r0cafella Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Have to extend don’t we? Can’t replace the whole squad. Yeah, I think that's reasonable. Weird one as he's not good enough to be a nailed on starter but also isn't exactly cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Minhosa said: There's no way I'd want him starting every week tbh. Bench option only if we've got any ambition to be pushing into the top 5 next season. He's hopeless when he's not scoring. Cannot beat a man, doesn't have a trick, isn't particularly quick and isn't that strong either. He's literally just a finisher. A very good one but he's far more of a centre forward profile playing out wide than a winger in the traditional sense. Incredibly harsh, he’s made a yard on a defender and put in a good ball many times. He also regularly holds off challenges once he’s put in. Of course he’s got his limitations, but he’s been well worth the investment and will continue to contribute next season, no doubt. He’s already been part of sides who “pushed into the top 5” as you put it, not that that seems remotely realistic as a goal right now, even with a blindingly good window in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Would have no issue with him on the bench and playing as a LW in rotation against lesser teams and as a backup striker when we are in need of a goal and chasing something. If we improve our passing and attacking ability around him you could easily see a scenario where his movement creates chances behind or around the box for him to poach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 7 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. Weird one as he's not good enough to be a nailed on starter but also isn't exactly cheap. I dunno if you know the answer but does renewing a deal under the new rules spread the cost again over new remainder years or is amortisation dead with move away from PSR? Edited May 11 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 10 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said: Incredibly harsh, he’s made a yard on a defender and put in a good ball many times. He also regularly holds off challenges once he’s put in. Of course he’s got his limitations, but he’s been well worth the investment and will continue to contribute next season, no doubt. He’s already been part of sides who “pushed into the top 5” as you put it, not that that seems remotely realistic as a goal right now, even with a blindingly good window in the summer. Part of squads. Never been a consistent starter over the length of a season. There’s a reason for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 38 minutes ago, r0cafella said: So he's 28 with I'm assuming 2 years left. What we doing lads? Flogging him if there’s a buyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: Part of squads. Never been a consistent starter over the length of a season. There’s a reason for that. It’s a squad game these days. No one is against an upgrade but Harvey Barnes is the least of our worries right now and to dismiss him as “just a finisher” isn’t right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I feel like he would benefit from playing every game, guess most players would. Maybe not for us, but then again nobody else has done owt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 7 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said: It’s a squad game these days. No one is against an upgrade but Harvey Barnes is the least of our worries right now and to dismiss him as “just a finisher” isn’t right. What else does he bring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 The fact he's just a finisher isn't a problem. We need to make it his identity by having clear roles apart from pass to winger and cross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 He's a good crosser as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 He can finish, he can shoot and he can cross. The issue is he isn't capable of creating the space himself to do any. A link up striker or someone playing in between the lines off the striker for him to combine with would help him a lot. Yet another player the current 4-3-3 team setup does not suit. But yet it still persists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Minhosa said: Flogging him if there’s a buyer. Yep, in direct conflict of what I said above and earlier, I'd sell almost any of our players if the right fee came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 He has four major strengths in my opinion: - Finishing (obviously). - Finding space / being on the end of chances. - Availability (very very rarely injured). - He fits into that calibre of player who maybe isn't expecting to play every week, so he's an almost perfect member of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) But his only strength is a big one, according to Gemini this season he's scored in 6 games where we've got points, now one was a 2 - 0 against Leeds and one a 3 - 1 against Brighton so scrub them as we would have had the points anyway. Other then those games, the other 4 we either won by a single goal or got a draw, either way it was 8 points he had a major hand in. I know this isn't strictly true as if someone else was playing them who knows etc but still Edited May 11 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 23 minutes ago, Gawalls said: But his only strength is a big one, according to Gemini this season he's scored in 6 games where we've got points, now one was a 2 - 0 against Leeds and one a 3 - 1 against Brighton so scrub them as we would have had the points anyway. Other then those games, the other 4 we either won by a single goal or got a draw, either way it was 8 points he had a major hand in. I know this isn't strictly true as if someone else was playing them who knows etc but still ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 25 minutes ago, Fak said: ? Yeah my bad, it was 4 - 3 and he scored twice, including the late winner so more points we wouldn't have had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 That's a bit of difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 16 goals this season is a good return considering how poor we've looked in attack a lot of the time mind. His form seemed to drop off ever since we stopped playing with a proper striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 5 minutes ago, NEEJ said: That's a bit of difference. They was always my plan, lay the lower stats out then when pushed back hit you with the more impressive real figures. The old statistical rope a dope, honest!! 😗 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayDen Traces Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 One of the few players in our squad who knows how to finish, we can't get rid of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy74 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Gawalls said: But his only strength is a big one, according to Gemini this season he's scored in 6 games where we've got points, now one was a 2 - 0 against Leeds and one a 3 - 1 against Brighton so scrub them as we would have had the points anyway. Other then those games, the other 4 we either won by a single goal or got a draw, either way it was 8 points he had a major hand in. I know this isn't strictly true as if someone else was playing them who knows etc but still 'Kin hell mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 He's the best finisher on team. Would be madness to even consider selling him in a summer where Gordon is almost certainly leaving. Don't really care how old he is, we have very few consistent goalscorers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dembacha Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 13 minutes ago, QBG said: He's the best finisher on team. Would be madness to even consider selling him in a summer where Gordon is almost certainly leaving. Don't really care how old he is, we have very few consistent goalscorers. Yeah but if we score goals, we run the risk of being dissapointed when we're inevitably pegged back. Get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 He is such an underrated player imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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