Lloyd Kelly

[TRon]

8 hours ago, Mike said:

 

I mean, it'd be odd if he wasn't keen on the move wouldn't it? They're in the CL.

 

Plus his stock will have plummetted since moving here as he hasn't been able to break into the side, and didn't cover himself in glory when he did.

 

He'll want to be playing regularly somewhere so he can rebuild his reputation.

[OverThere]

He's barely played so can't be very happy, and when he has played he has had some right stinkers. I can't imagine he's enjoying his time here.

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:34 by OverThere

[geordie_b]

1 minute ago, OverThere said:

He's barely played so can't be very happy, and when he has played he has had some right stinkers. I can't imagine he's enjoying his time here.

 

Can think of 150 thousand reasons a week he might be

[AyeDubbleYoo]

14 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Plus his stock will have plummetted since moving here as he hasn't been able to break into the side, and didn't cover himself in glory when he did.

 

He'll want to be playing regularly somewhere so he can rebuild his reputation.

Think that’s a bit OTT. He wasn’t exactly known as a world class defender when we signed him. He was a decent option for a PL team and I don’t really think that’s changed. He’s hardly ruined his reputation. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:49 by AyeDubbleYoo

[KaKa]

16 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Plus his stock will have plummetted since moving here as he hasn't been able to break into the side, and didn't cover himself in glory when he did.

 

He'll want to be playing regularly somewhere so he can rebuild his reputation.

 

Plummeted because he hasn't come straight in just 6 months into joining a new club? No chance man.

[Dr.Spaceman]

If his stock had took that much of a hit then I doubt Juventus would be after him.

 

It just hasn't worked out here for whatever reason. May still, if no move materialises this Jan. One of the most 'meh' transfers ever.

[KaKa]

39 minutes ago, 80 said:

Juventus more than Fenerbahce obviously, but if a player is talking to possibly multiple suitors 6 months after joining a club - presumably on a major deal - to be managed by someone he says he has a lot of respect for, it's unusual.

 

It isn't like this is some starlet who has Real Madrid sniffing because they've taken the league by storm after joining us from Fleetwood in the summer. The assumption seems to be that if anything we're quietly offering him around, but maybe it's the other way?

 

I did read something yesterday that was saying he was the one looking to leave. Think it was Graeme Bailey saying it, so pinch of salt.

 

Ultimately our back four looks settled for the longer term now, with an RCB the only likely upgrade to come, and we are actively looking for one of those.

 

And so he's probably thinking why be a squad player here, if he can do that at Juventus. Especially as they're far more certain to be in Europe every season and so there'll be more chances to play.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:04 by KaKa

[80]

I agree more with Kaka and IanW. But we don't know what the views are behind the scenes. Don't even know if Kelly is entertaining all this if course, that's just a guess.

 

Just continue to find this whole situation surprising. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind... Might be Mitchell doing some brilliant work to boost our PSR.

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:01 by 80

[The Prophet]

I'm quite easy going with this one. We either get to retain a handy squad player or we get an unexpected PSR boost. Win-win really.

[80]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I did read something yesterday that was saying he was the one looking to leave. Think it was Graeme Bailey saying it, so pinch of salt.

 

Ultimately our back four looks settled for the longer term now, with a RCB the only likely upgrade to come, and we are actively looking for one of those.

 

And so he's probably thinking why be a squad player here, if he can do that at Juventus. Especially as they're far more certain to be in Europe every season and so there'll be more chances to play.

 

Yeah, that's all perfectly logical. It's a high agency thing for him/us to do, to be fair. Rather than just hanging around while the situation rots. Not exactly backing himself to overcome the situation, mind, if true.

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:04 by 80

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

If his stock had took that much of a hit then I doubt Juventus would be after him.

 

It just hasn't worked out here for whatever reason. May still, if no move materialises this Jan. One of the most 'meh' transfers ever.

 

We went away from the three centre back look we had previously when in possession, and Hall also progressing so quickly has just meant he's somewhat surplus now.

 

Still was a good pickup if there's interest in him, because any money we get is going to be pure profit that means we have more room to spend.

[The Prophet]

The problem with selling him is that Targett is surplus to requirements and Dan Burn is nearly 33. Naturally Kelly may want to leave for to play regularly.

[KaKa]

Just now, The Prophet said:

The problem with selling him is that Targett is surplus to requirements and Dan Burn is nearly 33. Naturally Kelly may want to leave for to play regularly.

 

I think we'd have to keep Targett if he goes.

 

Seems the only interest we've had for him has been loan deals anyway, so probably makes more sense.

 

Also Targett, is more of a similar replacement for how we used Hall this season.

[80]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I think we'd have to keep Targett if he goes.

 

Seems the only interest we've had for him has been loan deals anyway, so probably makes more sense.

 

Also Targett, is more of a similar replacement for how we used Hall this season.

Targett is pretty perfect for us if he ever resolves his fitness issues. That 'if' is ludicrous, though.

[Newcastle Fan]

Kelly isn't physical enough for a CB and isn't technical enough for an LB, that's the main problem and he's clearly just been brought on because of the Howe connection.

[TRon]

5 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Think that’s a bit OTT. He wasn’t exactly known as a world class defender when we signed him. He was a decent option for a PL team and I don’t really think that’s changed. He’s hardly ruined his reputation. 

 

 

 

 

I probably used the wrong term in "plummeted". I actually think he's still more than likely a very good CB, and I think my posts on this thread will bear that out. I should have  maybe clarified his stock has plummeted on NO here where some people are ready to sell for £10m. If he's not playing first team football and he's performed below par when he's been given the shirt, then his stock will drop somewhat.

[The Prophet]

4 hours ago, Newcastle Fan said:

Kelly isn't physical enough for a CB and isn't technical enough for an LB, that's the main problem and he's clearly just been brought on because of the Howe connection.

 

Clearly that's the only reason, it's not like he was a very solid defender at Bournemouth or anything.

[SUPERTOON]

He was and still is a sensible squad addition, however in our PSR position if we get a good offer it makes perfect sense to sell him. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 17:16 by SUPERTOON

[The Prophet]

 

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

Only way we accept that is if it includes a huge (for Lloyd Kelly) mandatory fee in the summer.

[SUPERTOON]

Juventus are pushing for both Lloyd Kelly and Renato Veiga. In these hours new contacts to advance with both. The two profiles are not alternatives.

[STM]

Weird seeing all these Italian Journos after we signed Tonali.

[KaKa]

Been looking at their list of centre backs and it isn't very impressive.

 

Distinct lack of left footers too, which isn't the best all and end all, but clubs do like that option.

 

Especially in Motta's system where the centre backs need to be able to carry the ball down their side of the pitch.

[Paully]

From the Athletic - sounds like the huge wages are untrue if Chris Waugh is correct

 

 

Surely getting a rumoured £15million and Lloyd Kelly’s alleged high wages off the bill is “free money” in a PSR world? — Chris M.

Waugh: The Kelly situation is not one which was envisaged when the winter transfer window opened at the start of the month. That is not to be misconstrued as thinking Newcastle have been, or indeed are, actively looking to sell him. Rather, an opportunity may present itself with Kelly which, in PSR (the Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules) terms, makes sense for the club.

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With Kelly arriving on a free transfer from Bournemouth last July after his contract there expired, there was no fee paid, meaning there is no amortisation cost. Usually, transfer expenditure is spread over a contract so, if Newcastle paid £25million ($30.8m) for someone on a five-year deal, that would be £5m per season over that time. Often when a player is sold, not all of the fee can immediately be ‘banked’ for PSR, because the remaining amortised costs must be deducted.

But Newcastle do not have any expenditure to write off with Kelly, so any fee they receive for him would bolster their PSR in full. To clarify, however, rumours that the 26-year-old defender is among the club’s highest earners are untrue.

Theoretically, Kelly could be expendable given his squad status. He has made only four Premier League starts this season and just seven in all competitions. With Sven Botman and Emil Krafth fit again, alongside Dan Burn and Fabian Schar, there are four senior centre-halves available to Howe, plus Lewis Hall and Matt Targett at left-back.

 

Kelly has only made seven starts in his debut season with Newcastle (Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Even so, ideally Newcastle would hold onto Kelly. Yes, he has struggled this season, but he has three previous years of Premier League experience and only turned 26 in October, while most of Newcastle’s centre-halves, Botman aside, are already 30 or over, and the defence’s age profile needs to be reduced. Signing a replacement who can cover two positions, like Kelly can, would not be cheap, so that must be considered too.

Neither Fenerbahce of Turkey nor Italy’s Juventus have seriously tested Newcastle’s resolve yet. The former’s permanent offer was too low — their vice-president going public with their interest was received negatively inside St James’ Park — while the latter’s loan bid is not in Newcastle’s interests.

If any club were to make a serious bid — probably in excess of £15million, if not £20m — then Newcastle would have a decision to make, given the potential PSR effects. For now, though, Kelly is not set to leave before the February 3 deadline.

[Rod]

18 hours ago, TRon said:

 

I probably used the wrong term in "plummeted". I actually think he's still more than likely a very good CB, and I think my posts on this thread will bear that out. I should have  maybe clarified his stock has plummeted on NO here where some people are ready to sell for £10m. If he's not playing first team football and he's performed below par when he's been given the shirt, then his stock will drop somewhat.

Well defended with a straight bat there Tron.