McCormick Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Spending 50m would be mad but at least he can strike a ball. If this is true it likely means ASM is off and/ or Gordon will be used primarily on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I don't think it will happen but if we put £50m into Harvey Barnes then I'm going to assume we have no FFP problems and will be spending at least £200m this summer. It would make zero sense to me otherwise. That would depend on how much we got for ASM. Can't see Barnes coming and ASM staying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Toon88 said: Anywhere around the £50m is the going rate. Not sure why anyone should be surprised at them demanding that kind of fee, especially given PL inflation. I’d probably see what else is around Europe before committing to Barnes, but he’s a certain upgrade on ASM. 13 goals last season is an impressive haul. Yeah, that's what I'm getting it. It seems unnecessary. He'll be 26 midway through this season, so it's not like we're getting much younger from ASM. Surely there'd be better options at that price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 He doesn't seem like a Howe type of player mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Tooner Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Would love us to go for Alkmaar left back Kerkez. 20m should be enough. Very very talented young lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, madras said: That would depend on how much we got for ASM. Can't see Barnes coming and ASM staying. Just seems like a very strange swap to make. Selling ASM to fund a RW or LB makes a lot more sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 It just whiffs of his agent or Leicester planting a story with a starting price and a list of clubs that could reasonably be after him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Riddle me this: What do Antoniee Robinson, Harvey Barnes and Tino Livramento all have in common?........ They all have a big mouth agent.... The same agent no less.... We are being used by the same agent, to advertise his players and get them some limelight. Next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: He doesn't seem like a Howe type of player mind. Barnes doesn’t ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Barnes doesn’t ? Nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Barnes doesn’t ? was going to say the same. feels like the perfect Howe player, and at this point I think he would be terrific! compare to the rest of our RW/LW he´s a goal and assist machine, me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 He’s a perfect Howe player like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Nah. How come ? Genuine question as I think the opposite tbh I think he’s ideal for Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, STM said: Riddle me this: What do Antoniee Robinson, Harvey Barnes and Tino Livramento all have in common?........ They all have a big mouth agent.... The same agent no less.... We are being used by the same agent, to advertise his players and get them some limelight. Next. Top digging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: How come ? Genuine question as I think the opposite tbh I think he’s ideal for Howe. I think he would suit us in terms of how direct he is. He loves a little give and go or to cut inside and have a dig. He doesn't do much graft though and we know Howe loves that in a player. His all round game is also pretty unrefined, unless of course that's something we think we can coach into him. I like him, I don't think there's many better goal scoring wingers around for where we're at. A left forward who isn't particularly good with the ball at his feet and doesn't put in a shift doesn't seem very us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Agree with most of that but he’s got quite the engine. I’m sure he’ll put in the work if he’s drilled to do so; seems like a top professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: A club will have a finite amount of cash to spend per transfer market. Amortisation may be a useful accountancy practice from an FFP perspective, but clubs still need to take money from the pot to pay the fee, whether that's all of it or the first of a number of installments. Szoboszlai has blown a £60 million pound hole in Liverpool's pocket, even if it appears as a £12 million a year on the balance sheet. Other clubs probably didn't want to commit to such a large up-front payment as it'd leave less cash to strengthen multiple positions. 1 hour ago, Toonjam88 said: That’s not how FFP works man if it was then there is no point putting Chelsea’s new players in 8 year contracts. Say we sold Maxi for £40 million and there was still £5milluon left of his amortisation then we would immediately get £40 million on the balance sheet minus that years £5 million amortisation. When then buy a player for £60 million on a 6 year contract so £10million that year on FFP plus whatever that years wages is. These should both be the Income Statement which records revenue and costs within a year, rather than the balance sheet which records your current assets or liabilities. E.g Szoboszlai is currently sitting on the BS as £60m, with £12m to be transferred/charged to the IS each year. FFP regs focus on the IS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, Toon88 said: Anywhere around the £50m is the going rate. Not sure why anyone should be surprised at them demanding that kind of fee, especially given PL inflation. I’d probably see what else is around Europe before committing to Barnes, but he’s a certain upgrade on ASM. 13 goals last season is an impressive haul. We just passed on Maddison for £40m I very much doubt we will go for Barnes at £50m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Viana Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, joeyt said: I used to think this guy was genuinely connected but a few of his tweets this summer have me questioning that theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 It is worth watching this and seeing how similar Leicesters tactics were in the early days of Brendan Rodger’s compared to what Howe uses with us now, then see how Barnes was used at the time. They were one of the best pressing sides in the league. Also interesting when you consider he had Ben Chilwell playing behind him and how he got forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGRM Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, joeyt said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon88 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: HB is no better than what we have! Diaby is! I’m not fussed. Barnes is proven in the PL though, and just banged 13 goals in a poor side. Doubt we pay £50m though. Diaby is a ? Good at Leverkusen, but so was Havertz. Sancho had great stats at Dortmund, and then came here and flopped. It’s not like we’re paying £60m for Diaby and he’s a top French international. He’s basically on the fringes at that level. Still a risk, for me. I think we will pass on both, and end up with a name we haven’t even been linked with yet. Edited July 5, 2023 by Toon88 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: HB is no better than what we have! Diaby is! I'm still not sure on Diaby. Obviously he's rapid and strong off both feet which is a huge plus, but he's going to get no where near as much space in behind as he does in the Fraudesliga. He also has a habit of going missing when he doesn't fancy it. He has a lot of talent and I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at him, but he looks a gamble at the prices quoted. It does sound like he's on our list of long term targets though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Toon88 said: Anywhere around the £50m is the going rate. Not sure why anyone should be surprised at them demanding that kind of fee, especially given PL inflation. I’d probably see what else is around Europe before committing to Barnes, but he’s a certain upgrade on ASM. 13 goals last season is an impressive haul. Last season Harvey Barnes had 0.40 non-penalty xG+xA per 90, ASM had 0.52. Grass is greener and that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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