Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TRon said: If he's doing the right kind of work that's exactly what we need. I agree to an extent. We need a proper CM for sure, we need bodies in and someone sitting a bit deeper. Having said that, I think it’s wiser to go for a player with proper top quality and technical ability, awareness and vision and not one that is a good “workhorse” alone. A midfielder that has great positional sense and technical ability while also being good defensively is what I’d be looking for, even if that player isn’t the finished article yet. We are quite poor at retaining possession overall, especially in our own third once we have won it back. Bruno is the only one we have who is press resistant and has the technical ability to get out of tight situations. He easily gets very isolated because of this and the opposition often wins the ball back easily and we are back defending deeply again. That is why I would be looking to sign a player more for the long term if we can’t afford the ready one now. Having said that, I’m basing this on Ederson being more of a workhorse than a technical playmaker from deep. I haven’t seen him to make a judgement on this but iirc I think I’ve read about him. Could be wrong like. Edited January 16, 2024 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, Toon No9 said: Scored for Atalanta yesterday. He’s the right age and profile. At 35m would be a bargain. But it would also have to be a loan with obligation to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, Ikon said: I agree to an extent. We need a proper CM for sure, we need bodies in and someone sitting a bit deeper. Having said that, I think it’s wiser to go for a player with proper top quality and technical ability, awareness and vision and not one that is a good “workhorse” alone. A midfielder that has great positional sense and technical ability while also being good defensively is what I’d be looking for, even if that player isn’t the finished article yet. We are quite poor at retaining possession overall, especially in our own third once we have won it back. Bruno is the only one we have who is press resistant and has the technical ability to get out of tight situations. He easily gets very isolated because of this and the opposition often wins the ball back easily and we are back defending deeply again. That is why I would be looking to sign a player more for the long term if we can’t afford the ready one now. Having said that, I’m basing this on Ederson being more of a workhorse than a technical playmaker from deep. I haven’t seen him to make a judgement on this but iirc I think I’ve read about him. Could be wrong like. I can't see us buying any midfielder who isn't decent on the ball, we aren't even buying defenders who can't bring the ball out. What we need is a deep lying midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and plug any gaps when we lose possession. We don't really have a specialist no 6 and that was why we showed interest in Phillips I would think. He'd be exactly what we need from a defensive POV anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 Is this a concrete link? Or have journos just chucked our name lazily into the hat as normal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 7 minutes ago, TRon said: I can't see us buying any midfielder who isn't decent on the ball, we aren't even buying defenders who can't bring the ball out. What we need is a deep lying midfielder who can sit in front of the back four and plug any gaps when we lose possession. We don't really have a specialist no 6 and that was why we showed interest in Phillips I would think. He'd be exactly what we need from a defensive POV anyway. Going forward we need players that are much more than decent on the ball imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 1 minute ago, Ikon said: Going forward we need players that are much more than decent on the ball imho. They don't have to be Lionel Messi, a DM who can win the ball, spot the runs of the opposition and carry the ball is a decent player. Especially as we don't currently have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 With the Joelinton news, I don’t think we will let this window pass without a proper addition to our midfield. Not only is the Longstaff + Miley combo not functional, any injury or suspension for any of the current 3 and we would probably see Trippier or Almiron as temporary midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 11 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Is this a concrete link? Or have journos just chucked our name lazily into the hat as normal? It seems like any concrete link is always we have had a bid accepted is the first we hear of it from overseas players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hozzo Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 To the Thread Creation room ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TRon said: They don't have to be Lionel Messi, a DM who can win the ball, spot the runs of the opposition and carry the ball is a decent player. Especially as we don't currently have one. Messi… Well i wouldnt say no to a good player. I just seem to prefer a midfielder that is better than decent on the ball. We have to be thinking more long term and to become a top side we need better ability on the ball, I think it’s been pretty obvious overall when it comes to our midfield. As the board has said we really need to get most transfers spot on because we can’t afford too many mistakes. So long term I don’t see the point in signing a player that isn’t more than decent on the ball. We have enough of that already. (When fit) Edited January 16, 2024 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 46 minutes ago, buzza said: Phillips, and the loan fee involved, must be our top priority now??? JOE injured and Bruno about to be suspended for two games on his next yellow... Pull your fingers out transfer team!!! Yeah pull your fingers out and pay the £40m we dont have on a bloke we dont want long term you useless bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 8 minutes ago, Fezzle said: Yeah pull your fingers out and pay the £40m we dont have on a bloke we dont want long term you useless bastards And also break FFP in the process and end up with a 10-12 point deduction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 Cmon jonj man. Come back and sit at 6. Spin in circles and twatt the ball in behind for miggy and Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoForJoy Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 I can't remember where I read the link, but after a bit of YouTube scouting I remember thinking "he's the Joelinton replacement." He's the same build but a lot more skillful. Saibari at PSV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 51 minutes ago, Ikon said: Messi… Well i wouldnt say no to a good player. I just seem to prefer a midfielder that is better than decent on the ball. We have to be thinking more long term and to become a top side we need better ability on the ball, I think it’s been pretty obvious overall when it comes to our midfield. As the board has said we really need to get most transfers spot on because we can’t afford too many mistakes. So long term I don’t see the point in signing a player that isn’t more than decent on the ball. We have enough of that already. (When fit) Depends what you mean by more than decent. N'Golo Kante for example, would you have said no to him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 Just now, TwoForJoy said: I can't remember where I read the link, but after a bit of YouTube scouting I remember thinking "he's the Joelinton replacement." He's the same build but a lot more skillful. Saibari at PSV. Looks a good player from what I’ve seen. Would also give us some depth to play into when playing balls forward to break lines. Has ball carrying ability. As of now Isak has to come way too deep at times. Gap is too big at times centrally in transitions. Both going forward and defensively. Need some playing angles and someone that offers us an outlet once we win the ball in our third. Too flat now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TRon said: Depends what you mean by more than decent. N'Golo Kante for example, would you have said no to him? Are you being serious now? Kante was one of the better midfielders around at what he did and offered. He was also very good on the ball and very rarely lost it. He might not have been the most most progressive or “magical” player but he was very good overall as well as composed. He was far far from being only a workhorse and running around without the ball. Edited January 16, 2024 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) Looks like a Jow replacement judging from the 1 minute of YouTube highlights I’ve just watched. Ederson that is. Edited January 16, 2024 by Joelinton7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 47 minutes ago, TwoForJoy said: I can't remember where I read the link, but after a bit of YouTube scouting I remember thinking "he's the Joelinton replacement." He's the same build but a lot more skillful. Saibari at PSV. Random source but https://africasoccer.com/newcastle-continues-monitoring-ismael-saibari-in-the-africa-cup-of-nations/ PSV fans see him as their next big thing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 (edited) Really like the look of him. The type of player I’d like to see. Even if he isn’t defensive minded. Edited January 16, 2024 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 This is more of a scout report video than a compilation, on how he would fit in at Man Utd. If you Google the player you will see he has been linked with us by random sources for about 2 months now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 58 minutes ago, Ikon said: Are you being serious now? Kante was one of the better midfielders around at what he did and offered. He was also very good on the ball and very rarely lost it. He might not have been the most most progressive or “magical” player but he was very good overall as well as composed. He was far far from being only a workhorse and running around without the ball. The DM position isn't restricted to only players who can tackle and run around a bit, the best teams have good players who are not only great defensively, but also very good with the ball at their feet as well. I'm sort of assuming any player we are looking at is going to be a good footballer by default since Howe needs those to play a possession game. When someone describes one of our targets as a workhorse, I just assume that means he works hard, has a good engine etc, not that he's a shit footballer. I think we are well beyond buying those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MagMal Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 Just now, The Prophet said: What makes me laugh about all these transfers is the loyalty bonus they all pick up when they move, if he has any sense he should just tell City take the loyalty bonus out of the loan fee and give it up if he get a loan to perm move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted January 16, 2024 Share Posted January 16, 2024 Mad that the transfer window is open and barely any club can sign neebody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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