Jaqen Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 23 minutes ago, Lotus said: From what I remember Wirtz has great technique with hitting ball, passing and shooting. Maybe dribbling isn’t a big strength, he’s not quick, not powerful and doesn’t have insane skillzz. I think Havertz as a great 1st touch tbf. It hasn’t clicked for him the Prem really. Makes it hard to judge. Has looked like he’s rushed things when his technique should give him a little more time. Maybe he overthinks stuff. Wolt I think has very good technique. Good dribbling, good passer of the ball. Yet to see him really hitting the ball on goal with any conviction (regularly ). Completely agree that he needs to be more of a bully. When you’re that big, throw it around and scare people. Pick on the weakest, make it moody. Wirtz is the best dribbler out the 3 by a mile to be fair to him. He's got really good acceleration too. Wolte is unique in that his strengths are what you wouldn't expect from a player for his size. He has good feet and he's good in tight situations but I do think a lot of how good he is technically is overrated simply due to the novelty factor of his height. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: If we had a 5’8 player that wasn’t particularly mobile or quick, not a great athlete, not a great engine, doesn’t put a tackle in etc. he’d have to be a super technician to succeed at £60m right? Bruno is almost that but he’s a workhorse -and he is a supreme baller. Bruno is not even nearly almost like that. Not by stats or the eye test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Alberto2005 said: @Yorkie Here ya go (Link only lasts 2 days): https://streamable.com/9yejr0?src=player-page-share That is a great watch. Must feel more satisfying having that many touches/involvements than chasing around feeding on scraps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 It's just great seeing Nick more involved in that kind of position for the time being, nothing was sticking with him up front for ages and I was starting to lose hope. He played up front on his own at PSG but I think that's 5 games now where he's not been on the pitch without someone else playing up front. Suggests that's the plan for the moment, if we have the personnel available to support it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 If his long-term future is more as an attacking midfielder than as a striker then it should hopefully open the door for us to invest at CF again in the summer. I've got faith that Wissa will come good eventually, and assume he's been sat down until he gets himself into shape, but we definitely need to go again in that department if we're going to disrupt again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 28 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Wirtz is the best dribbler out the 3 by a mile to be fair to him. He's got really good acceleration too. Wolte is unique in that his strengths are what you wouldn't expect from a player for his size. He has good feet and he's good in tight situations but I do think a lot of how good he is technically is overrated simply due to the novelty factor of his height. Don’t remember thinking Wirtz was a great dribbler or quick when watching him in the Bundesliga but could’ve been wrong. Brandt looked a better all round player to me both physically and skill set but he’s mentality and decision making has always looked suspect (imo). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Wirtz 1 hour ago, Jaqen said: Wirtz is the best dribbler out the 3 by a mile to be fair to him. He's got really good acceleration too. Wolte is unique in that his strengths are what you wouldn't expect from a player for his size. He has good feet and he's good in tight situations but I do think a lot of how good he is technically is overrated simply due to the novelty factor of his height. What you’re saying about Nick is kind of what I’m trying to ask and I’m getting at. He’s not some kind of elite baller that would be at this level if he was 5’8. And tbf he scores a fair few with his head. But he needs to use that size to fend players off and impact a game. Whether that’s in his feet to use his quick feet to turn and pass into space. Great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Striker or AM, he simply needs movement & pace around him. I hope Howe isn't writing him off as a striker yet - I think this new role makes sense for the rest of the season but I reckon a solid preseason into him will see a good improvement in his game as a lone ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 hours ago, Alberto2005 said: @Yorkie Here ya go (Link only lasts 2 days): https://streamable.com/9yejr0?src=player-page-share Just sent this to someone and they said 'he's awful, it's easy to pass it sideways and backwards'. eh??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, lovejoy said: Just sent this to someone and they said 'he's awful, it's easy to pass it sideways and backwards'. eh??? It's his every touch obviously a lot of the passes are going to be sideways or backwards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, Alberto2005 said: It's his every touch obviously a lot of the passes are going to be sideways or backwards every touch and i dont think he loses it once! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 While Bruno is out I think we should persist with this set up now for the foreseeable. Will be great for his development and he will grow into the position. He has great vision and weight of pass and as mentioned before, if he beefs up abit and gets stronger so that he's impossible to knock off the ball without fouling then he could be an incredible link player. Also think he will actually get more goals this way than if he was upfront alone. Will mean he will get more cut backs and rebounds etc falling his way if he follows his through passes into the box. It's his first season, there are teething issues, but in no way can anyone describe him as a flop or anywhere close. Sure he hasn't fit but he's part of a team that needs to go through a transition and find it's new best system. Clearly the last few games have shown we are finding a more effective way to get more out of the likes of Gordon, Elanga, Ramsey, Tonali and Nick than the rinsed out flat 433 we're used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 16 minutes ago, lovejoy said: every touch and i dont think he loses it once! I wouldn't show those bits actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Let‘s call Goretzka‘s personal coach, they have/ had a similar physique, copying that transformation would be juicy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, HMSIllustrious said: Let‘s call Goretzka‘s personal coach, they have/ had a similar physique, copying that transformation would be juicy. Dr PEDs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Aye, it’s just juicing. Save money on a coach salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 58 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Dr PEDs? Just good nutrition and late bloomer genes 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, HMSIllustrious said: Let‘s call Goretzka‘s personal coach, they have/ had a similar physique, copying that transformation would be juicy. Yes, adding very little usable strength, reducing dexterity but getting into contention for a Playgirl spread is what needs to be done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Will bulking up do anything for his strength? I don't think so. It's how he uses his body and his intelligence that will make him him strong Ekitike is also built like a toothpick but seems incredibly strong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, janpawel said: Will bulking up do anything for his strength? I don't think so. It's how he uses his body and his intelligence that will make him him strong Ekitike is also built like a toothpick but seems incredibly strong Unless you are curling dumbbells, none of that muscle is of any use in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Unless you are curling dumbbells, none of that muscle is of any use in football. Normally I'd agree but since football these days seem to allow players throwing each other around without fouls being calls alot of the time maybe it does have some uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 13 hours ago, Fak said: Bojangles has gone? He was posting on here on Saturday night I was never gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 12 hours ago, The College Dropout said: How good do people think Woltemade is technically? Hes good technically for me but not better than the likes of Wirtz or Havertz. A level down from them imo. For Woltemade to maximise his career he has to use his body better imo. His size is an unfair advantage that he needs to learn to use better. I remember when Fellaini played as a supporting striker. He just couldn’t be stopped. He’d pell off onto a fullback And then play, Woltemade has to do more of that. Of the three, Wirtz is technically the best in my opinion. I've been observing him for the last few years. Wirtz is simply a technical genius. 11 hours ago, Lotus said: From what I remember Wirtz has great technique with hitting ball, passing and shooting. Maybe dribbling isn’t a big strength, he’s not quick, not powerful and doesn’t have insane skillzz. I disagree. Wirtz is also very strong at dribbling. He's already shown that this year with Liverpool. And I remember a goal he scored in the Bundesliga where he dribbled past four players in a very tight space inside the penalty area and scored. Big Nick, however, represents the impossible, the spectacular. Almost all of his goals have something extraordinary, something fascinating about them. That's what makes his actions so special. On top of that, he's simply a very likeable guy. The kind of guy you meet on the street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 11 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I also don’t rate Havertz particularly highly either - he doesn’t have top level mentality. I see it exactly the same way. Edited February 17 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, HMSIllustrious said: Let‘s call Goretzka‘s personal coach, they have/ had a similar physique, copying that transformation would be juicy. The only gains Goretzka really kept from the roids was speed running baldness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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