Marc Guehi

[Lotus]

4 minutes ago, stozo said:

Who is going to Al Nassr and will presumably be paid somewhere north of £250k pw. So a total non-starter. 

Silva then (who’s meant to be replacing him at Leipzig).

Diomande, already been offered out at less than his release.

[Shearergol]

We're proper fucked next summer when Guehi goes to Liverpool. The pool of centre backs we can sign who can improve us goes from one to zero.

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, stozo said:

Who is going to Al Nassr and will presumably be paid somewhere north of £250k pw. So a total non-starter. 

 

I read an article yesterday saying he was hoping for a Premier League move.

 

He was on 30k a week at Leipzig. If we pay him around a 100k he's staying in Europe.

 

Saudi will still be there for these guys to make some extra money later down the line. 

 

A lot of them would rather continue in Europe while they are still young.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

We're proper fucked next summer when Guehi goes to Liverpool. The pool of centre backs we can sign who can improve us goes from one to zero.

Ngl, your transformation this summer has been a highlight 😂

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Yeah, I agree with many on here. Why we haven’t switched approach to finding a young player, only needs to be better than Krafth (at his unfavoured position) and develop them.

Same for RW. Can’t be hard to find players with more potential than Murphy. Develop them, developing players is meant to be the thing EH is best at.

 

This is what I think we should have done.

 

Get a major young talent to sit behind Schar and be brought along. Give Schar a one year extension.

 

This insistence on a game changer for the first team is so strange.

[Sean]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

You can add:

 

F) their clubs are willing to sell them

G) they have no other clubs who are courting their signature that might be more attractive to them than NUFC

H) want to come and live in North East England

I) want to join a club that's only in it's 3rd year of trying to re-establish itself after 14 years of malaise

 

You're right. We can never get any better players with all those constraints. Let's sign nobody ever.

[Doctor Zaius]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Yeah and spending it right can't just mean only having one £70m target centre back and all else is a waste of time. I just can't accept that, there's too much countering it for it to be a point that makes any sense. 

 

 

 

 

If we had 70m to spend, you cant just say we have one target and one target only. Spend it right of course, but there needs to be other options instead of one player who is clearly out of reach. 

 

Unless of course, they've all made a decision whereby they're happy with the squad and Guehi was the only player that'd improve it, but its clear as day we're weak in several areas. 

 

Palace have played the club for absolute fools tbh

[Sean]

4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

We're proper fucked next summer when Guehi goes to Liverpool. The pool of centre backs we can sign who can improve us goes from one to zero.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by Sean

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I read an article yesterday saying he was hoping for a Premier League move.

 

He was on 30k a week at Leipzig. If we pay him around a 100k he's staying in Europe.

 

Saudi will still be there for these guys to make some extra money later down the line. 

 

A lot of them would rather continue in Europe while they are still young.

 

We should have been in there far earlier instead of hanging everything on Guehi. Don't tell me Al Nassr have a better recruiting dept than we do.

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Yeah and spending it right can't just mean only having one £70m target centre back and all else is a waste of time. I just can't accept that, there's too much countering it for it to be a point that makes any sense. 

 

I can't agree that the point doesn't make sense. I don't necessarily agree with it but there's definitely logic to it. 

 

We're not at the point of being totally desperate for a CB, as useful as it would be right now. If we're taking our chances on getting the perfect person in the next transfer window rather than getting the 'wrong' one in now, I can live with that choice. 

[Doctor Zaius]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

You can add:

 

F) their clubs are willing to sell them

G) they have no other clubs who are courting their signature that might be more attractive to them than NUFC

H) want to come and live in North East England

I) want to join a club that's only in it's 3rd year of trying to re-establish itself after 14 years of malaise

 

 

So now we're into the 'Guehi is the only player in the entire world we could have signed and made a positive impact' territory.

[Bimpy474]

1 minute ago, Lotus said:

Yeah, I agree with many on here. Why we haven’t switched approach to finding a young player, only needs to be better than Krafth (at his unfavoured position) and develop them.

Same for RW. Can’t be hard to find players with more potential than Murphy. Develop them, developing players is meant to be the thing EH is best at.

 

For the RW we did, but unfortunately the PSR rules killed that for now with us having to sell Minteh.

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I read an article yesterday saying he was hoping for a Premier League move.

 

He was on 30k a week at Leipzig. If we pay him around a 100k he's staying in Europe.

 

Saudi will still be there for these guys to make some extra money later down the line. 

 

A lot of them would rather continue in Europe while they are still young.

 

Pure speculation

 

Maybe he went to Saudi because he's obsessed with learning how to drive dune buggies

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Sean]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

I can't agree that the point doesn't make sense. I don't necessarily agree but there's definitely logic to it. 

 

We're not at the point of being totally desperate for a CB, as useful as it would be right now. If we're taking our chances on getting the perfect person in the next transfer window rather than getting the 'wrong' one in now, I can live with that choice. 

I agree with this, as long as everybody at the club is on board and singing from the same hymn sheet. I'm not convinced they are though, only time will tell on that one.

[Lotus]

1 minute ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

For the RW we did, but unfortunately the PSR rules killed that for now with us having to sell Minteh.

? Wasn’t the Minteh sale to satisfy last years accounts? Would still leave us with £££ for this season.

[Beren]

10 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I rate Guehi but the idea that our scouts couldn’t find anyone in the world of similar quality and profile is bizarre. If they couldn’t find suitable alternatives then they sacking off. This guy isn’t Nesta ffs.

 

I think it's plausibly tenable tbh.

 

If they don't want to sign just another body, they want to get a purple (apologies Froggy) - there aren't unlimited CB options available who are a) for sale, and are b) proven in the league.

 

Once you add in his age, growth potential and nationality (rightly or wrongly ), his value is likely to hold or increase too.

 

I'm no PSR expert, but I can understand why spending near to the value reported on Guehi isn't the same pot of money available for a GK or a RW upgrade, for example. Given what happened with Minteh and Anderson, it's creating a future liability - so unless you had confidence what that player brought to the team would translate to on field success, you wouldn't create it speculatively on a signing like, for example, Diaby for Villa last summer.

 

I'm not saying this is what happened, and I'm not ITK on this, but I can see it.

[stozo]

3 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Silva then (who’s meant to be replacing him at Leipzig).

Diomande, already been offered out at less than his release.

I actually like Silva and would quite like that move for the long-term. BUT both the examples you have given here are players from a non-elite league. Portugal isn't quite the Netherlands in terms of its flop record but you do see a higher level of Portugal > Elite League flops than Elite > Elite. Also, Anotnio Silva is 20 which is extremely young for someone to go from a non-elite league to being better than Schar and/or Botman. A stepping stone move (which is what his move to RB Leipzig is) makes a lot of sense for him rather than jumping to somewhere elite straight away (which is what we'd need him to be.

[Shearergol]

7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Ngl, your transformation this summer has been a highlight 😂

 

I'm being fairly tongue in cheek you know

 

I'll be fine once the window shuts. FFP/PSR and our weird strategy in the transfer market has put a fairly negative slant on things for me, but I can stop worrying about that for another year tomorrow and start enjoying football again (until VAR kicks in).

[bobbydazzla]

7 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

So now we're into the 'Guehi is the only player in the entire world we could have signed and made a positive impact' territory.

 

Not at all. That's 100% wasn't my point

 

I'm just trying to make people actually stop and think about how many variables have to align to make a transfer actually happen

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[stozo]

8 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I read an article yesterday saying he was hoping for a Premier League move.

 

He was on 30k a week at Leipzig. If we pay him around a 100k he's staying in Europe.

 

Saudi will still be there for these guys to make some extra money later down the line. 

 

A lot of them would rather continue in Europe while they are still young.

I think you are probably overestimating our pull here. Osimhen has just gone to Saudi in exactly the scenario you've outlined - Chelsea made him a very good offer, he could have stayed in Europe but at the end of the day the money he has been offered in Saudi is so great he's gone there. 

[Shearergol]

3 minutes ago, stozo said:

I actually like Silva and would quite like that move for the long-term. BUT both the examples you have given here are players from a non-elite league. Portugal isn't quite the Netherlands in terms of its flop record but you do see a higher level of Portugal > Elite League flops than Elite > Elite. Also, Anotnio Silva is 20 which is extremely young for someone to go from a non-elite league to being better than Schar and/or Botman. A stepping stone move (which is what his move to RB Leipzig is) makes a lot of sense for him rather than jumping to somewhere elite straight away (which is what we'd need him to be.

 

We don't need a 20 year old CB to be better than Schar and Botman. We need them to be better than Krafth, with the potential to become as good as Schar.

[Hanshithispantz]

We need to strengthen CB, GK & RW with top quality. With atleast £70m to spend it's madness to think we couldn't have landed a 'purple' for at least one of them. Trafford might turn out good but an elite keeper would transform us just as much as a CB.

 

Unless we strike a deal for Guehi today we've fucked up. I don't want people to be getting sacked or out but it's hard to be positive about the window.

 

I still think we can push for top 4 rven with our current squad, but it would be a lot simpler with another addition.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by Hanshithispantz

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

So now we're into the 'Guehi is the only player in the entire world we could have signed and made a positive impact' territory.

 

It's batshit crazy for a club with our structure, which has been put in place precisely to avoid this sort of nonsense you would have thought.

[Doctor Zaius]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

Not at all. That's 100% wasn't my point

 

I'm just trying to make people actually stop and think about how many variables have to align to make a transfer actually happen

 

 

 

Which why it never made sense to put all of our eggs in one basket for the entirety of the window. 

[mondonewc]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Honestly, I just can't accept that tbh. I'm sure Guehi represents a big step forward for the starting XI, but by not doing anything we're not only resigning ourselves to not making any step forward at all, but jeopardising the steps forward we've already made. 

 

Even at a basic level it doesn't just seem stubborn, but also a huge 'can't see the wood for the trees' situation in about 3 different ways. I can't believe he would be this daft. 

I wouldn't go too deep on it mate, we know Howe doesn't share a lot with the media, just saying an alternative thought that has some credibility to me. 

 

I think basically everyone's in agreement that overall our approach and handling of the situation has been poor, personally I'm willing to accept what's happened this time around as I think everyone involved wants the best for the club, and unlike some other people, I'm willing to allow people to make mistakes and fuck up sometimes, it happens. 

I think there's a massively unrealistic expectation on how quick deals should be done, what do people expect, if we offer someone £55 million for a player, we can't just offer £60 million 5 minutes later, it's likely they thought Parish was posturing and would cave at some point, seems they've badly misread that situation, and whilst they clearly will understand the intricacies of making a deal of this kind infinitely more than I do, personally I would've thought at some point you should tell the other club if we don't come to an agreement by x date we'll have to pull out and move on. God knows why we didn't see fit to do that, but as I say, I trust the intentions of everyone involved is genuine so they have a pass from me this time, rinse repeat the same situation next Summer and we should probably start worrying.