Newcastle United 1-4 Bournemouth (18/01/25)

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

21 minutes ago, 1964 said:

The signs were there against Wolves

Na man, we smashed them In the end, that game has absolutely zero bearing on today, their manager, tactics & players were (and possibly are) better than us today, we have a million miles to go to be actual winners, the mindset is not right to be winners, we will win a lot of games but the games which make the difference are probably beyond us at this stage, we dont have the strength of mind to be competion / league winners yet imo, I just dont see a Keane, Viera personality in our team, I hope im wrong obv but im not convinced we have that stardust just yet

 

 

Edited January 18 by RUHRLYASLEEVESUP
Im a numpty

[Ben]

Lock the thread and move on 

[TheBrownBottle]

24 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Na man, we smashed them In the end, that game has absolutely zero bearing on today, their manager, tactics & players were (and possibly are) better than us today, we have a million miles to go to be actual winners, the mindset is not right to be winners, we will win a lot of games but the games which make the difference are probably beyond us at this stage, we dont have the strength of mind to be competion / league winners yet imo, I just dont see a Keane, Viera personality in our team, I hope im wrong obv but im not convinced we have that stardust just yet

 

 

 

It’s not to do with being winners, we were poor against Wolves, too; but Wolves are shite and Bournemouth aren’t.  Bournemouth played really well both in terms of their play and in knowing exactly how to exploit all of our players’ weaknesses (and we played poorly to boot).  BDB’s clumsiness, Botman’s lack of pace, Hall’s positional sense, Joelinton’s hot temper, Bruno’s playing with fire in trying to draw fouls, etc etc etc.  The match was a perfect storm in terms of beating this NUFC side.  Not sure re mindset as I’m not in the dressing room. 

[J7]

They were brilliant I thought and knew exactly how to play us. It was obvious from the off. They may be an unfashionable club, but they have an excellent manager and some very good players. Huijsen, Kerkez, Semenyo and Kluivert especially and he has Brooks and Christie playing very well. It’s the best team I’ve seen against us at SJP in a long time. I mean we weren’t at it and I’d say only Tonali really got pass marks, but I do think a lot of it was down to their approach. 

 

 

Edited January 18 by J7

[duo]

Just a bad day at the office- we all have them

[Wilson]

Fowwa 1 is ahful. 

 

To be honest though, I struggled to be annoyed throughout the whole game...dunno what it was.  Just gave credit to Bournemouth for absolutely Newcastle'ing the shit out of us and we couldn't deal with it.  They were class. 

 

Gona move on and hope it doesn't effect them too much going into the next game.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 18 by Wilson

[Danh1]

What was particularly shite was that second half we didn’t even look like scoring. Can’t recall an effort on target until a tame header at Kepa. Was like the West Ham and Brighton game in that regard. 
 

I like that Howe has acknowledged it was shite and do agree fatigue is a big part of it.

 

Hopefully put it right next week. Be nice if Forest could somehow fail to win but cannot see it.

[Disco]

Rare to see a good old fashioned battering. Don’t think anyone bar Tonali had a passable game. Never looked at it or close to getting near it at any point even after the equaliser. 
 

Perfect away performance from the AFCB boys. Thought their midfield two were excellent. Like how Joelinton plays at his best.

[brummie]

Just watched the highlights, Bournemouth were outstanding. They would have beaten just about everyone today.

 

They were like that against us, got a 96th minute equaliser but tbh they were unfortunate to have been losing in the first place.

 

They're tenacious as fuck too, what a great job that guy is doing.

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, J7 said:

They were brilliant I thought and knew exactly how to play us. It was obvious from the off. They may be an unfashionable club, but they have an excellent manager and some very good players. Huijsen, Kerkez, Semenyo and Kluivert especially and he has Brooks and Christie playing very well. It’s the best team I’ve seen against us at SJP in a long time. I mean we weren’t at it and I’d say only Tonali really got pass marks, but I do think a lot of it was down to their approach. 

 

 

 

Always liked Brooks since his Sheff United days, think he would have got a big move if not for ill health.

 

Best team to beat us resoundingly at home since Dortmund, also made me think back to Fulham in the promotion season after we’d had 2 huge wins.

 

These days can happen, but for me there’s a nagging doubt that we still haven’t evolved to handle a really good technical team who can match our physicality.

 

I got carried away thinking Tonali has solved our midfield woes, but today was a huge reality check.

[Ronson333]

6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Always liked Brooks since his Sheff United days, think he would have got a big move if not for ill health.

 

Best team to beat us resoundingly at home since Dortmund, also made me think back to Fulham in the promotion season after we’d had 2 huge wins.

 

These days can happen, but for me there’s a nagging doubt that we still haven’t evolved to handle a really good technical team who can match our physicality.

 

I got carried away thinking Tonali has solved our midfield woes, but today was a huge reality check.

We’ve won 9 in a row, we just had an off day.

[Ashley17]

It’s worth pointing out that not many teams have the fitness Bournemouth do or even the personnel to do what they did to us today. They played very well up here last season too and would have won if they had taken more of their chances, bearing in mind we got an iffy penalty and a Matt Ritchie fortunate scrappy equaliser. It’s not a good match up for us and hopefully we will put it right in future. 

[McDog]

6 minutes ago, brummie said:

Just watched the highlights, Bournemouth were outstanding. They would have beaten just about everyone today.

 

They were like that against us, got a 96th minute equaliser but tbh they were unfortunate to have been losing in the first place.

 

They're tenacious as fuck too, what a great job that guy is doing.

 

 

In an unrelated note, nice comeback by Villa to snatch a point.

On the fatigue question, would explain some of the bad passing and terrible touches.

[huss9]

2 hours ago, Danh1 said:

What was particularly shite was that second half we didn’t even look like scoring. Can’t recall an effort on target until a tame header at Kepa. Was like the West Ham and Brighton game in that regard. 
 

I like that Howe has acknowledged it was shite and do agree fatigue is a big part of it.

 

Hopefully put it right next week. Be nice if Forest could somehow fail to win but cannot see it.

think gordon had one cleared off the line and also had his volley blocked - looked like it was heading in.

 

[Cf]

1 hour ago, brummie said:

Just watched the highlights, Bournemouth were outstanding. They would have beaten just about everyone today.

 

They were like that against us, got a 96th minute equaliser but tbh they were unfortunate to have been losing in the first place.

 

They're tenacious as fuck too, what a great job that guy is doing.

 

Understat has them 3rd on xPTs.

 

Fulham 4th. 

 

Both of them have been very very good this season. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

8 hours ago, Disco said:

Rare to see a good old fashioned battering. Don’t think anyone bar Tonali had a passable game. Never looked at it or close to getting near it at any point even after the equaliser. 
 

Perfect away performance from the AFCB boys. Thought their midfield two were excellent. Like how Joelinton plays at his best.

Spot on. These performances happen. Even to the best sides. Manure shipping 11 goals in two games and still winning the league in ‘96-97 comes to mind. 

Worst thing about yesterday’s performance for me was a flash forward to a potential cup final. The reminder of what can happen to us when we don’t turn up evaporated my sense of hope that even if we get Liverpool we could beat them in our current run of form. Too many disappointments, in crucial games,  hovering in my memory. 

[ExiledGeordie]

I do think we looked lethargic and not at it. Maybe they were a bit jaded maybe even a bit complacent expecting a win, who knows. They definitely got a shock the way Bournemouth started and then never really got to grips with the game. When you have that number of players off their game and on the flip side everything the opposition does they do well you’re going to get it handed to you in this league.

 

That game yesterday raised two things, our lack of pace at CB which has to be addressed in the summer and still out lack of depth. We’re still essentially relying on the same players in the same set up. If you look at Pool for example they can bring in a completely different look up front and freshen things up, we can’t. 
 

The lads have done brilliant recently and it feels this was one of those days. We can rightly call it out as a really poor performance but it’s overboard to start analysing things too far. Maybe this defeat will serve as a handy reminder for them and actually help with the matches coming up. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

[ExiledGeordie]

11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

To be fair it did feel like Bournemouth had one of those perfect days where everything came off. That’s not to knock their performance but they had a dream day whereas we were the complete opposite. That being said the way they played stopped us in our tracks and led to even more errors, hats off to them. 
 

It was their pace, crispness of passing and sharpness that impressed me. 

 

 

Edited January 19 by ExiledGeordie

[Yorkie]

Without wishing to go overboard with praise re the visitors - cos they've had plenty - it was pretty amazing to see Brooks not only playing, given what he's been through, but playing brilliantly. Can remember when he first burst onto the scene he looked a serious talent with a glass ceiling, and I thought he looked close to that player again yesterday. Remarkable recovery. 

[duo]

10 hours ago, Disco said:

Rare to see a good old fashioned battering. Don’t think anyone bar Tonali had a passable game. Never looked at it or close to getting near it at any point even after the equaliser. 
 

Perfect away performance from the AFCB boys. Thought their midfield two were excellent. Like how Joelinton plays at his best.

It was like the perfect storm  - we just weren't at our best and Bournemouths tactics exploited that to perfection. To a man they were excellent- marked man to man, didn't give our players any space. And when we made a mistake they were quick to pounce and take advantage. They got their tactics spot on. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Struggling to accept the fatigue excuse, Bournemouth have played 4 times in 14 days, we have played 5 in same period (one against Bromley where a lot of yesterdays players didn't start) Bournemouth had to travel to Newcastle & basically have 11 players who've played virtually every minute of every game over the last 4 games / 14 days, If fatigue is going to be used as an excuse how on earth are we going to cope with European football being as we seem unable / reluctant to spend to improve squad depth ?

Bournemouth completely outplayed, outfought & outthought us on our own pitch, a bump in the road for sure but a salutary message to me that were still a long way from being competition winners (which means an awful lot to me at my stage in life) on we go 


 

[Kid Icarus]

This is the problem with WUMing, when you do what looks like a more serious post but it's still daft, it's hard to tell the difference. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

This is the problem with WUMing, when you do what looks like a more serious post but it's still daft, it's hard to tell the difference. 

Everyones different but I stand admonished, I will be changing my ways 

[Ronson333]

22 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Struggling to accept the fatigue excuse, Bournemouth have played 4 times in 14 days, we have played 5 in same period (one against Bromley where a lot of yesterdays players didn't start) Bournemouth had to travel to Newcastle & basically have 11 players who've played virtually every minute of every game over the last 4 games / 14 days, If fatigue is going to be used as an excuse how on earth are we going to cope with European football being as we seem unable / reluctant to spend to improve squad depth ?

Bournemouth completely outplayed, outfought & outthought us on our own pitch, a bump in the road for sure but a salutary message to me that were still a long way from being competition winners (which means an awful lot to me at my stage in life) on we go 


 

We’re 2-0 up after the first leg of a senior final…How on earth are we apparently ‘long way from being competition winners’?