KennyUtd Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I can't see how a professional footballer can be so ineffective in another position. It's understandable he wouldn't be as good in midfield as a proper midfielder but he looks absolutely lost. Don't even see much effort to adapt and help the team. Pity the lad but it's beyond pathetic now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemo96 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 If the lad has been ill with norovirus or whatever he shouldn’t have really be in the squad never mind first team. He looked knackered and disoriented from minute one and if he’d said he was ok to play then that’s down to the coaching team not doing their job ie duty of care. I’m in the chucked under the bus gang. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Never, ever a midfielder. Can’t remember the last time he was played up top. Boxing Day maybe? First half against Chelsea at home should be the blueprint for when he plays. Not whatever…this…is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 There’s a school of thought that he’s an elite player in waiting and it’s just a bad tactical fit. im not convinced. I’m not convinced he has the technical ability to overcome his physical and mental limitations. Mentally he needs to come on leaps and bounds imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) Having good feet and the occasional nice first touch pass just isn't anywhere near enough. Those things have to be paired with a physical/mental attribute such as strength, pace or at the very least tenacity to be effective imo. Of course there are many successful players who have relied on technique alone, but rarely are they premier league players - more likely la liga. We don't even know if he's a decent finisher because he barely got chances beyond the unsustainable scoring run he went on early on in his time here - which was partly the fault of his movement and instincts and partly the fault of the team being terrible at creating chances for him. From what I've seen though, I don't think he's a particularly good striker of the ball like Osula or Barnes are for instance. I believe that him being a bit of an anomaly and so unique in terms of his height and technique buy him a lot of favour, if he was a 5'9 forward with the same attributes and flaws, he'd have probably been written off a while ago as nowhere near good enough for us. We also have no idea what position he plays, and nor does Eddie by the looks of it. For me, he has so few strengths and so many massive weaknesses in essential parts of the game, that at 24 years old it's highly unlikely he will develop them enough here in order to make it as a premier league player. Edited March 8 by Infinitely Content Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I’m not sure you can really do much to fix his physical limitations. You can’t make him run much faster, you could make him stronger but there’s a limit to that if he’s naturally frail, and I swear he can only jump a couple of inches off the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 13 hours ago, alexf said: Was hung out to dry a little here. Been ill and lost weight Eddie said so clearly was gonna be off it tonight anyways with that in mind. Then you add in that it's fucking Man City and he is utterly unsuited to playing midfield against them anyways and his chronic pack of confidence and form at the mo and that's the performance you get. The fact he wasn't hooked at halftime was the signal to me that a) they didn't care about getting knocked out today and b) he is definitely not playing on Tuesday and they just left him out there as they want to protect other players for their minutes. With all that said, tonight was up there with the worst we have seen from him, think he lost the ball every single time he was near it and contributed nothing offensively or defensively. Oh sorry forgot he had that shot but the less said about that the better. Him, Elanga and Wissa worry me massively for future. Theres a long way to go for all of them to look anywhere near the value we signed them for. exactly what i thought at the time. wasnt too happy about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Caught Noro myself two weeks ago…terrible, saps all power out of you for at least a week. If he really was ill with that I can’t see why they even thought about throwing him in, makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, HMSIllustrious said: Caught Noro myself two weeks ago…terrible, saps all power out of you for at least a week. If he really was ill with that I can’t see why they even thought about throwing him in, makes no sense at all. To save Joelinton for Barca Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 He was strangely doing okay as a striker overall until Wissa came back, the constant chopping and changing up front and now this midfield role hasn't helped him at all I get Gordon is probably first choice striker for certain games, for me if Gordon is rested or gets moved out wide then Woltemade needs to be playing up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Eddie might as well throw him to the wolves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Would like to see Woltemade up front with a nippy player beside him( maybe Gordon or someone like Jackson) Thinking Crouch/Defoe , Crouch/Bellamy..We do need to change our formation for this to work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 13 minutes ago, johnny36 said: Would like to see Woltemade up front with a nippy player beside him( maybe Gordon or someone like Jackson) Thinking Crouch/Defoe , Crouch/Bellamy..We do need to change our formation for this to work Those formations aren't played anymore. Doubt it'll happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Geordie Ahmed said: He was strangely doing okay as a striker overall until Wissa came back, the constant chopping and changing up front and now this midfield role hasn't helped him at all I get Gordon is probably first choice striker for certain games, for me if Gordon is rested or gets moved out wide then Woltemade needs to be playing up front I think that gets overblown tbh. He was pretty anonymous in his first few games, but he did score a few worldies which took the pressure off. We weren't really able to get up the pitch using him as a target man, and pressing isn't really his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I really like him and given his age I think there’s a good chance he becomes a top level player - there’s too many glimpses of quality. Eddie has mismanaged him I feel though. He’s fucking shite in midfield and playing him v City there was either naive or career assassination (I don’t actually believe this) I get he doesnt suite Howe’s usual system so then change it once you’ve realised it doesn’t work. If/when we lose to Barca the rest of the season needs to be focused on getting him back up front and finding ways to get Gordon/Barnes beyond him on the wings. Wissa isn’t a future here but there needs to he some sort of concerted effort to see if Wolt can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I just think our season would have been so different with Joao Pedro or Ekitike playing up front for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 48 minutes ago, TRon said: I think that gets overblown tbh. He was pretty anonymous in his first few games, but he did score a few worldies which took the pressure off. We weren't really able to get up the pitch using him as a target man, and pressing isn't really his game. That's why I said okay and not great, his link up play was decent but wasn't get in the box enough but still scored goals Whereas now he really is doing badly, not all his fault as he isn't a midfielder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 40 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: That's why I said okay and not great, his link up play was decent but wasn't get in the box enough but still scored goals Whereas now he really is doing badly, not all his fault as he isn't a midfielder Definitely something he needs to work on in terms of aggressiveness and attacking the ball in the box but I do think he has got a lot of unfair stick at times for not being in the box for a cross when if it wasn't for his dropping deep and linking play we'd be nowhere near the box in the first place, like if he plays the ball through to a winger when he's 40 yards from goal he can't teleport to the penalty spot to get to a first time cross, it needs the midfielder to read when he's dropped that they need to run beyond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Who would have expected this development after his successful first few months at Toon!? Wirtz was considered the biggest flop in the Premier League, and Wolte the most positive surprise. And now Wirtz is world-class, and Wolte is the flop. Eddie destroyed Wolte's reputation by playing him in midfield. From fan favorite to scapegoat. I never want to see Wolte play in midfield again. Either as a striker or on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 55 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I just think our season would have been so different with Joao Pedro or Ekitike playing up front for us That’s where I disagree most. You can’t blame the defending on a striker right? We are in fact scoring fine and it’s our defending that’s the problem I mean seriously after so many defending horror show, most of the posts are criticising Nick? What? No fucking way we ain’t doing defending or pressing properly just because of Nick? The one asked to play out of position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Even if there was 1 percent chance he could make it as a midfielder, the last game you would test it would be against Man City. Same for Osula as CF, it was just unfair on either player to be expected to suddenly find their feet in that game. I mean neither could do it against Qarabag so it was never going to work last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 He got quite a patronising little clap when he went to the touchline last night. Bless him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zero said: That’s where I disagree most. You can’t blame the defending on a striker right? We are in fact scoring fine and it’s our defending that’s the problem I mean seriously after so many defending horror show, most of the posts are criticising Nick? What? No fucking way we ain’t doing defending or pressing properly just because of Nick? The one asked to play out of position? I’m not blaming Nick at all here, I probably should have been clearer. I still retain that he’ll come good and I will continue back him. 10 goals isn’t a bad return for someone that’s come from aboard and still developing. I’m just saying those two players wouldn’t have meant a change in style where now don’t really have the same threat upfront as before. Again, I agree, the goals we’ve conceded this season have been pretty amateurish. You can consistently challenge at the top of your let in the amount goals we’ve been shipping Edited March 8 by andyc35i Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 When you look at how Eddie's teams have played he is a complete miss fit.know we needed striker but he was never a fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Mover Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Nick's problem is Eddie Howe who hasn't got a clue what to do with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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