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1 minute ago, Roids said:

this is a bold faced lie and illustrates how the passion merchant bs may deceive some fans

the bright Gordon has contributed a grand total of zero prem goals or assists in the calendar year of 2025


let's have some standards please

 

Doesn't tell the whole story though does it? He put one on a plate for Bruno at the weekend but he headed it over the bar from 6 yards. 

 

He's obviously not been at his best for a while but in order for him to get assists it relies on the other player being able to finish.

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Just now, STM said:

 

Welcome to football. I'll take you through how it works.

 

New players, at new clubs, with new systems and new teammates, take time to adjust to their surroundings. If you think we bought Elanga as a finished product, then you haven't been paying attention.

 

Hes not been as good as any of us thought he would be... but that doesn't determine his future.

He's as good as I thought he'd be 

you guys don't watch football and assume this is football manager

mind you, this is a forum where I was lambasted for the audacity of championing Tonali over Longstaff so the difference in positions is somewhat understanding

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2 minutes ago, Roids said:

this is a bold faced lie and illustrates how the passion merchant bs may deceive some fans

the bright Gordon has contributed a grand total of zero prem goals or assists in the calendar year of 2025


let's have some standards please

He thread Murphy through against Fulham and that's just one example. 

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Just now, Fak said:

 

Doesn't tell the whole story though does it? He put one on a plate for Bruno at the weekend but he headed it over the bar from 6 yards. 

 

He's obviously not been at his best for a while but in order for him to get assists it relies on the other player being able to finish.

Murphy and Barnes have had no issues during that period with considerably less minutes, but sure, I'm only telling half the story. 

Playing next to Isak and now Woltermade has been to his detriment

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1 minute ago, Roids said:

He's as good as I thought he'd be 

you guys don't watch football and assume this is football manager

mind you, this is a forum where I was lambasted for the audacity of championing Tonali over Longstaff so the difference in positions is somewhat understanding

 

"I knew better"

 

"You guys are all idiots"

 

"This forum which i have contempt for but I keep returning too, doesn't know as much as me".

 

You are valuable contributor and a sterling individual. :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Roids said:

Murphy and Barnes have had no issues during that period with considerably less minutes, but sure, I'm only telling half the story. 

Playing next to Isak and now Woltermade has been to his detriment

 

I mean I did literally just say Gordon hasn't been at his best for a while.

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6 minutes ago, Roids said:

He's as good as I thought he'd be 

you guys don't watch football and assume this is football manager

mind you, this is a forum where I was lambasted for the audacity of championing Tonali over Longstaff so the difference in positions is somewhat understanding


We’ve told you to lay off the roids before. 

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I also think we need to take a long, hard look at fans’ relationship with wingers at this club. If they don’t lose the ball and pass it backwards: “Ahh, too safe, man! Take him on!” But if they try something daring and it doesn’t come off: “Argh, ffs, this lad’s pony!”


Honestly, part of being a winger is that you’re always going to be a little inconsistent; it’s the nature of the role. You’re taking risks, trying things others won’t, and that means sometimes it won’t work. Yet somehow, the fans here still seem to expect perfection every single week.


When was last time we had a winger who didn’t get trashed every other week by the fans? Ben Arfa?

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8 minutes ago, STM said:

 

"I knew better"

 

"You guys are all idiots"

 

"This forum which i have contempt for but I keep returning too, doesn't know as much as me".

 

You are valuable contributor and a sterling individual. :lol:

It was cool to peeps to berate me all pre season when I said guys like DCL, Elanga, Pedro, Jackson etc weren't good enough. I'm keeping the same energy
 

I don't think you guys are idiots as I don't know any of you.

I do think some of you guys have a rudimentary understanding of football and what makes a player good and impactful

 

 

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1 minute ago, McCormick said:

I also think we need to take a long, hard look at fans’ relationship with wingers at this club. If they don’t lose the ball and pass it backwards: “Ahh, too safe, man! Take him on!” But if they try something daring and it doesn’t come off: “Argh, ffs, this lad’s pony!”


Honestly, part of being a winger is that you’re always going to be a little inconsistent; it’s the nature of the role. You’re taking risks, trying things others won’t, and that means sometimes it won’t work. Yet somehow, the fans here still seem to expect perfection every single week.


When was last time we had a winger who didn’t get trashed every other week by the fans? Ben Arfa?

St Maximan was better than all our current crop while playing with basura and didn't get half this grace

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Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You’ve grouped some wildly different players together there. 

I grouped players we were heavily linked all preseason which I argued weren't fit for purpose but was told I was wrong and should 'lay off roids' 

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18 minutes ago, Roids said:

He's as good as I thought he'd be 

you guys don't watch football and assume this is football manager

mind you, this is a forum where I was lambasted for the audacity of championing Tonali over Longstaff so the difference in positions is somewhat understanding

 

What would you say to my Forest supporting mate who was absolutely crystal clear in his view that Elanga was outstanding for them last season and he was devasted that they were losing him ?

 

Doesn't know what he's talking about ?

 

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8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

What would you say to my Forest supporting mate who was absolutely crystal clear in his view that Elanga was outstanding for them last season and he was devasted that they were losing him ?

 

Doesn't know what he's talking about ?

 

i'd say what I said preseason when we were linked with him

Elanga performed in a system that fully complimented his attributes.

Defensive, counter attacking side that would offer him loads of space to stretch in legs in transition. 

In a side where he'd have to regularly play against low blocks his limitations come to light.

This isn't too dissimilar to Pedro Neto's performances and output from his Wolves' days to Chelsea for example.

That archetype of player have limitations compared to guys like Saka, Palmer, Semenyo, Kudus, Mbuemo etc who can actually play under most circumstances due to their greater technical prowess

 

 

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Even when a player is out of form and low on confidence - if they keep showing for the ball, making the right runs, not shying away and putting in a right shift then it is hard to overly criticise.

 

He's clearly getting to grips with a different style of play and a new team but he's not hiding, keeps making runs, tracks back relatively well and isn't sulking about things. 

 

Give the lad time. We all know there is a player there who can be a real asset. No need to pillory him before he's even started ten games here.

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20 minutes ago, Roids said:

i'd say what I said preseason when we were linked with him

Elanga performed in a system that fully complimented his attributes.

Defensive, counter attacking side that would offer him loads of space to stretch in legs in transition. 

In a side where he'd have to regularly play against low blocks his limitations come to light.

This isn't too dissimilar to Pedro Neto's performances and output from his Wolves' days to Chelsea for example.

That archetype of player have limitations compared to guys like Saka, Palmer, Semenyo, Kudus, Mbuemo etc who can actually play under most circumstances due to their greater technical prowess

 

 

 

 

You think Howe and the rest of the management team won't have known all of that ? And if reports are to be believed, we were making moves for Elanga in previous windows, so he was a long term target not a spur of the moment purchase.

 

And Elanga is currently transitioning into our way of playing, under the guidance of Howe. That's taking time, as it will with some players.

 

In a world where we're hamstrung by PSR we're not going to take many gambles on players who cost a lot of money. 

 

I'm assuming you're not working in elite level football, but you seem to have the view that you have better insight into players and tactics than the NUFC scouting staff and management team do.

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

You think Howe and the rest of the management team won't have known all of that ? And if reports are to be believed, we were making moves for Elanga in previous windows, so he was a long term target not a spur of the moment purchase.

 

And Elanga is currently transitioning into our way of playing, under the guidance of Howe.

 

In a world where we're hamstrung by PSR we're not going to take many gambles on players who cost a lot of money. 

 

Assuming you're not working in elite level football, are you of the view that you have better insight into players and tactics than the NUFC scouting staff and management team do ? 

 

 

 

non sequitir

I have my views as do the scouts, they do not have to align.

Their signings in totality have been great over the last 3 years, loads of hits.

I do know the club were in for Mbuemo and both Pedro & Ektike (to play alongside Isak) which suggest they view technical prowess as important

I have no grievances with Elanga, he's performing as expected. I would be estactic were he to outperform my expectations (as well as his LW counterpart)

 

 

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I much prefer when Elanga moves inside with purpose, rather than direct knock and run down the line.

 

The chance for Barnes first half was that, where his ludicrous acceleration over 2-5 yards means opposition can’t track him when he’s coming inside for quick one twos to move the ball. Would like to see his game then develop where he’s then arching his run into the box so if it goes left and played quickly first time in, he’s got a steal on the defence to get the ball first / or it goes to Bruno who plays that delicate ball over which Miggy profited from so much in his purple patch.

 

I would expect that’s what Howe will be trying to coach into him more to improve his game, and the knock and run hit byline is the 2nd option he chooses. At the moment, it seems the default which may be due to lack of confidence / players not on same wave length fully.

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2 minutes ago, Roids said:

non sequitir

I have my views as do the scouts, they do not have to align

I do know the club were in for Mbuemo and both Pedro & Ektike (to play alongside Isak) which suggest they view technical prowess as important

I have no grievances with Elanga, he's performing as expected. I would be estactic were he to outperform my expectations (as well as his LW counterpart)

 

 

 

 

I found it helped me to read that in a Stephen Hawking voice 

 

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