I said jog on 

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, loki679 said:

We could stick that Santa Claus fella from the dressing room pictures up front and he'd be as much use as DCL. I'd genuinely rather play without a striker and hoy another body on in midfield than have that useless waste of space playing for us. 

Calm down Pep.  

[KingArthur]

5 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

So have countless other players, rumours mean fuck all unless an actual bid has been made. As I said jog on 

OK, you seem like a nice chap. Hopefully you arent too depressed come September. 

[El Prontonise]

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

I should probably bore off out of this thread and take it to the PIF one tbh  .

 

Re: being number 1, PIF always makes really bold claims about its projects, but they rarely live up to the grand expectations they set. I could go on about The Line, Neom, Al-Ula, the Haramain railway, the new airport, even a bloody aquarium; all marketed as “the best in the world,” but while some are impressive, none have really reached that level (some not even close).

 

Also using investment processes to run a football club isn’t that bizarre though? Modern clubs are big businesses and need strategic management. Granted, football clubs are different to a lot of other investments but with the right leadership I don’t see why it’s that ridiculous. Maybe I’m not understanding what your concerns are in that regard.

 

I think they've learned via the LIV stuff with golf they just can't bulldoze their way into buying sports etc.  We are a small fish in a large ocean of investments.

 

They are doing a similar strategy now with cricket as with football I would say.

[tarie4]

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

You're right imo and (sorry to sound smug) but I’ve said this all along. This doesn't look like the flashy, short-term sportswashing we’ve seen with the Saudi Pro League or Club World Cup. PIF were fully aware of PSR constraints and still went ahead, which suggests a longer-term, strategic investment rather than a vanity project. That said, it still contributes to improving Saudi Arabia’s global image; it’s sportswashing, just in a more subtle and credible form. This is in stark contrast to the in-your-face stuff that’s coming soon with the Saudi World Cup (I’ve talked to a few people involved and as usual they have wildly expensive and ambitious plans for that).

 

Newcastle United clearly matters to PIF but likely as part of a wider global portfolio. It’s just not a top-tier national priority though.

I don't really think that's the whole truth. Yeah, PSR was a thing, but fair market value wasn't. APT, you know, Associated Party Transactions, that came in later. That's why Mandy went nuts on the Cartel.

 

They thought they could get around PSR with massive sponsorship deals.

 

I reckon it's wrong to say anything different.

[Fenham Mag]

Some WhatsApp rumours about this lad signing for us:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Johnston_(footballer)

 

Right back playing at Sturm Graz, originally from Boro. 

[McCormick]

2 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

I don't really think that's the whole truth. Yeah, PSR was a thing, but fair market value wasn't. APT, you know, Associated Party Transactions, that came in later. That's why Mandy went nuts on the Cartel.

 

They thought they could get around PSR with massive sponsorship deals.

 

I reckon it's wrong to say anything different.

That’s probably fair. No way to know how “massive” the sponsorship deals would have been without APT constraints though. Depends on how willing they were to take money out of one pocket to put in the other so-to-speak.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Imagine if our first signing this summer from a foreign club was for a British player 

[Nucasol]

5 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said:

Some WhatsApp rumours about this lad signing for us:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Johnston_(footballer)

 

Right back playing at Sturm Graz, originally from Boro. 

Kind of all in on the Leo Shahar train now so don’t want anyone derailing it now.

[tarie4]

5 minutes ago, McCormick said:

That’s probably fair. No way to know how “massive” the sponsorship deals would have been without APT constraints though. Depends on how willing they were to take money out of one pocket to put in the other so-to-speak.

You read or saw Mandy's reaction back then, yeah? She completely lost it with the cartel. It's clear that was the plan, right? If APT wasn't a thing, we could've had a front shirt sponsor worth a hundred million, which would've sorted our PSR situation. PSR's not the real problem, it's APT, and I reckon that's why City's taking the PL to court.

 

We'd have been able to get the players we needed then, 'cause we'd have had loads of room.

 

PIF are totally up for splashing the cash on us.

 

You can see what the club's saying too. "We'll spend as much as we can to the limit." We did that, and then some. Maybe they figured if you break the PSR, you just get a fine like what Uefa does, when Everton and Forest got points taken off. Eales even said "the rules have teeth" after that, we're being more careful.

 

Its absolutely wrong to say they never really wanted to splash the cash. In my opinion that is.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by tarie4

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Imagine if our first signing this summer from a foreign club was for a British player 

If he works out as well as the last British right back we signed first from a foreign club, it’ll be ok.

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

You read or saw Mandy's reaction back then, yeah? She completely lost it with the cartel. It's clear that was the plan, right? If APT wasn't a thing, we could've had a front shirt sponsor worth a hundred million, which would've sorted our PSR situation. PSR's not the real problem, it's APT, and I reckon that's why City's taking the PL to court.

 

We'd have been able to get the players we needed then, 'cause we'd have had loads of room.

 

PIF are totally up for splashing the cash on us.

 

 

I think if PIF saw us as purely an investment, they could probably have picked an easier investment opportunity where they didn't have to jump through hoops for 2 years to finally get to own a British PL club. That too after signing certain waivers. 

 

As a sportswashing exercise, maybe you could argue the case, but it's only effective from their POV if they own one which allows them to compete at the top level. Yasir's intermittent attendance at home games does suggest that they take it seriously. I don't think they want to be associated with an also ran team. 

[McCormick]

20 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

You read or saw Mandy's reaction back then, yeah? She completely lost it with the cartel. It's clear that was the plan, right? If APT wasn't a thing, we could've had a front shirt sponsor worth a hundred million, which would've sorted our PSR situation. PSR's not the real problem, it's APT, and I reckon that's why City's taking the PL to court.

 

We'd have been able to get the players we needed then, 'cause we'd have had loads of room.

 

PIF are totally up for splashing the cash on us.

 

You can see what the club's saying too. "We'll spend as much as we can to the limit." We did that, and then some. Maybe they figured if you break the PSR, you just get a fine like what Uefa does, when Everton and Forest got points taken off. Eales even said "the rules have teeth" after that, we're being more careful.

 

Its absolutely wrong to say they never really wanted to splash the cash. In my opinion that is.

 

 

 

I'm not saying they were unwilling to spend money; I agree, they clearly want us to succeed. All I meant was that we don't really know the full extent of what they would have done. Iirc Amanda mentioned something about PIF being prepared to invest around £60m per year on transfers (which they actually exceeded).

 

Anyway, there's no point getting caught up in the what-ifs. People come to this thread for a bit of a serotonin boost, not to see dry debates about ownership and stuff  

[tarie4]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I think if PIF saw us as purely an investment, they could probably have picked an easier investment opportunity where they didn't have to jump through hoops for 2 years to finally get to own a British PL club. That too after signing certain waivers. 

 

As a sportswashing exercise, maybe you could argue the case, but it's only effective from their POV if they own one which allows them to compete at the top level. Yasir's intermittent attendance at home games does suggest that they take it seriously. I don't think they want to be associated with an also ran team. 

Yeah, it's true, being a one-club city with crazy fans, a huge stadium, and so much potential helped too. They've already spent a ton on Newcastle. We went from almost getting relegated to the Champions League in just two years! And that's even with some obstacles. Can you imagine if there weren't any of those financial rules and obstacles? We don't need Chelsea's 2 billion spend on players, but even a quarter of that, and we'd probably be in the top three, competing for the title.

Thats why I disagree with what the others were saying earlier on.

 

[tarie4]

1 minute ago, McCormick said:

I'm not saying they were unwilling to spend money; I agree, they clearly want us to succeed. All I meant was that we don't really know the full extent of what they would have done. Iirc Amanda mentioned something about PIF being prepared to invest around £60m per year on transfers (which they actually exceeded).

 

Anyway, there's no point getting caught up in the what-ifs. People come to this thread for a bit of a serotonin boost, not to see dry debates about ownership and stuff  

Alright fair play. However think about it like this. We went from being relegation fodder to playing in the Champions League in just two years. Then, we finished 7th and 5th, and even won a trophy, all while following the rules.

 

We're so close to being a top team consistently challenging for the PL etc. A stone throws away.

 

If APT wasn't a thing, wouldn't we be even further ahead? Considering where we are now with APT?

 

That's the main point I'm trying to make, but I know it's all if and maybes as you said. 

[KaKa]

Predictions on the striker we look at next?

 

I think we might bid for Rodrigo Muniz.

 

Fulham have bid a decent amount on Romulo at Goztepe, another Brazilian striker, and are still negotiating.

 

Was watching some clips of the Romulo guy yesterday as I'd never heard of him, and was quite surprised. Think he looks decent.

 

[Turnbull2000]

11 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

Alright fair play. However think about it like this. We went from being relegation fodder to playing in the Champions League in just two years. Then, we finished 7th and 5th, and even won a trophy, all while following the rules.

 

We're so close to being a top team consistently challenging for the PL etc. A stone throws away.

 

If APT wasn't a thing, wouldn't we be even further ahead? Considering where we are now with APT?

 

That's the main point I'm trying to make, but I know it's all if and maybes as you said. 

 

I think 4-7th was always within regular reach with owners who cared. But regularly challenging for the PL a stones throw away? We're at least £100m short on income and £50m short on player salaries for that. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think we probably need almost half a new first team to challenge for the PL. Keeper, CB, RW and probably CM. Maybe others. 

 

That's keeping everyone fit as well, without considering squad depth too much. We probably need another 3 or 4 quality subs as well. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo

[tarie4]

1 minute ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

I think 4-7th was always within regular reach with owners who cared. But regularly challenging for the PL a stones throw away? We're at least £100m short on income and £50m short on player salaries for that. 

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Predictions on the striker we look at next?

 

I think we might bid for Rodrigo Muniz.

 

Fulham have bid a decent amount on Romulo at Goztepe, another Brazilian striker, and are still negotiating.

 

Was watching some clips of the Romulo guy yesterday as I'd never heard of him, and was quite surprised. Think he looks decent.

 

 

 

Do you know anything about this Romulo that Fulham are looking at? These smaller clubs have to be creative when it comes to signings, if they have good scouts we are in a position to blow them out of the water same way Chelsea are doing with our first choice targets. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, tarie4 said:

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

Citation needed. 

 

We have left a lot of sponsorship money on the table regardless of APT. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

Double post. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by r0cafella

[Turnbull2000]

2 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

Yep, that's what I was hinting at in my post, right? Without APT, we'd have better sponsorships, which means more money, and we'd be further along than we are now.

 

Ah sorry, didn't quite read your post clearly!