The Prophet Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, Erikse said: Imagine if someone said this at the end of a Mike Ashley window. ...it's not a Mike Ashley window though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) It's such a weird one from Palace , like they could take 60 million from us now but they are doing themselves out of it by asking for a further 10 when really once this window closes the most they are going to get for him is about 30/40 million due to his contract. Looks to me like Parish just hates us and would rather sell to one of his big 6 mates for a lesser fee next year . Edited August 29 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, madras said: I don't. Do you think had Almiron gone for 20mill we'd have gone 80mill for Guehi ? 2nd paragraph is spot on though. I don't think we would have paid more than whatever we think he's worth, no. And it's possible Parish has been impossible to deal with. But outgoings to clear the necessary financial room? Very possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Right now we need 2 positives Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayDen Traces Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, The Prophet said: Some very tough, serious questions. Mitchell's done nothing of substance since coming in. This was a vital window and its been fumbled badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 This is one of the dumbest sagas I can remember. Have we actually been pleading with them all this time? All the info seems to be coming from Palace so who knows what we've actually done? But regardless, just walk away. We've all wasted tremendous amounts of time on this bullshit. I do hope there is a Plan B or C or Z or whatever we're on at this point that involves actually signing someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 minutes ago, Erikse said: Imagine if someone said this at the end of a Mike Ashley window. I can't take any of these Mike Ashley comparisons seriously. We've stretch our spending as far as we possibly can since the new owners walked through the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Honestly the media doesn't really come into it that much for me. They could have stayed silent and the reality would still be that we haven't looked anywhere close to signing any other CB or a RW, or having alternatives lined up, which is frankly incredibily unprofessional. The rest about us constantly persevering with Guehi is just the cherry on the top. These two things are inextricably linked though right? The only knowledge you have is based on what you are told by the press. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you and I have no idea what's been going on behind the scenes. Whatever has been going on, it certainly hasn't been successful but the success might not be made from lack of effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 29 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: It's been an absolute mess of a window, surely we can all admit that now? How dare you say that. Got to wait till Saturday morning before we can criticise and moan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, Geogaddi said: It's such a weird one from Palace , like they could take 60 million from us now but they are doing themselves out of it by asking for a further 10 when really once this window closes the most they are going to get for him is about 30/40 million due to his contract. Part of me thinks they don’t feel they could justify losing Ollie, Guehi and Eze in the same window to the fans and the manager as that looked to be the case at one point. Feel like he’ll sign a new deal after the window closes and it will have a release clause of about 60m in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, The Prophet said: ...it's not a Mike Ashley window though. It's pretty clear that we had money to spend, and we had time to find enough alternatives. I could make the same "we don't know what's being done" arguments for Ashley when he was here. It's not a great excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 All attention from those in charge can go onto another deal now. Need to move quickly but unfortunately selling clubs now know what our situation is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 12 minutes ago, The Prophet said: If I could ban anything on the forum, it'd be this phrase That and people bringing up the We don’t demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries... when more often than not it’s largely taken out of context Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, timeEd32 said: I don't think we would have paid more than whatever we think he's worth, no. And it's possible Parish has been impossible to deal with. But outgoings to clear the necessary financial room? Very possible. But not for this player. We've hit his ceiling so bringing an extra 20mill in isn't going to get him as we would t pay it. It probably is stopping us with the RW though that we should now be going for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 So the bed wetters were correct ? In all seriousness something hasn’t been quite right this window, however I’m glad we aren’t spending 70 million on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, HayDen Traces said: Mitchell's done nothing of substance since coming in. This was a vital window and its been fumbled badly. Mitchell has probably had very little input into the window mind, in terms of targets, etc. We’re all just guessing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 10 minutes ago, Kimbo said: It’s embarrassing because we should’ve moved on ages ago to another target. Hopefully they still have someone in mind and there’s still time. How do we know that they haven't like? All these leaks have come from the Palace end, and not ours, we tend to be very tight lipped about everything. Clubs don't just go for one target at a time likes is a binary thing, there'll be multiple conversations/deals going on at the same time. To me its seems Guehi was clearly our primary target, and we've wanted to sign him within our terms, so we've waited until a point where its clear its not going to happen before committing to the other deals before pivoting to other targets, whether thats the right thing or not, will depend on the next 36 hours. One thing that is for sure, the sensationalism from the press from the beginning has been fucking wank, and hasn't helped in any way, I also don't want to ever do business with Palace again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 All summer negotiating with Palace and we’ve got nothing to show for it Find it so hard to believe it’s all rosey behind the scenes and the leaks will come during international break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, STM said: These two things are inextricably linked though right? The only knowledge you have is based on what you are told by the press. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you and I have no idea what's been going on behind the scenes. Whatever has been going on, it certainly hasn't been successful but the success might not be made from lack of effort. Not really, because what we know is mainly informed by whether we've signed anyone or not and it being less than 48 hours until the deadline. If we'd been linked with everyone or noone all the time or none of the time that would still be the case. It's unbelievably poor. Edited August 29 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keggy_Keagal Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I can't take any of these Mike Ashley comparisons seriously. We've stretch our spending as far as we possibly can since the new owners walked through the door. It's because of Ashley we've been at the limit of PSR. His fucking ghost still haunts this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 I understand that it's not looking good, but what's the rush to call it pathetic and amateur ? None of us know the details, what if Palace agreed the deal in private and have now backed out, screwing us over. And what if, and this I really hope, the deal still happens and it shuts a few gobs. We're not being run by Ashley anymore, I never feel the need to slag the club off now, everything I've seen is geared to moving forward. Totally get it doesn't seems so in this window, but the rush to misery and negativity is mental imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, madras said: But not for this player. We've hit his ceiling so bringing an extra 20mill in isn't going to get him as we would t pay it. It probably is stopping us with the RW though that we should now be going for. I think you're more confident than I am that we have £60m or whatever to spend without any exits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: I can't take any of these Mike Ashley comparisons seriously. We've stretch our spending as far as we possibly can since the new owners walked through the door. I'm not making comparisons. They had time, and they clearly had money to spend. Something went wrong here, I'm sure the club is disappointed with how it went aswell. No point in going out of your way to make up excuses is my point. Edited August 29 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayDen Traces Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, Sibierski said: All summer negotiating with Palace and we’ve got nothing to show for it Find it so hard to believe it’s all rosey behind the scenes and the leaks will come during international break. Something doesn't feel right at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) I’ve got no doubts that we’ve been all in on Guehi. My concerns with this deal have always been that we’re paying higher than his value and we seemingly don’t have any alternatives that we’re realistically going to go for. If that doesn’t change in the next day and a bit then this has been an absolutely horrendous effort by us and surely multiple key people are at fault. I still think we can have a very good season but it’s the impact this will have on existing players, on Howe and future efforts to retain players which is the major concern. It feels like if we don’t strengthen and don’t get into Europe then the project is going to take several steps backwards. We basically have to somehow get a top five spot, possibly a Europa spot in order for this to not turn into a genuine disaster Edited August 29 by gbandit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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