Paul Mitchell

[Kid Icarus]

22 minutes ago, Lordshola said:

Going big on a cb was the aim, but Thiaw fell through, then Guehi became an option.

 

It appears there may have been another 1 or 2 in their scope but ultimately decided those players wouldn’t improve the first team.

 

So then they were left with going after Guehi. For 70m. Obviously (Just like everyone on here) they didn’t think Guehi was worth 70m. So they left it, thinking it’s better to not spend at all, than to spend on another player that wouldn’t improve the team.

 

Doesn't that make sense?

No, because as is mentioned in the article and we all know ourselves, CB wasn't the only position we needed to strengthen. We weren't left with going for Guehi, we chose that as our one and only strategy.

[SUPERTOON]

Based on the media reports this morning, I’d be amazed if the 3 of them are still here by January.(I don’t mean all 3 will be gone, but I think at least one will)

[Stuy_O]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Fuck me, that was a grim read.

 

At some point in my lifetime I’d love for NUFC to just be a normal, well-run club.  We always seem to be in chaos or on the verge of it.

 

I really do think we’re bastard cursed. 

 

I've been thinking similar. We need some good results now to just calm everything down. 

 

I can't think of another club where there seems to be an almost constant disconnect between board and management. If it needs explaining, criticising the window and the power struggle isn't comparing it to the Ashley days, at all. Since we were taken over it's been uncharted territory in terms of our operation, and a lot has been amazing to see. 

 

This window though has been an ugly reminder that there's always something going on - just when you were beginning to think those days were history. 

[gbandit]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Based on the media reports this morning, I’d be amazed if the 3 of them are still here by January.(I don’t mean all 3 will be gone, but I think at least one will)

One of Eales, Howe or Mitchell gone by January? It’s not going to be Mitchell as he’s literally just got here. It’s not going to be Howe as he’s absolutely class and the best possible manager we could have under the current circumstances. So if anyone goes it would be Eales but I’d be surprised if he went, not massively but still surprised. Not read any reports other than Caulkins today and Edwards yesterday. Not reading any of Hope’s shite 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, gbandit said:

One of Eales, Howe or Mitchell gone by January? It’s not going to be Mitchell as he’s literally just got here. It’s not going to be Howe as he’s absolutely class and the best possible manager we could have under the current circumstances. So if anyone goes it would be Eales but I’d be surprised if he went, not massively but still surprised. Not read any reports other than Caulkins today and Edwards yesterday. Not reading any of Hope’s shite 

I hope they can all get together and work well, I get the feeling from the articles they are leaving Howe out to dry. 

[timnufc22]

Wouldn’t unearthing bargain gems like we did with Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Perez & Schar for example be more relevant than ever if PSR is such an issue? That they couldn’t find any players they thought would improve the team is a damning indictment of their scouting and judgement.
 

Having to be careful that the player will definitely improve us is not an excuse to sign no-one when they’re paid a fortune to use their ‘expertise’ that identify quality in a player that others don’t necessarily see. Anyone from the street could have decided Guehi was a good player to go for or that Kelly was a good option on a free… is that what they’re paid a fortune for? No expertise or clever scouting has been demonstrated, which flies in the face of PSR concerns.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Is this the place where we can discuss if the DoF model is overrated, btw? 

 

Long-term strategy role but the vast majority all seem to hop about every couple of years while talking a load of management speak shite.

 

Similar to managers, the good ones are really good and the rest aren't. Feels like everyone thinks they need to have one in some guise but I'm not sure that's the case.

 

 

Edited August 31 by Gallowgate Toon

[Lordshola]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

No, because as is mentioned in the article and we all know ourselves, CB wasn't the only position we needed to strengthen. We weren't left with going for Guehi, we chose that as our one and only strategy.

Yes it was chosen to go for a cb and try for a loan for a rw.

 

But that wasn’t the plan from the start…

[gbandit]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

I hope they can all get together and work well, I get the feeling from the articles they are leaving Howe out to dry. 

That would be absolutely mental on their parts and incredibly self-destructive. It’s clear there has been major unrest, I think a lot of that has likely calmed down now and they’ve basically had an enormous fuck-up of huge proportions that is down to some of the senior personnel changing, PSR, miscalculations about getting Tosin and then a terrible misguided decision to go for Guehi. I don’t think it’s more sinister than that and I seriously hope it’s not because if Howe goes we’re taking an enormous step backwards

[Keegans Export]

4 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

 

This window though has been an ugly reminder that there's always something going on - just when you were beginning to think those days were history. 

I don't think that's exclusive to us mind.

 

Everton are still in the shit. Palace have sold some excellent players and their owner is looking to sell up to potentially buy Everton. Chelsea have a squad of about 45 and their manager has very publicly said half of them are of no interest to him. Man Utd were actively (and very publicly) seeking a new manager a matter of months ago before deciding they'd just stick with who they've got. Brentford have just sold their star striker for about £20m less than they'd wanted after sticking by him throughout his 8-month ban.

 

There's probably more but that's all that springs to mind.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, gbandit said:

That would be absolutely mental on their parts and incredibly self-destructive. It’s clear there has been major unrest, I think a lot of that has likely calmed down now and they’ve basically had an enormous fuck-up of huge proportions that is down to some of the senior personnel changing, PSR, miscalculations about getting Tosin and then a terrible misguided decision to go for Guehi. I don’t think it’s more sinister than that and I seriously hope it’s not because if Howe goes we’re taking an enormous step backwards

Couldn’t agree more, hopefully we get some sort of communication from the club. A win tomorrow would be huge as well.

[Numbers]

54 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

They’re all questions that journalists should be asking. Perhaps you can answer - what’s he brought to the role?

Yep Fair Questions, he was brought in to do a job and so far hasn't delivered but as others say its early days. We also have no idea of what actually went on behind the scenes so to say"As pointless as he is bald. Get to fuck - just another shill." is bit daft.

 

I am however fucking astounded that we couldn't find a better RW that Miggy/Murphy.

[Iwantcurlyhair2]

If Hope's article is right regarding Eales telling PIF that Amanda and Mehrdad were holding him back, the pressure on him is huge and from both PIF and the fans. Hopefully Eddy has that much credit with PIF that any fall off this season is on Eales not Eddy. I wouldn't put it past Eddy to achieve top 4 regardless and dig Eales and Mitchell out of the mess they've created

[Keegans Export]

Just now, Numbers said:

 

I am however fucking astounded that we couldn't find a better RW that Miggy/Murphy.

I've been working on the assumption that the plan is to get Gordon-Isak-Barnes working as a front three so it wasn't a case of "better than Almiron/Murphy". Having said that I have no evidence for this and I do tend to lean towards the eternal optimist side of the argument...

[Kid Icarus]

FWIW, as much of a shit stirrer as he is, Hope's article backs up Caulkin and Waugh's.

 

Eales in particular comes out of it looking really bad, with multiple sources (again from Hope so pinch of salt needed) saying he was the driving force pushing Staveley and Ghodoussi out of the club because they were too hands on.

 

Cut to them leaving and us bumbling around the transfer window.

 

 

Edited August 31 by Kid Icarus

[madras]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Couldn’t agree more, hopefully we get some sort of communication from the club. A win tomorrow would be huge as well.

What communication do you envisage? One where they tell you exactly what happened and why ? 

 

It may be as basic as they thought they had a deal until Riad got injured.

[LFEE]

49 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

FWIW, here's the article:

 

I recommend everyone reads it before dismissing concerns about him and Eales.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Inside Newcastle’s ‘embarrassing’ transfer window: frustration, hurt and flirting with ‘carnage’

By Chris Waugh and George Caulkin

 

 

First, the good news. Newcastle United have retained their best players this summer. This is not a negligible achievement given those players include Bruno Guimaraes, Alexander Isak and Anthony Gordon, who are game-changers, difference-makers and much-admired elsewhere.

 

Now for the less good. For the second window in succession, Newcastle have failed to strengthen their first team. Once you can get away with — January is never an easy month — but twice feels problematic, particularly when the big idea is to challenge at the top of the Premier League.

 

Or, as Alan Shearer, the club’s record goalscorer, described it, “embarrassing”.

 

Newcastle’s most expensive signing? Lewis Hall, who they committed to buying 12 months earlier. The second-most expensive? That is understood to be Odysseas Vlachodimos (his fee was never confirmed), a goalkeeper who was on nobody’s list a couple of months ago and who was brought in to ensure Newcastle satisfied the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules (PSR).

 

If 2024 has been a year when reality has crashed head-first into Newcastle’s post-takeover existence, when Amanda Staveley, their agent of change, made a tearful farewell, and when selling has suddenly become as vital as buying, that does not adequately explain why their business has been so underwhelming.

 

Not when they spent a wearing, fruitless month in pursuit of Marc Guehi, a player Crystal Palace always valued above £65million ($85.5m). Not when the window shut without Newcastle improving their priority positions. This cannot be painted as a triumph.

 

Here is Darren Eales, Newcastle’s chief executive, speaking in July: “With that new (PSR) cycle ahead of us now, how can we look to strengthen? How can we look to go to the next level?”

 

Here is Paul Mitchell, their new sporting director, talking the same month: “I always go into every window (saying), ‘How can we make the team better, how can we make the team more set up to win?’. So that’s the challenge this window.”

 

All of those questions have been answered: they haven’t.

 

“We were told by Darren Eales and Paul Mitchell that they were going to sign players,” Shearer tells The Athletic. “To do so little does not reflect well on them at all. Every single club who will be in and around fighting with Newcastle this season has improved significantly. It’s very, very disappointing.”

 

Howe did not sugarcoat that aspect. “If your competition is improving and you’re not, then that is a huge concern,” he said.

 

On and off the pitch, the narrative around Newcastle has been one of disquiet, from the boardroom to the manager’s office to the dressing room, where some players have felt vulnerable or expendable. “There has been so much uncertainty in the squad,” said one senior source, speaking anonymously, like others quoted in this article, to discuss club strategy openly.

 

In that regard, the window closing is positive because it provides some clarity. Howe has a fine team and a good squad and he is an exceptional coach. They can all now refocus.

Howe will be relieved to have kept Anthony Gordon (Eddie Keogh/Getty Images)

 

Yet it also leaves Howe short, particularly in Guehi’s position. Good players relish competition, good clubs understand when to strengthen and refresh and even exceptional coaches need to demonstrate progress. This is how the equation works; come here or stay here and I’ll make you better. Come here to be part of a project. Come here to win.

 

Supporters, too, have played their part in the equation, stomaching price-rises for tickets and buying new replica kits.

 

While Newcastle insist their long-term ambitions remain intact and that their guiding principle is to “do things right”, which includes fiscal responsibility, there is still no new stadium or training ground and no more difference-makers have arrived. It means, once again, it falls back to Howe and his powers of alchemy.

 

Whatever the context, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that, in the short term at least, Howe has been undermined. “You can make an argument for that,” he said when asked if his squad was weaker than last season. How does that correspond to Eales saying, “It’s a big year for us… we expect to really be in Europe”?

 

If the idea is to avoid wasting resources on inferior players, then fair enough. If it is to try again in January or go big next summer, then OK, but it still represents a risk. Football feeds off momentum and although Newcastle are unbeaten over their opening three matches, each has been a struggle. Everybody needed and expected a lift.

 

After almost three years of uplift and unity, of avoiding relegation, of charging to a cup final and reaching the top four, it was faintly astonishing to hear Howe say, “What we can’t do as a football club is tear ourselves apart,” even if that was a statement of the obvious rather than a premonition of doom.

 

go-deeper

 

GO DEEPER

 

Eddie Howe, 'alignment' and the end of Newcastle's era of intimacy

 

It was also the language of an unlamented era and it accompanied another familiar sensation; while there was a late toss of the dice with a failed move for Nottingham Forest’s Anthony Elanga, not for the first time in Newcastle’s modern history, deadline day rolled by like tumbleweed in a desert.

 

“It just feels like transfer windows of old,” says Alex Hurst of the True Faith podcast. “Money to spend but no money spent, weeks of speculation about the same players, an irate manager having to answer questions on things outside his control — stuff we thought we’d never have to experience again. There are no upsides to this.”

 

Over the past three months, The Athletic has spoken to well-placed contacts to tell the story of the summer transfer window, granting them anonymity so they could speak freely. This is what happened.

 

This was not the summer anyone envisaged. In April, Newcastle had a clear idea of what was required, even with the spectre of the PSR deadline.

 

Two centre-backs, a right-sided forward and a second-choice goalkeeper were the priorities. A striker and a third-choice goalkeeper were also desired. Wider than that, Howe believed it essential to appoint a quality sporting director as soon as possible.

 

By July 4, Newcastle had made four signings — including Hall — and raised more than £65m by selling Yankuba Minteh and Elliot Anderson, while Mitchell had been confirmed as sporting director. Yet, aside from William Osula, a third-choice striker, joining on August 8, Newcastle failed to bring in anyone else. For the final month, Newcastle embarked upon a very public (not their doing), curious and ultimately futile crusade for Guehi, a failure that has defined their summer.

 

How they got to this point and what has happened — and not happened — is complex and anything but linear.

 

Senior figures always acknowledged this was a “big window”, not necessarily a transformative summer, but an “important one”. With 11 players entering the final year of their deals, there was an acceptance Newcastle needed to move people out and bring in “quality, game-changing” additions.

 

The failure to qualify for Europe meant the squad needed trimming, so Paul Dummett and Matt Ritchie were released, but selling others was not straightforward, especially before June 30. Offers would have been considered for Matt Targett, Callum Wilson, Kieran Trippier, Miguel Almiron and Martin Dubravka, but no serious bids arrived.

 

Regardless, a confidence was expressed that Newcastle did have the capacity to augment Howe’s squad. There was a need to be “savvy”, one person familiar with the club’s thinking said, while another insisted Newcastle’s approach had to be “dynamic and creative”.

 

Part of the strategy was to target Premier League-experienced free agents. With Sven Botman and Jamaal Lascelles sidelined until late 2024, two defenders were sought, with Bournemouth’s Lloyd Kelly and Fulham’s Tosin Adarabioyo fitting their needs. Kelly’s versatility at left-back and centre-half was attractive and Tosin could finally provide a ball-playing alternative to Fabian Schar.

 

While Kelly was secured, Newcastle’s early move for Tosin was hijacked by Chelsea, which left figures inside St James’ “really pissed off”. Tosin choosing Chelsea had a profound effect on Newcastle’s window. The indication had been that most of their budget would be used on a right-winger, but now, ideally, it needed to stretch to another centre-half. Even so, Newcastle persisted with their ambitious plan to lure their top right-winger target.

 

In early June, Newcastle received permission to speak with Michael Olise, after meeting his Crystal Palace release clause of around £50m. The 22-year-old chose to join Bayern Munich, but the wages required to secure Olise were well beyond Newcastle’s salary structure anyway.

 

When referencing the false impression some observers still hold about Newcastle’s perceived wealth, one source remarked wryly, “We couldn’t even get someone in from Crystal Palace.” The same sentiment could be applied to Dougie Freedman, the sporting director who rejected Newcastle in May, and Guehi. Newcastle’s intended goalkeeping restructure also proved far from straightforward.

Vlachodimos was a PSR-prompted arrival at Newcastle (Nigel Roddis/Getty Images)

 

In spring, a genuine rival for the No 1 jersey was considered. Checks were made on Arsenal’s Aaron Ramsdale and Valencia’s Giorgi Mamardashvili, but once Nick Pope proved his fitness after shoulder surgery, Newcastle targeted a different profile of goalkeeper. A backup who could provide competition and, longer term, succeed Pope was sought. Newcastle opened negotiations with Burnley for James Trafford in early June but paused after Burnley demanded more than £20m.

 

The intention had been to revive those discussions — and Newcastle considered doing so after Mitchell watched Trafford at the Stadium of Light last weekend — but the goalkeeper restructure was affected by the PSR fallout. John Ruddy had agreed to replace the departed Loris Karius before Vlachodimos became a necessary purchase to facilitate Anderson’s sale.

 

That left Newcastle with five senior goalkeepers, two signed this summer, and yet that department has not actually been strengthened… despite Forest valuing Vlachodimos at £20m.

 

Post-PSR and once Mitchell arrived, multiple sources described Newcastle as being “back to square one” recruitment-wise as the new hierarchy recalibrated. The desire to bring in players who improved the first XI remained, but Newcastle’s strategy changed, partly out of necessity and partly by design.

 

Wilson’s back injury hampered any prospects of an exit yet, given his fitness record, Newcastle needed another forward. Dominic Calvert-Lewin had been close to joining in June as part of a proposed swap deal with Everton for Minteh, but that was largely PSR-driven.

 

Howe wanted a younger striker who would accept their status behind Isak. It was Mitchell who led the acquisition of Osula from Sheffield United for an initial £10m. The players’ representatives unusually found out about the approach only once a fee was agreed. The 21-year-old is primarily seen as a raw “project player” rather than someone who will make an immediate impact.

 

If West Ham’s Jarrod Bowen, Chelsea’s Noni Madueke and Elanga were among the right-wingers to appear on recruitment lists — Newcastle even asked about the latter during talks with Forest over Anderson, and then again on deadline day when Almiron was floated as a makeweight in addition to a £30m fee — by August, the focus had shifted.

 

Rather than split their budget, Mitchell wanted to set aside most of their budget on a defender. A loan deal for a winger would have worked, possibly with an obligation to buy, but the finances were diverted towards pursuing Guehi.

 

Guehi was not the only centre-back target Howe sanctioned. AC Milan’s Malick Thiaw was admired, Bayer Leverkusen’s Edmond Tapsoba has long been tracked, and others were discussed — but Newcastle’s recruitment staff watched Guehi regularly last season and at Euro 2024 and Mitchell believed he could secure a deal.

Newcastle failed in their bid to get Marc Guehi (Justin Setterfield/Getty Images)

 

Dialogue was opened while Newcastle were touring Japan and Palace’s hierarchy were at the Navy Marine Corps Stadium in Maryland for their pre-season friendly with Wolves on July 31. Steve Parish, Palace’s chairman, made it clear that Guehi was valued at around £70m, but Newcastle’s opening offer was closer to £50m.

 

Over the following month, on-off conversations took place and offers were made, though the volume of actual bids became a point of contention, with as many as four claimed (a figure Newcastle dispute).

 

Rather than reduce their demands — Parish insisted the 24-year-old warranted a “superstar” fee — Palace bullishly named Guehi as captain for their first three fixtures. When Schar was sent off against Southampton in Newcastle’s opener, Palace’s position strengthened.

 

Puzzlingly, there was a confidence emanating from Newcastle’s hierarchy that a deal would get done. Guehi, they believed, wanted to join but, desperate not to return to a fraught PSR situation, Newcastle were unwilling to go above £65m.

 

As time dragged on, contingencies were explored. Contact was made with Leverkusen for Tapsoba, but a deal never appeared realistic. Chelsea’s Axel Disasi was proposed but some at Newcastle were not convinced he would improve the team. Newcastle threatening to pivot elsewhere did not force a softening at Palace, however, and negotiations remained deadlocked.

 

Although Howe was desperate for a centre-back and there was a unanimous view that Guehi would improve Newcastle, a similar consensus was not reached on attainable alternatives.

 

Newcastle point to how Liverpool and Arsenal reacted following their failed pursuits of Martin Zubimendi and Benjamin Sesko. Rather than make panic buys, they opted to wait for the ‘right player’. They considered other centre-backs, but Newcastle felt the same about Guehi.

Newcastle did sign William Osula (Nigel Roddis/Getty Images)

 

The drumbeat for the past few months has been discomfort. “It’s going to be our hardest summer,” Howe said in April, citing “unknown factors”. That was a reference to Newcastle being obliged to meet their PSR requirements, the £100m release clause in Guimaraes’ contract and the challenge of finding better players.

 

By mid-July, with Newcastle ensconced at Adidas headquarters in Germany, Howe’s prophecy had been fulfilled, at least from his perspective. “It has been a very difficult summer for everyone connected with the club,” he said.

 

Co-owners Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi — Howe’s biggest allies at the top of the club and who were pivotal to doing deals — had just sold their minority shareholding and the head coach had been unaware of Mitchell’s appointment until shortly beforehand.

 

On Newcastle’s race to comply with PSR, Howe said, “It was a really difficult time. There was a lot of uncertainty and we didn’t know what was going to happen.” Before their opener with Southampton, Howe spoke about, “the most difficult window I’ve experienced”. Unpicking all this difficulty is… well, difficult, yet it has been the first window post-takeover where doubt has had fertile ground to grow.

 

“We’re not stupid, we’d seen all the stuff with financial fair play and who was on the table and who wasn’t on the table. The way it seemed, everyone had their price,” Sean Longstaff said in Japan.

 

Howe’s position was also less clear. Staveley and Ghodoussi had been a safety net, a source of information and support. Now, under Mitchell, relationships were recast and Howe was on the outside; when he said he did not know what was happening with transfers, it was not bluster. On Friday, he admitted this has been his “most hands-off window”.

 

While it was not a reflection on Mitchell’s ability — and the sporting director always faced a challenging introduction given he was only appointed on July 4 — this shift was what Howe was alluding to in Germany when he responded to a question of whether he would still be in his role for the start of the season. “As long as I’m happy in the position that I’m in. As long as I feel supported and free to work in the way I want to work,” he said.

 

The PSR debacle left Howe particularly bruised. Everybody at Newcastle had known this moment was approaching, with directors warning ad nauseam from the moment they bought the club that financial rules were an issue they could not ignore. Yet by the time each window came around, they spent more than they envisaged.

 

By January, fear had taken grip. Everton’s initial 10-point deduction for breaching PSR — later reduced to six points — focused minds across the Premier League and meant Newcastle could not bolster their injury-riven squad. Raising funds was not easy; there were no takers for Almiron and although there were bids from Bayern Munich for Trippier, they decided they could not afford to lose his experience.

 

Newcastle have been poor sellers for years, retaining players rather than refreshing and trouble was being stored up. Despite that, the opening of the market on June 14 brought a fortnight of strain that nobody had quite anticipated. It was “a window of two windows”, as one source put it.

 

Minteh and Anderson, two young players of huge potential, finally left for Brighton and Forest — Staveley fronted the Minteh sale — bringing in good money, but the relief was tempered. “No sensible football club in Europe would be flogging Minteh and Anderson unless they had to,” said one person with knowledge of the situation. It was also a desperately close call.

 

On the morning of June 29, Newcastle were still staring at a £60m shortfall; internally, they were talking about a 10-point deduction. Afterwards, some figures at the club spoke about using the media as a smokescreen, insisting reports linking Liverpool with Gordon and Chelsea with Isak were largely intended to flush out Brighton and Forest, but this was viewed very differently by others.

Mitchell and Eales had a difficult summer (Serena Taylor/Newcastle United/Getty Images)

 

Before Brighton’s interest was established, Minteh had rejected a £40m move to Lyon, causing huge “frustration and annoyance” on Tyneside and, for a little while, Newcastle were flailing. Talks with Liverpool over deals for Gordon and Joe Gomez, who would have signed for Newcastle, were advanced enough for payment terms to be discussed. “That was when we were at our most vulnerable,” a high-ranking figure says.

 

“It was horrific — the worst period I’ve ever experienced in football,” another source says, reflecting a view shared by others. “We were facing a massive points deduction. It would have been carnage.”

 

While that did not happen, the concern at Newcastle was that Gordon’s head had been turned by Liverpool, who he supported as a boy, and through no fault of his own, Howe would be left to pick up the pieces.

 

How would Gordon feel now? What about Isak? One senior source explained: “There was only one conversation with Chelsea, they enquired and then walked away because it would have taken massive money. It was never going anywhere and we wanted him to stay.”

 

In some regards, July provided reassurance. Newcastle had kept their biggest stars and Guimaraes’ clause had not been triggered.

 

Yet Trippier, a standard-bearer under Howe, had already been exploring a move away and was left hurt by his demotion to vice-captain in Guimaraes’ favour. Almiron was aware Newcastle had been seeking to sell him. Ultimately, they both stayed, as did Dubravka and Wilson, senior players who had been expected to leave. All of them are great professionals, but the uncertainty is hardly ideal at a club whose USP has been unity.

 

This has been new territory for Newcastle and Howe, their first unsettling window. “That’s a fair comment,” he said. “That’s probably something that may well exist here for the foreseeable future.”

 

Trading had always been part of this summer’s plan. In July, Eales said about PSR, “We do not want to be leaving ourselves in that situation again in such tight circumstances,” but while there was no scramble in the second half of this two-window window, there was no big signing either.

 

“We’re in a really difficult situation with PSR, available funds and attracting the right players who can make a difference. It’s such a delicate spot, we’ve got to get it right — and doing nothing, as frustrating as that is, is probably the best option,” Howe said.

 

Until January, the difficulty is all his.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting article. Though learnt nothing new from it. Felt like i was the secret source actually. The Tosin deal not happening and having to buy/sell Anderson Minteh and the GK at a big fee to avoid points deduction ultimately had a big knock on effect for a budget that was never big enough for both a quality RCB and RW.

 

The only blame I’d lay at anyone’s feet is they probably thought PSR had very little teeth until late on last season teams started getting points deducted. Though to be fair to them most fans were saying it had no sporting teeth and the sanctions would be financial. 

 

Keep Minteh and secure Tosin and how different the whole window would’ve been viewed with most of our budget still available to shop around.

 

Time to get behind the manager and the players and see where we are in January.

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, Lordshola said:

Yes it was chosen to go for a cb and try for a loan for a rw.

 

But that wasn’t the plan from the start…

Which would be fine if that strategy was successful or they'd given up on it and restrategised for other positions when it became obvious that it would be unsuccessful about 2 weeks ago. 

 

Instead they persevered until the 11th hour. There's no escaping that they made an absolute dog's ear of it.

[aussiemag]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

FWIW, as much of a shit stirrer as he is, Hope's article backs up Caulkin and Waugh's.

 

Eales in particular comes out of it looking really bad, with multiple sources (again from Hope so pinch of salt needed) forcing Staveley and Ghodoussi out of the club because they were too hands on.

 

Cut to them leaving and us bumbling around the transfer window.

 

 

 

 

As much as Amanda and Mehrdad were fantastic, it was also them that lead us into the frantic PSR sales at the end of June that almost led us to either losing key players or a points deduction. Eales and Mitchell have also lead poorly since they left. 

[tinoasprilla]

Seems odd that the Saudis would side with Eales they’ve a long standing relationship with Staveley.  If it’s true I’d get shot of Eales

[ExiledGeordie]

25 minutes ago, gbandit said:

One of Eales, Howe or Mitchell gone by January? It’s not going to be Mitchell as he’s literally just got here. It’s not going to be Howe as he’s absolutely class and the best possible manager we could have under the current circumstances. So if anyone goes it would be Eales but I’d be surprised if he went, not massively but still surprised. Not read any reports other than Caulkins today and Edwards yesterday. Not reading any of Hope’s shite 

Yeah this is a wet dream for Hope

[aussiemag]

1 minute ago, tinoasprilla said:

Seems odd that the Saudis would side with Eales they’ve a long standing relationship with Staveley.  If it’s true I’d get shot of Eales

 

I think the close call on the PSR breach maybe helped make the decision for them. With Eales claiming he had no control over it. 

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

 

I've been thinking similar. We need some good results now to just calm everything down. 

 

I can't think of another club where there seems to be an almost constant disconnect between board and management. If it needs explaining, criticising the window and the power struggle isn't comparing it to the Ashley days, at all. Since we were taken over it's been uncharted territory in terms of our operation, and a lot has been amazing to see. 

 

This window though has been an ugly reminder that there's always something going on - just when you were beginning to think those days were history. 

100%.  While I still back Howe, even he doesn’t come out of this smelling of roses.  Sounds like there’s a lot of petty ego-driven power-play shite going on, and some of it just sounds like basic incompetence.  Mitchell sounds like he may be a bit of an arrogant bloke based on that article, but it would Eales who would be the one who worries me - I’m afraid I don’t hold his time at Atlanta as proof of his being an elite level football executive.  Maybe he’ll prove to be that, but I’ll happily write off the MLS as meaningless when it comes to the pressures of running a big English club.  Howe and Mitchell would walk into another top job at a top half PL club if they left NUFC.  I can’t say I think that re Eales.

 

I can’t even dismiss it as I’d trust Caulkin and Waugh to actually be diligent - they’re not sensationalist hacks, they never struck me as the sort who produce copy to just to create headlines.

 

Feels like the season starts now, tbh.  The celebrations after the Forest game have given me hope that despite everything the dressing room (including the management) remains united.  Hopefully the players haven’t been too unsettled and get on with it.  

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22 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Is this the place where we can discuss if the DoF model is overrated, btw? 

 

Long-term strategy role but the vast majority all seem to hop about every couple of years while talking a load of management speak shite.

 

Similar to managers, the good ones are really good and the rest aren't. Feels like everyone thinks they need to have one in some guise but I'm not sure that's the case.

 

 

 

Discuss away like, for me having. DOF is absolutely essential mind but of course it has to be done properly. The problem we have is Eddie had a lot of say (which isn’t a problem in itself) but now we’ve had to revert to the original plan and it’s obviously causing issues. 
 

The mad sums offered for Guehi imo were definitely an olive branch to show him they back him, I don’t for one moment believe Mitchell picks Guehi and says right then 70m let’s go. If he has then we need a competent DOF yesterday. 

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6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

100%.  While I still back Howe, even he doesn’t come out of this smelling of roses.  Sounds like there’s a lot of petty ego-driven power-play shite going on, and some of it just sounds like basic incompetence.  Mitchell sounds like he may be a bit of an arrogant bloke based on that article, but it would Eales who would be the one who worries me - I’m afraid I don’t hold his time at Atlanta as proof of his being an elite level football executive.  Maybe he’ll prove to be that, but I’ll happily write off the MLS as meaningless when it comes to the pressures of running a big English club.  Howe and Mitchell would walk into another top job at a top half PL club if they left NUFC.  I can’t say I think that re Eales.

 

I can’t even dismiss it as I’d trust Caulkin and Waugh to actually be diligent - they’re not sensationalist hacks, they never struck me as the sort who produce copy to just to create headlines.

 

Feels like the season starts now, tbh.  The celebrations after the Forest game have given me hope that despite everything the dressing room (including the management) remains united.  Hopefully the players haven’t been too unsettled and get on with it.  

To be very frank I think I’ll piece this together myself, most reporting on us are client journalists pushing certain agendas. Caulkin in particular.