Newcastle United 1-4 Bournemouth (18/01/25)

[Andy84]

I don’t get the “they weren’t fatigued and looked fresh and we looked fucked” argument to try and explain the performance.  As if that is somehow unacceptable and shouldn’t be the case.  A world can exist where we are legitimately fatigued and they aren’t despite the amount of games / injuries. 

 

It’s not like the two teams are exactly aligned in terms of games or personal, or takes into account the million different variables at play.  I thought they would gas but fair fucks they were excellent and we were poor.  
 

I just think they hit a moment in their season where things came together perfectly. Couple that with us being under par you get that result.  All to play for, Southampton next week and a semi final on the horizon. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Andy84

[Benwell Lad]

I think the main point I take out of yesterday, and in fairness it's been the case since his Rayo Vallecano days, is that Iraola is going to coach one of the very top teams eventually.

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

Said this across a few threads now. I know it would bring it’s own problems and we could have been surrendering possession at times. But I feel it might have been better than slowly passing along the back until we lose it to their press. 
 

Not his game at all. But might have got Isak a bit more involved. We have players who are good on second balls and are quick. Joelinton is a good target against midfielders and wide. We have used him successfully in the past doing this. 
 

Dubravka has been great at the medium range sort of stuff. But it never seemed like something we looked to use yesterday. 

[Mikky]

16 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said:

I think the main point I take out of yesterday, and in fairness it's been the case since his Rayo Vallecano days, is that Iraola is going to coach one of the very top teams eventually.

I’d be astonished if Spurs don’t go for him in the summer

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Without wishing to go overboard with praise re the visitors - cos they've had plenty - it was pretty amazing to see Brooks not only playing, given what he's been through, but playing brilliantly. Can remember when he first burst onto the scene he looked a serious talent with a glass ceiling, and I thought he looked close to that player again yesterday. Remarkable recovery. 

 

Yeah he was excellent, brushed past Hall with ease in the first few minutes which set the tone for the game

 

Thought Christie was good for them too along with a number of others.

 

Was disappointed we didn't ever challenge their makeshift right back Cook at all

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, Mikky said:

I’d be astonished if Spurs don’t go for him in the summer

 

Yeah feels the closest thing to Pochettino they'll get

[Pancrate1892]

48 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

I don’t get the “they weren’t fatigued and looked fresh and we looked fucked” argument to try and explain the performance.  As if that is somehow unacceptable and shouldn’t be the case.  A world can exist where we are legitimately fatigued and they aren’t despite the amount of games / injuries. 

 

It’s not like the two teams are exactly aligned in terms of games or personal, or takes into account the million different variables at play.  I thought they would gas but fair fucks they were excellent and we were poor.  
 

I just think they hit a moment in their season where things came together perfectly. Couple that with us being under par you get that result.  All to play for, Southampton next week and a semi final on the horizon. 

 

 

 

 

 

To support that a trip to Chelsea away would certainly expend more energy than a game at home to wolves. 

 

Personally I think it was a tactical nightmare that exposed our greatest weakness, the ability to move the ball quickly when necessary. 

[CallumG6]

Won’t be long before Iraola gets a top job somewhere but feel like Spurs won’t be a good fit, they’re a basket case. 
 

Probably a dream of his to end up back at Bilbao at some point after his illustrious career there. 
 

Didn’t know Leeds approached him in February 2023 but were knocked back by Rayo Vallecano. 

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

To support that a trip to Chelsea away would certainly expend more energy than a game at home to wolves. 

 

Personally I think it was a tactical nightmare that exposed our greatest weakness, the ability to move the ball quickly when necessary. 

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

[80]

11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

Yeah, I don't know why the fatigue thing is so contentious. Either they were or they weren't, it doesn't really matter whether they 'should' have been tired. Then we can debate if the reasons for it are legitimate or not.

[Hanshithispantz]

I still don't undersrand how people don't think a 3.5 day rest is going to be better than a 2.5 day rest like 

 

https://sems-journal.ch/3439#:~:text=Between 2 and 3 days,et al.%2C 1982).

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As muscle glycogen repletion after a high-level football match requires between 2 and 3 days when a specific nutrition plan is provided, this fatigue can also affect the post-match fatigue.

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The results suggest that performance can be impaired for 72 hours and more. 

 

Like I said yesterday, even a later kickoff could have helped. It's not just fitness levels either, you have basically no room to prepare with such a small window between matches, both mentally and physically.

 

In hindsight we should probably have just parked the bus and tried to hit them on the break, they were so far ahead of us it was hard to watch.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Hanshithispantz

[Pancrate1892]

30 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

True

[Hanshithispantz]

And to add, it is massively impressive how fit Bournemouth still were like. I don't think most teams in the league would have had the energy and desire they showed. Just shit luck we landed against them instead of a team who might have given us bit more 'respect'.

[The Butcher]

Been away at this remote cottage in the middle of nowhere without any internet or owt all weekend. Broke all sorts of road laws to get back to civilisation.

 

Checks score -

[Erikse]

40 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I still don't undersrand how people don't think a 3.5 day rest is going to be better than a 2.5 day rest like 

 

https://sems-journal.ch/3439#:~:text=Between 2 and 3 days,et al.%2C 1982).

 

Like I said yesterday, even a later kickoff could have helped. It's not just fitness levels either, you have basically no room to prepare with such a small window between matches, both mentally and physically.

 

In hindsight we should probably have just parked the bus and tried to hit them on the break, they were so far ahead of us it was hard to watch.

 

 

 

 

I'll probably sound like Klopp now, but in all of january there are only 2 early kick offs, and that's our away game vs Spurs, and now this after playing on wednesday evening. Fortunately we won't have any in february..

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Erikse

[Erikse]

22 points in their last 10 for Bournemouth.. No losses, 6-4-0. Pretty crazy.

[Kid Icarus]

Most importantly, unless you think the players are faking it, it doesn't really matter whether they should or shouldn't be tired, they were and it was visible.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[mondonewc]

We just had an off day, pretty much everyone was off it, and we got punished. Win the next two hopefully before entering into a season defining period, exciting times!

[Lush Vlad]

Usually I’m fuming and totally irrational in the minutes/hours after a defeat. Felt reasonably measured yesterday and not too down. 
 

Yet today I feel more pissed off about it. Like I can’t quite get over how unprepared and bad we looked against how they setup. Howe may have some flaws. But I don’t think we have very often looked so bad tactically against what the opposition are trying to do. 
 

Hoping it is just a combination of quite a few things. Resulting in a perfect storm/nightmare for us on the day. 
 

Get back on track next week. I’m sure Howe will have had some choice words for them after and he will be working even more ridiculous hours than usual to fix it. 

[The Prophet]

It was so bad, with so many poor performances, I haven't read into it too much.

 

We aren't a top team yet, but we're getting closer all the time so these things will happen. When they do you need to hope the opponent isn't on it either, unfortunately Bournemouth were.

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Usually I’m fuming and totally irrational in the minutes/hours after a defeat. Felt reasonably measured yesterday and not too down. 
 

Yet today I feel more pissed off about it. Like I can’t quite get over how unprepared and bad we looked against how they setup. Howe may have some flaws. But I don’t think we have very often looked so bad tactically against what the opposition are trying to do. 
 

Hoping it is just a combination of quite a few things. Resulting in a perfect storm/nightmare for us on the day. 
 

Get back on track next week. I’m sure Howe will have had some choice words for them after and he will be working even more ridiculous hours than usual to fix it. 

I genuinely think it was a case of a step too far after the run we have been on. Personally think the players have looked tired since the second half against Spurs, to then put in a monumental effort away at Arsenal is testament to them. A performance like yesterday was always likely given we can’t rotate the squad with quality options. A week in between games over the next couple of weeks will see us bounce back imo.

[ponsaelius]

Just got to write it off as a bad day allround I think. If we don't follow it up with a win at Southampton I'd perhaps read more into it.

 

It feels like bad dropped points because it's Bournemouth (H) but that is genuinely a harder fixture this year than some of the away games we've won recently at Spurs and Man Utd.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by ponsaelius

[Lush Vlad]

Yeah I guess you’re all correct. 
 

Bournemouth having no options on the bench might have even played into their hands. Hard at it from the off. Like we often tried during our injury crisis last season. Try and get a foothold in the game and a lead to hang onto. 
 

Didn’t treat us with any respect and played without fear. It paid off for them with the early goal and all the success from their high risk, high reward pressing. We never really recovered from that and were on the back foot from the 2nd minute.  

[samptime29]

Bournemouth did what we've being doing often in this run. Start fast, get an early goal. Hopefully a full midweek will give us time to rest, train well and get 3 points next weekend. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

A similar game could have ended up completely differently TBF. They worked extremely hard and pressed us very well, but it’s not every day that would’ve led to us gifting them two goals.