Anthony Elanga: NUFC have bid of £45m rejected (Ornstein)

[toon25]

They want 60 mil according to their fans

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, toon25 said:

They want 60 mil according to their fans

Well that’s useless information. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I get what you’re saying, I just don’t see how I can judge if 45m is OK but 55 is overpaying. And I also don’t know how that spending will affect other signings because I don’t know the plan. 
 

I guess we lack trust in the club because of the previous PSR run-in, but for me they can be trusted not to make that mistake again. 

Fair enough, and obviously a lot of what we are doing is just discussing things, everyone has an idea and an opinion of what is good value versus poor value. 

 

I think for me personally, when it comes to Elanga I have a hard time looking past the fact they paid 15m for him 2 years ago, why didn't we go then? Was it a scouting issue? Budget issue? Etc 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, toon25 said:

They want 60 mil according to their fans

Makes sense Brennan Johnson numbers. 

[Ikon]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

We can't buy Rodrygo. I'm sure we would like to have bought Cherki as well for £35m but he's gone to City who will probably double the wages he would get here. Not that we would pay £70m for Elanga or Semanyo anyway. 

Didn’t think it needed to be written, that we can’t buy Rodrygo.  

[Lotus]

Is Guler not available for similar or less money?
 

Weren't we meant to be interested in him before he went to RM?

[Ginola14]

a few people have mentioned he's two-footed which I think is a very useful and quite rare attribute 

 

(remember how infuriating Miggy would be always cutting in) 

 

I know YouTube can be deceiving but some of his finishing with both feet is really impressive 

 

he could probably also fill in the the left if needed 

 

[Dr Venkman]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Well that’s useless information. 

There was a vote in Forest Stack, actually.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

People clump technical in "Can he thread a pass through the lines, jink his way past players".

 

When it's more can they control the ball in tight spaces, cross, shoot for me and be competent off both feet. His crossing is loads better, he's good with both feet. The tight spaces bit I'm unsure of as it's never needed at Forest. But if he was receiving ball in positions that Gordon finds on the left, on the right, I'd back him to make the most of it. Not like he's a knock and run merchant, where his touches are heavy and his pace makes up for it. It's refining the end product that sees him go from 15 G/A player to 25 G/A, which you want from your main wide man.

Yeah this is what I mean. I think Elanga fits into a certain stereotype at first glance, but I’m assuming we see more attributes than just running fast. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I don’t think Elanga is bad, and I think he’d do well. But for the money I think he’s limited and I prefer a player that helps us improve in our weaker areas such as ball retention, creativity, controlling games better and so on. A player that offers us something slightly different than pace alone and crossing. (To some extent)

 

He doesn't necessarily need to be that player. Howe will undoubtedly know that the low block is something we need to be better against. It just might not even be that he wants an unlocker player in the mould that he wanted with Maddison and Szoboslai, it could be that he wants us to do something that sidesteps it, or that he's seen a trend in the way football is going that means we can get around it without needing that player, or it might just be Joao Pedro, there are loads of possibilities. 

[Sibierski]

 

Just watched that and I'm all set on him now  

 

Can see straight away how he would elevate us. The first time crossing on his right foot, on the money which Wood scores. That replaces Murphy to Isak comb. Mixed in with you don't only have to worry about that, but he can nonchalantly come in on his left foot and behind it quickly around the keeper into the goal (or pass to Isak). Added bonuses, when through one on one, he has the finishing ability more of Barnes and final bit, set pieces. Whipped in with pace, which we have no-one who can really do it well for us. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sibierski

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Didn’t think it needed to be written, that we can’t buy Rodrygo.  

 

That's my point. I keep hearing we should move on to other options, and obviously at some point we do. But who are the better/cheaper options?

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

I know it's a cliche and I'm sure some eyes will roll, but if Elanga had never played in the Premier League and just put in those last two seasons in La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, or Bundesliga I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be seen as a much bigger potential signing. Despite the quality, or physicality being below the PL, a player tearing it up abroad still holds  that hype and glamour about it that the PL doesn't. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[KaKa]

11 minutes ago, McCormick said:

@IkonHe’s as fast as Gordon with better work rate and two footed. Better at crossing too? I love Gordon but there’s an argument to be had that they’re a similar level of player.

 

 

 

 

If you look back at the early conversations around Gordon when we were linked, it was all very similar. Regarding him just being a pace merchant etc.

 

At Everton he hadn't achieved anywhere near what Elanga has over the past couple of seasons.

 

We still paid £40 million for him, and we were really only able to get him for that in January, after he had that run in with the fans there and it was all kicking off. 

 

The summer before Chelsea were interested, and were quoted £60 million.

 

Gordon today looks a much better player in the Newcastle team and setup, and wouldn't go for less than £80 million?

 

I imagine it would all end up being a similar sort of trajectory with Elanga, if he comes into the Newcastle team, and so you aren't wrong in what you're saying at all.

[McCormick]

@IkonIf you’re saying we need a prime David Silva type but with Gordon’s pace for the right wing spot, I agree  but that player either doesn’t exist or wouldn’t come to us. He has limitations, sure but that’s like every player. The point is Howe seemingly really wants him for the way he wants to play and that’s more than enough for me.

[Roids]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I try and stay out of this to be honest as people get so riled up about it.

 

He looked promising under Rangnick, who was carrying on the counter-attacking style from Ole. There was a point where he was seen as valuable and was going to an important player in the future. The following season under Ten Hag though he was absolutely awful, like beyond bad. We knew he was going to be sold that summer, and when we were talking about realistic values, we thought he was worth about £5m. We were absolutely buzzing to get £15m for him.

 

He has elite pace, and can be deadly on counter attacks, but he's really not great otherwise. You're not a counter-attacking side, so I can't believe the fees being quoted for him to be honest. Howe obviously sees his physical qualities and believes he can mould him into a great player, and who am I to argue with Eddie Howe? He always had a good attitude as well and works very hard which are rare qualities these days.

 

Bottom line though is that you're one of the teams we'll be looking to compete with this year, and if your biggest signing is going to be Elanga then I wouldn't be very worried at all about you putting distance between us and I reckon we'll close the gap, as Cunha and Mbeumo are far better players IMO. We'd be quite happy for you to sign him for a fortune so we can get the money from the sell-on as well. 

 

I'm sure this will be quoted in 6 months when we're shit again and you're flying with Elanga sitting on 10 goals, but that's my genuine thoughts. 

 

 

 

I said this near verbatim yesterday and folks got irate 

The people yearn for a transfer, no matter how mediocre

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Roids

[Roids]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I know it's a cliche and I'm sure some eyes will roll, but if Elanga had never played in the Premier League and just put in those last two seasons in La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, or Bundesliga I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be seen as a much bigger potential signing. Despite the quality, or physicality being below the PL, a player tearing it up abroad still holds  that hype and glamour about it that the PL doesn't. 

 

 

 

McTominay just won player of the season in Italy despite his many limitations on show in the Prem
Anthony went to Betis and looked 'renewed'
Gyokeres has scored a billion goals in Portugal and is still readily available

Sancho looked great at Dortmund but extremely regular in Prem

I say all that to say killing it in a foreign league means very little, demonstrating transferable attributes (i.e. technical ability) should be the main consideration

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Roids

[GeordieDazzler]

I mean Elanga is younger than both and has played for a side that finished above both Brentford and Wolves. 

[SUPERTOON]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I know it's a cliche and I'm sure some eyes will roll, but if Elanga had never played in the Premier League and just put in those last two seasons in La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, or Bundesliga I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be seen as a much bigger potential signing. Despite the quality, or physicality being below the PL, a player tearing it up abroad still holds  that hype and glamour about it that the PL doesn't. 

 

 

 

Agree to some degree, but when you get to watch them week in week out over here, you can already see limitations/negatives. With a signing from abroad most haven't. 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Roids said:

McTominay just won player of the season in Italy despite his many limitations on show in the Prem
Anthony went to Betis and looked 'renewed'
Gyokeres has scored a billion goals in Portugal and is still readily available

Sancho looked great at Dortmund but extremely regular in Prem

I say all that to say killing it in a foreign league means very little, demonstrating transferable attributes (i.e. technical ability) should be the main consideration

 

 

 

Exactly. The player I think most matches up with Elanga on this one is Diaby. When we were linked with him you'd have thought we were signing an upcoming superstar. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Agree to some degree, but when you get to watch them week in week out over here, you can already see limitations/negatives. With a signing from abroad most haven't. 

 

Could say the limitations and negatives just aren't as exposed I guess. Sancho was basically Neymar in the Bundesliga. He comes back here and nigh on every defender can deal with him comfortably. 

[HayDen Traces]

35 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Is Guler not available for similar or less money?
 

Weren't we meant to be interested in him before he went to RM?

No he's not available

[KaKa]

Newcastle's setup and style of play is more akin to Ragnick's high intensity approach. Ragnick rated Elanga highly, and he did well for him.

 

As much as there are calls for more control etc, I don't think Howe is looking at things the same way.

 

Looks to me like he's trying to get the team to be even better at what they already do. 

 

Elanga would help achieve this.

[SteV]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

Newcastle's setup and style of play is more akin to Ragnick's high intensity approach. Ragnick rated Elanga highly, and he did well for him.

 

As much as there are calls for more control etc, I don't think Howe is looking at things the same way.

 

Looks to me like he's trying to get the team to be even better at what they already do. 

 

Elanga would help achieve this.

Plan B is do Plan A better.

[sushimonster85]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Newcastle's setup and style of play is more akin to Ragnick's high intensity approach. Ragnick rated Elanga highly, and he did well for him.

 

As much as there are calls for more control etc, I don't think Howe is looking at things the same way.

 

Looks to me like he's trying to get the team to be even better at what they already do. 

 

Elanga would help achieve this.

 

George Lucas two/only notes he would apparently give whilst directing were 'faster, more intense'. Pretty sure Eddie could knock out a decent Star wars film. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by sushimonster85