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Andy

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If there's an option to sell for a reasonable fee, we should be all over it IMO. He just doesn't feel like a good fit for us in the same way that someone like Wood didn't, it doesn't mean he won't go on to be a good player elsewhere or hasn't been a solid player previously, but he has never looked comfortable or like he "belongs" playing for us. 

 

Sometimes you can just tell that a player isn't the right fit and that's definitely how I feel watching him. 

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The Prophet

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4 hours ago, Paully said:

From the Athletic - sounds like the huge wages are untrue if Chris Waugh is correct

 

 

Surely getting a rumored £15million and Lloyd Kelly's alleged high wages off the bill is “free money” in a PSR world? —Chris M.

Waugh: The Kelly situation is not one which was envisaged when the winter transfer window opened at the start of the month. That is not to be misconstrued as thinking Newcastle have been, or indeed are, actively looking to sell him. Rather, an opportunity may present itself with Kelly which, in PSR (the Premier League's profitability and sustainability rules) terms, makes sense for the club.

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With Kelly arriving on a free transfer from Bournemouth last July after his contract there expired, there was no fee paid, meaning there is no amortization cost. Usually, transfer expenditure is spread over a contract so, if Newcastle paid £25million ($30.8m) for someone on a five-year deal, that would be £5m per season over that time. Often when a player is sold, not all of the fee can immediately be 'banked' for PSR, because the remaining amortized costs must be deducted.

But Newcastle do not have any expenditure to write off with Kelly, so any fee they receive for him would bolster their PSR in full. To clarify, however, rumors that the 26-year-old defender is among the club's highest earners are untrue.

Theoretically, Kelly could be expendable given his squad status. He has made only four Premier League starts this season and just seven in all competitions. With Sven Botman and Emil Krafth fit again, alongside Dan Burn and Fabian Schar, there are four senior centre-halves available to Howe, plus Lewis Hall and Matt Targett at left-back.

 

Kelly has only made seven starts in his debut season with Newcastle (Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Even so, ideally Newcastle would hold onto Kelly. Yes, he has struggled this season, but he has three previous years of Premier League experience and only turned 26 in October, while most of Newcastle's centre-halves, Botman aside, are already 30 or over, and the defence's age profile needs to be reduced. Signing a replacement who can cover two positions, like Kelly can, would not be cheap, so that must be considered too.

Neither Fenerbahce of Turkey nor Italy's Juventus have seriously tested Newcastle's resolve yet. The former's permanent offer was too low — their vice-president going public with their interest was received negatively inside St James' Park — while the latter's loan bid is not in Newcastle's interests.

If any club were to make a serious bid — probably in excess of £15million, if not £20m — then Newcastle would have a decision to make, given the potential PSR effects. For now, though, Kelly is not set to leave before the February 3 deadline.

 

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toontownman

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5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

The Italian journo who hated us signing Tonali is saying this is close to being done fwiw.

Links to an article (below) Not any new info really, planning to come to us with a loan to buy bid and are hopeful it will happen. Unless he is Tweeting an update from the article. I  https://www.calciomercato.com/news/la-juventus-non-si-ferma-a-renato-veiga-nuovo-tentativo-per-lloy-92094

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Alberto2005

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If we do sell Kelly in this window, I think not signing anyone is mental.

 

What's the point in selling Kelly this window if we aren't bringing anyone in?

 

It's not like we won't be able to get a similar fee in the Summer for him.

 

 

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toontownman

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Juventus also apparently speaking with Todibo and West Ham as an alternative.

 https://football-italia.net/juventus-start-talks-with-todibo-kelly-veiga/

 

Seems weird he could go there when on loan to West Ham for the season and they have an obligation to buy lol. Is that transfer even doable? Marseille wanted him too. Pay West Ham to cancel the loan and then agree a fee with Nice??

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timeEd32

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3 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

If we do sell Kelly in this window, I think not signing anyone is mental.

 

What's the point in selling Kelly this window if we aren't bringing anyone in?

 

It's not like we won't be able to get a similar fee in the Summer for him.

 

 

 

 

This is the same approach that has led to Almiron, Trippier, and others still being here. If it's the right deal for a non-contributor then it needs to happen.

 

If we want the transfer thread to ever be fun again we need more revenue and we need to shed costs of any player who is expensive and/or not a starter (Trippier, Almiron, Barnes (cue freakout), Targett, Kelly, possibly Willock, etc). We are not in a position to have both Cadillac level starters in Isak, Bruno, Tonali, etc. and expensive (and aging) depth.

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Alberto2005

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7 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

This is the same approach that has led to Almiron, Trippier, and others still being here. If it's the right deal for a non-contributor then it needs to happen.

 

If we want the transfer thread to ever be fun again we need more revenue and we need to shed costs of any player who is expensive and/or not a starter (Trippier, Almiron, Barnes (cue freakout), Targett, Kelly, possibly Willock, etc). We are not in a position to have both Cadillac level starters in Isak, Bruno, Tonali, etc. and expensive (and aging) depth.

I think those are slightly different, they're both at the back end of their career where it's much harder to get any kind of fee so if you got offered something you'd take it.

 

Kelly is in his mid 20s and could possibly improve.

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2 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

I think those are slightly different, they're both at the back end of their career where it's much harder to get any kind of fee so if you got offered something you'd take it.

 

Kelly is in his mid 20s and could possibly improve.

 

Maybe. There's a lot of factors here that we aren't privy to. What are his actual wages and likely a signing bonus that is amortised? Do we feel the same about him as when he signed or have we been disappointed? Is the player happy or is this not the role he thought he was getting?

 

We might be thrilled about him and this is a lot of hot air and we'd only sell at a pretty significant price. It's also possible we're just not in a position to turn down a reasonable offer and this gives us more flexibility / is the least bad of a few potential bad options. Or it could be that we're thrilled to get an opportunity at a do-over on him.

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mighty__mag

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5 hours ago, Alberto2005 said:

If we do sell Kelly in this window, I think not signing anyone is mental.

 

What's the point in selling Kelly this window if we aren't bringing anyone in?

 

It's not like we won't be able to get a similar fee in the Summer for him.

 

 

 

 

Slightly different take, we get a player on a free, only pay him half a seasons salary, and make 15m is kinda good business. 

 

 

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