timeEd32 Posted Wednesday at 15:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:03 The two most stable revenue sources are commercial and matchday. For English clubs the only significant differences in broadcast revenue are UEFA money and the merit portion (approx. £3m per league place). Transfer profits are obviously very lumpy. Matchday is impacted by extra games (Europe and/or cup runs), but there is a solid baseline for each club based on capacity and ticket prices. Here's where we stand with the latest numbers... And the main reason I did this was to be able to see whether we're gaining ground or not. There's been a lot of debate about growth rates and when we might catch up, but percentage gains don't buy players. Ultimately, it all comes down to cash. Honestly I could be positive or negative about this chart (and I could guess which forum members might fall on either side ), but it does show how we are continually running uphill. Let's end on a happier note: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Wednesday at 15:05 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:05 1 minute ago, timeEd32 said: The two most stable revenue sources are commercial and matchday. For English clubs the only significant differences in broadcast revenue are UEFA money and the merit portion (approx. £3m per league place). Transfer profits are obviously very lumpy. Matchday is impacted by extra games (Europe and/or cup runs), but there is a solid baseline for each club based on capacity and ticket prices. Here's where we stand with the latest numbers... And the main reason I did this was to be able to see whether we're gaining ground or not. There's been a lot of debate about growth rates and when we might catch up, but percentage gains don't buy players. Ultimately, it all comes down to cash. Honestly I could be positive or negative about this chart (and I could guess which forum members might fall on either side ), but it does show how we are continually running uphill. Let's end on a happier note: Awesome work putting this together the visualisation are super helpful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted Wednesday at 15:13 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:13 Thanks timeEd32, very insightful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted Wednesday at 15:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:26 Disappointing colour coding on the bar charts to be honest! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted Wednesday at 15:34 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:34 This PSR/FFP shit makes me lose interest in football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted Wednesday at 15:36 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:36 8 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: Disappointing colour coding on the bar charts to be honest! Ha, I'm color blind so I just let Google handle it. I was annoyed they didn't keep the colors going from the line graphs, but couldn't be bothered to fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted Wednesday at 15:42 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:42 33 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: The two most stable revenue sources are commercial and matchday. For English clubs the only significant differences in broadcast revenue are UEFA money and the merit portion (approx. £3m per league place). Transfer profits are obviously very lumpy. Matchday is impacted by extra games (Europe and/or cup runs), but there is a solid baseline for each club based on capacity and ticket prices. Here's where we stand with the latest numbers... And the main reason I did this was to be able to see whether we're gaining ground or not. There's been a lot of debate about growth rates and when we might catch up, but percentage gains don't buy players. Ultimately, it all comes down to cash. Honestly I could be positive or negative about this chart (and I could guess which forum members might fall on either side ), but it does show how we are continually running uphill. Let's end on a happier note: Firstly, amazing job putting all of that together. Secondly, I think there are both positives and negatives to take. Obviously there's some impressive gains, albeit from a very low starting point. On the other hand that £180m or so gap between ourselves and Chelsea doesn't look like shrinking any time soon, especially as a number of high-value deals have already been done (Adidas, Sela). It just goes to show how vital it is that we keep challenging for Champions League football, which isn't going to be easy when the teams above us can keep spending more than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted Wednesday at 18:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:00 Was hoping we would be closing the gap, but the breakaway clubs seem to be continuing to gain just as fast. No idea how we close the gap to be honest. Getting in the CL regularly likely needs another £50-100m or so in income, but we likely need regular CL qualification to achieve that How are we doing relative to the rest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 08:02 Share Posted Thursday at 08:02 At least Eales is putting out positive noises. If we take what he says at face value, just means we'll have to keep building steadily and put our CL aspirations back a couple of years. He's said all the right things about keeping our best players (although if we get a big offer we would still sell I would imagine) and he's said the owners are in it for the long term, with Howe as manager. Qualifying for Europe in some form is about as high as we can realistically aim for right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted Thursday at 08:12 Share Posted Thursday at 08:12 https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6176973/2025/03/06/newcastle-accounts-analysis/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted Thursday at 09:12 Share Posted Thursday at 09:12 Villa close to over taking us if they go far in CL this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Thursday at 09:16 Share Posted Thursday at 09:16 2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Villa close to over taking us if they go far in CL this season? Sure but for them it's only sustainable whilst they are in the champions league. They don't seem to lean in to related party deals so much so the commercial revenue for them will be painfully slow. If I was a sponsor why would I ever sponsor Aston villa? Makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted Thursday at 09:19 Share Posted Thursday at 09:19 With respect there is a reason they have Betano as the shirt sponsor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted Thursday at 09:41 Share Posted Thursday at 09:41 Aye plus they're 10th in the League. They don't win the FA Cup and or the Champions League and you'd imagine the fans will be calling for Emery's head. Given how ruthless the Villa owners are, I can see them listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 09:50 Share Posted Thursday at 09:50 37 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Villa close to over taking us if they go far in CL this season? I think they would have been fucked if it wasn't for our injuries. That gives them a better chance of overhauling us, if they don't qualify some of their loan signings are not exactly prudent from a PSR perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Thursday at 10:29 Share Posted Thursday at 10:29 45 minutes ago, TBG said: Aye plus they're 10th in the League. They don't win the FA Cup and or the Champions League and you'd imagine the fans will be calling for Emery's head. Given how ruthless the Villa owners are, I can see them listening. This is wishful thinking on your end. A CL QF and a 10th place finish is a succesful season imo. Not to mention they've got great chances of getting to the FA Cup Final, the strongest team left are very beatable and could go even further in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted Thursday at 10:48 Share Posted Thursday at 10:48 18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This is wishful thinking on your end. A CL QF and a 10th place finish is a succesful season imo. Not to mention they've got great chances of getting to the FA Cup Final, the strongest team left are very beatable and could go even further in the CL. Yep - we made £30m from six CL matches - they are going to play at least double! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Thursday at 11:44 Share Posted Thursday at 11:44 52 minutes ago, Paully said: Yep - we made £30m from six CL matches - they are going to play at least double! A FA Cup semi final, CL QF + genuinely challenging for top 4/5 would have Emery challenging for manager of the season. They have the 7/8th highest wage bill and squad cost. 9th/10th and deep CL and FA Cup runs is about fair. Let alone getting to finals or winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Thursday at 11:52 Share Posted Thursday at 11:52 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: This is wishful thinking on your end. A CL QF and a 10th place finish is a succesful season imo. Not to mention they've got great chances of getting to the FA Cup Final, the strongest team left are very beatable and could go even further in the CL. TBG strikes again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted Friday at 00:34 Share Posted Friday at 00:34 14 hours ago, TBG said: Aye plus they're 10th in the League. They don't win the FA Cup and or the Champions League and you'd imagine the fans will be calling for Emery's head. Given how ruthless the Villa owners are, I can see them listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted Friday at 14:58 Share Posted Friday at 14:58 I'm just surprised with our increased revenue, the septic six haven't had the Premier League all over us trying to dispute the amount as unfair on them. Fucking hate these rules and those shitty six clubs, open financial cheating just accepted, ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Friday at 21:49 Share Posted Friday at 21:49 6 hours ago, Bimpy474 said: I'm just surprised with our increased revenue, the septic six haven't had the Premier League all over us trying to dispute the amount as unfair on them. Fucking hate these rules and those shitty six clubs, open financial cheating just accepted, ridiculous. Why would they worry? They’re further ahead of us financially than they were before the takeover. Job done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted Friday at 22:14 Share Posted Friday at 22:14 24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Why would they worry? They’re further ahead of us financially than they were before the takeover. Job done. To stamp out any chance at all ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Friday at 22:27 Share Posted Friday at 22:27 11 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: To stamp out any chance at all ? Yeah, that’s fair enough. But as things stand I don’t think they’ll be overly concerned. Proof of the rules really changing will be them all squealing like stuck pigs again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Why would they worry? They’re further ahead of us financially than they were before the takeover. Job done. Because they understand the concept of growth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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