NUFC Transfer Rumours

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3 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

I do think Sky will start to get restless if there are further Jan windows like this. Viewing figures/general engagement will be way down. 

 

Between commercial partners, and FFP starting to bite even for top 6 sides (Man U and Chelsea both apparently limited this window) I can see a re-jig of the rules in the next couple years. I mean, even just adjusting the losses allowed to account for inflation would be a start. It hasn't changed since it was implemented.

TL;DR Scrap FFP. 

[RobsonsWonderland]

2 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

I do think Sky will start to get restless if there are further Jan windows like this. Viewing figures/general engagement will be way down. 

 

Between commercial partners, and FFP starting to bite even for top 6 sides (Man U and Chelsea both apparently limited this window) I can see a re-jig of the rules in the next couple years. I mean, even just adjusting the losses allowed to account for inflation would be a start. It hasn't changed since it was implemented.

I think the limit should also be reviewed each year based on the most recent window.

 

 Chelsea, Arsenal and City spending £100 million plus on a single player massively inflated the transfer window.

As much as I dislike them, even Liverpool were priced out of bidding war with Chelsea for Caicedo because of the fee arsenal paid for Rice.

 

And to be fair he never looked a 100 million player before or after they signed him

 

 

[sushimonster85]

I personally feel like clubs should be allowed to go over the allowed loss limit, with the proviso that however far past it they go, they have to put that same amount of money aside. The club only getting access to it either when the club changes ownership, or after a set period of time. 

 

Essentially you can go say 20m over the limit, but you have to then put a further 20m aside. If FFP were really about ensuring clubs can't spend beyond their means or get left high and dry then that covers it. Obviously we all know what FFP is actually about.

[oldtype]

1 hour ago, sushimonster85 said:

I personally feel like clubs should be allowed to go over the allowed loss limit, with the proviso that however far past it they go, they have to put that same amount of money aside. The club only getting access to it either when the club changes ownership, or after a set period of time. 

 

Essentially you can go say 20m over the limit, but you have to then put a further 20m aside. If FFP were really about ensuring clubs can't spend beyond their means or get left high and dry then that covers it. Obviously we all know what FFP is actually about.

 

I think it's as simple as creating hardship exceptions for injuries/suspensions. If a player is injured and out for the season or suspended for being a gambling addict and out for the season, that player's wages should not count towards your FFP cap.

 

I am assuming no club will ever have enough injuries that spending into these exceptions would endanger their long-term financial health. Although if we didn't have loaded owners, us this season may have been at risk of doing so.

[ponsaelius]

I like Kalvin Phillips and think he'd be a good stopgap but if City are genuinely asking for £7 million loan fee plus an obligation to buy for £30-40 million then that is an absolute piss take tbf and we should stay well clear. He's been a total flop for them, had injuries, and is now approaching 29 in the summer. They'd be making a profit FFS at that valuation - which is absurd particularly in the current market vacuum created by FFP.

 

He's a career reconstruction job and any club that takes him off their hands is doing them a favour. A small loan fee with a reasonable fixed buy option in the summer would be more than fair.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by ponsaelius

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1 minute ago, ponsaelius said:

I like Kalvin Phillips and think he'd be a good stopgap but if City are genuinely asking for £7 million loan fee plus an obligation to buy for £30-40 million then that is an absolute piss take tbf and we should stay well clear. He's been a total flop for them, had injuries, and is now approaching 29 in the summer. They'd be making a profit FFS at that valuation - which is absurd particularly in the current market vacuum created by FFP.

 

He's a career reconstruction job and any club that takes him off their hands is doing them a favour. A small loan fee with a reasonable fixed buy option in the summer would be more than fair.

 

 

 

Yeah agree with this.

 

Anything over a £3m loan fee with a c£25m option and it’s seeya later.

 

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7 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

I like Kalvin Phillips and think he'd be a good stopgap but if City are genuinely asking for £7 million loan fee plus an obligation to buy for £30-40 million then that is an absolute piss take tbf and we should stay well clear. He's been a total flop for them, had injuries, and is now approaching 29 in the summer. They'd be making a profit FFS at that valuation - which is absurd particularly in the current market vacuum created by FFP.

 

He's a career reconstruction job and any club that takes him off their hands is doing them a favour. A small loan fee with a reasonable fixed buy option in the summer would be more than fair.

 

 

 

 

I want him here and I think he'd be good, but I agree. Really wouldn't like the idea of having £60-70m of 2024/25 transfer fees committed to Hall and Phillips.

[greydos]

10 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

 

Unbelievable this season. Only 2:17 seconds in scouting our proposed new signing and he gets an injury!

[Jagten]

22 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

I like Kalvin Phillips and think he'd be a good stopgap but if City are genuinely asking for £7 million loan fee plus an obligation to buy for £30-40 million then that is an absolute piss take tbf and we should stay well clear. He's been a total flop for them, had injuries, and is now approaching 29 in the summer. They'd be making a profit FFS at that valuation - which is absurd particularly in the current market vacuum created by FFP.

 

He's a career reconstruction job and any club that takes him off their hands is doing them a favour. A small loan fee with a reasonable fixed buy option in the summer would be more than fair.

 

 

 

Given his salary (assuming no man city pay off)you’re probably looking at 10-15 max tbh, and I like him.

[nufcjb]

4 hours ago, sushimonster85 said:

I do think Sky will start to get restless if there are further Jan windows like this. Viewing figures/general engagement will be way down. 

 

Between commercial partners, and FFP starting to bite even for top 6 sides (Man U and Chelsea both apparently limited this window) I can see a re-jig of the rules in the next couple years. I mean, even just adjusting the losses allowed to account for inflation would be a start. It hasn't changed since it was implemented.

Aye, don't think I've seen them spam my screen about transfers on SSN too many times this January. Fuck all to report about.

[RobsonsWonderland]

I do wonder if Ashworths success at Brighton was due to them being a plucky underdog and flying under the radar.

 

Our squad could really do with some lower prices gambles but does our perceived riches make that harder to negotiate bargains.

 

Even another of own Perez or Schar would be great right now...

 

 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

I do wonder if Ashworths success at Brighton was due to them being a plucky underdog and flying under the radar.

 

Our squad could really do with some lower prices gambles but does our perceived riches make that harder to negotiate bargains.

 

Even another of own Perez or Schar would be great right now...

 

 

The scouting at Brighton was more down to the owners scouting models than Ashworth. Ashworth appears to be more of an administrator than some form of Uber talent scout. 

[FloydianMag]

1 hour ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

I do wonder if Ashworths success at Brighton was due to them being a plucky underdog and flying under the radar.

 

Our squad could really do with some lower prices gambles but does our perceived riches make that harder to negotiate bargains.

 

Even another of own Perez or Schar would be great right now...

 

 

Highly thought of at the FA.

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/11509145/dan-ashworths-huge-role-in-englands-transformation-explained

[mattypnufc]

Linked with Joshua Kimmich today.  That'd be a canny upgrade on Phillips mind...

[The Prophet]

 

[Isaksbigrightfoot]

I really don’t think we will buy anyone this window.

 

FFP is hitting a lot of clubs hard and with the examples of Everton and Forrest I think the window will be the lowest spending window in recent history.

 

Transfer fees have gone mental. 7m loan signing fee and 40m for Phillips is ridiculous for a player who is 29 and hardly kicked a ball in 2 years.

[GeordieDazzler]

18 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Almost certainly bullshit but he’d be amazing for us 

[r0cafella]

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Kimmichs agent is looking for a bag clearly. He won’t be coming here that we can be certain of. 

[S Norman]

I wish we would be looking at Konstantelias from PAOK. He really impressed me in the Europa Conference matches I saw this year. The asking price is around 20M Euros and allegedly Brighton is already sniffing around

 

 

[sushimonster85]

Doesn't that Falk guy have a track record of being a bullshit merchant?

[Fezzle]

28 minutes ago, S Norman said:

I wish we would be looking at Konstantelias from PAOK. He really impressed me in the Europa Conference matches I saw this year. The asking price is around 20M Euros and allegedly Brighton is already sniffing around

 

 

Guessing you havent read any other thread in weeks?

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

The scouting at Brighton was more down to the owners scouting models than Ashworth. Ashworth appears to be more of an administrator than some form of Uber talent scout. 

This a million times.

 

Brentford are similar although less successful. It's the Owner's approach and data company behind it. 

[Conjo]

I thought Ashworth set up the scouting model at Brighton, but doesn't do any scouting himself?

[Fezzle]

1 minute ago, Conjo said:

I thought Ashworth set up the scouting model at Brighton, but doesn't do any scouting himself?

Brighton are a client of Bloom's company, Starlizard, buying in the data that supports the recruitment programme. Scouts are sent a list of names to watch and compile reports on players who have passed the data tick list, based on factors such as age and match minutes. A traffic light system is used for reports.

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11 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

I like Kalvin Phillips and think he'd be a good stopgap but if City are genuinely asking for £7 million loan fee plus an obligation to buy for £30-40 million then that is an absolute piss take tbf and we should stay well clear. He's been a total flop for them, had injuries, and is now approaching 29 in the summer. They'd be making a profit FFS at that valuation - which is absurd particularly in the current market vacuum created by FFP.

 

He's a career reconstruction job and any club that takes him off their hands is doing them a favour. A small loan fee with a reasonable fixed buy option in the summer would be more than fair.

 

 

 

 

Yeah problem is City are able to bully teams into selling players for below market value because they're such a draw. They're never involved in bidding wars, the player will make it clear they want to move there and the selling team will have no option but to do business at City's price or risk keeping hold of a player who ends up downing tools.

 

They pretty much have the system gamed at this stage.