mondonewc Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 We just had an off day, pretty much everyone was off it, and we got punished. Win the next two hopefully before entering into a season defining period, exciting times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Usually I’m fuming and totally irrational in the minutes/hours after a defeat. Felt reasonably measured yesterday and not too down. Yet today I feel more pissed off about it. Like I can’t quite get over how unprepared and bad we looked against how they setup. Howe may have some flaws. But I don’t think we have very often looked so bad tactically against what the opposition are trying to do. Hoping it is just a combination of quite a few things. Resulting in a perfect storm/nightmare for us on the day. Get back on track next week. I’m sure Howe will have had some choice words for them after and he will be working even more ridiculous hours than usual to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 It was so bad, with so many poor performances, I haven't read into it too much. We aren't a top team yet, but we're getting closer all the time so these things will happen. When they do you need to hope the opponent isn't on it either, unfortunately Bournemouth were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Usually I’m fuming and totally irrational in the minutes/hours after a defeat. Felt reasonably measured yesterday and not too down. Yet today I feel more pissed off about it. Like I can’t quite get over how unprepared and bad we looked against how they setup. Howe may have some flaws. But I don’t think we have very often looked so bad tactically against what the opposition are trying to do. Hoping it is just a combination of quite a few things. Resulting in a perfect storm/nightmare for us on the day. Get back on track next week. I’m sure Howe will have had some choice words for them after and he will be working even more ridiculous hours than usual to fix it. I genuinely think it was a case of a step too far after the run we have been on. Personally think the players have looked tired since the second half against Spurs, to then put in a monumental effort away at Arsenal is testament to them. A performance like yesterday was always likely given we can’t rotate the squad with quality options. A week in between games over the next couple of weeks will see us bounce back imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Just got to write it off as a bad day allround I think. If we don't follow it up with a win at Southampton I'd perhaps read more into it. It feels like bad dropped points because it's Bournemouth (H) but that is genuinely a harder fixture this year than some of the away games we've won recently at Spurs and Man Utd. Edited January 19 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Yeah I guess you’re all correct. Bournemouth having no options on the bench might have even played into their hands. Hard at it from the off. Like we often tried during our injury crisis last season. Try and get a foothold in the game and a lead to hang onto. Didn’t treat us with any respect and played without fear. It paid off for them with the early goal and all the success from their high risk, high reward pressing. We never really recovered from that and were on the back foot from the 2nd minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Bournemouth did what we've being doing often in this run. Start fast, get an early goal. Hopefully a full midweek will give us time to rest, train well and get 3 points next weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 A similar game could have ended up completely differently TBF. They worked extremely hard and pressed us very well, but it’s not every day that would’ve led to us gifting them two goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 should some of today's results go out way ( unlikely though) then we will get away with murder, and hopefully Howe will get a grip again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, wyn davies said: should some of today's results go out way ( unlikely though) then we will get away with murder, and hopefully Howe will get a grip again. You can hardly lose your grip after one defeat after 9 wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis80 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 They were miles off it from the first minute for whatever reason. They’ve been on a great run and it was going to happen eventually. But how the three subs came on and managed to be even worse was incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: You can hardly lose your grip after one defeat after 9 wins History repeats and once again I thought in game management was poor, let's see how he does over the next 9 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, wyn davies said: History repeats and once again I thought in game management was poor, let's see how he does over the next 9 games. It’s admirable that you manage to keep this up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Really important to look at yesterday's result in context. I'd be fine to sit through that every tenth game if we were as strong, consistent and powerful in the nine that preceded it. Other than Tonali they all seemed a bit off it, so hopefully just a blip and we have a great chance to get back on track at Southampton. We were absolutely ran over by a very good team. Someone else said it further up the thread but on paper "Bournemouth (H)" is viewed as a gimme, when they're now an almost nailed on top 10 team with their squad and manager. This isn't too often a problem thanks to how well we take the initiative and score first, but I absolutely hate watching us at home when we're chasing a deficit. West Ham and yesterday in particular, we were an absolute dream to play against in the second half. Fair bit of possession, absolutely no cut and thrust or creativity, slack final passes, gaps left all over the pitch and frittering away our own time. I don't pin that on Eddie entirely as I don't think we have the squad options for it, but he could really do with a drastically different "Plan B" option for those kind of scenarios. Think I recall Eddie saying it a while ago but adding to the squad is an important exercise just due to keeping the group fresh and removing a stale feeling, before you consider what they can actually add from a footballing perspective. I think that even one new face could really help us in that regard for the second half of the season. Hopefully Mitchell and co can figure us something out. Edited January 19 by Pilko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 50 minutes ago, wyn davies said: should some of today's results go out way ( unlikely though) then we will get away with murder, and hopefully Howe will get a grip again. Have a day off Wyn FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On a permanet day off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, wyn davies said: History repeats and once again I thought in game management was poor, let's see how he does over the next 9 games. If we win them all we should be fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cookie1892 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 18/01/2025 at 13:12, cubaricho said: We’re still the much more likely to win this. were you sniffing glue when you posted this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I don't think enough was made of this mistake by Howe. Against a strong pressing team, there was no need to force Botman into a bad spot. The other piece I noticed was that Bruno was coming deeper again to get the ball. It's almost like he was playing a 6 again. Not sure why, if it was tactical instruction or Bruno was off. I think their midfield man marking forced Bruno to do that and it caused us issues. Yes the referee also helped them by allowing them to get after Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Schar came on and didn't do any better. Think we'd have got beaten no matter if Schar started or not. Bruno came deep because we couldn't bypass their press at all Think you just give have to give credit to Bournemouth for a lot of our problems on Saturday Edited January 20 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: I don't think enough was made of this mistake by Howe. Against a strong pressing team, there was no need to force Botman into a bad spot. The other piece I noticed was that Bruno was coming deeper again to get the ball. It's almost like he was playing a 6 again. Not sure why, if it was tactical instruction or Bruno was off. I think their midfield man marking forced Bruno to do that and it caused us issues. Yes the referee also helped them by allowing them to get after Bruno. I think it was definitely noticeable that Bruno was playing more centrally than he has been and Tonali spent more time drifting wide. Whether it was instructional I'm not so sure, but it definitely didn't help as Bruno holds on to the ball too long and invites pressure. It left us looking disjointed like earlier in the season and isolated Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 20 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: I don't think enough was made of this mistake by Howe. Against a strong pressing team, there was no need to force Botman into a bad spot. The other piece I noticed was that Bruno was coming deeper again to get the ball. It's almost like he was playing a 6 again. Not sure why, if it was tactical instruction or Bruno was off. I think their midfield man marking forced Bruno to do that and it caused us issues. Yes the referee also helped them by allowing them to get after Bruno. Bournemouth press the 6 aggressively. Either tactical or players deciding themselves, Bruno came deep to start play. People can say Bruno holds the ball for too long but he's better under pressure than Tonali. If Bruno can evade a press we immediately have a numerical advantage, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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