Keggy_Keagal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Behind the striker , he needs those pockets of space to play in . It's not a radical shift tactically it can be done easily with a 4-2-3-1. If it's a case as has been alluded to recently that the players have to fit Howe's tactics/formation. If that's the case why buy him in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I wish I could see the presentation they gave Woltemade which convinced him to join us. Specifically the section on how we would use him. Surely the pitch wasn't 'replace Isak in our 4 3 3'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Don't thnk we learned anything we didn't already know His best position as a number 10 and we don't play with a number 10. Something has to give for him to succeed here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, TRon said: I think either he goes or Howe goes tbh. He might be a really good striker in a different team, I just don't see how he fits in a Howe one. That's exactly what I wrote. All my statements refer only to this season, even if Yorkie might perceive it differently. I like Eddie, and I also like Toon – it's my favorite club in the Premier League. Because the fans have impressed me – with the exception of the admin, Yorkie. I respect Eddie's achievements for the club in recent years. But this season – and this is the only one I can judge – he stubbornly clung to an unsuccessful system. There's no longer an Isaak who fit into that concept. And that's Eddie's big mistake: he simply doesn't react. And surely it's still permissible for me, as a Wolte fan, to say that the two of them probably aren't a good fit, without wanting to diminish Eddie's performance up to the previous season. I find the way Yorkie expresses himself to me appalling. He reads what he wants to read. That's why I dislike Yorkie, just as he dislikes me. If I thought Yorkie represented the average Toon fan, I would have left already. But I know there are a lot of nice people here who respect other opinions without being offensive. At least, that's how I perceive Yorkie's comments to me. Just to reiterate for everyone: My criticism only applies to this season. Eddie did a fantastic job before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said: Behind the striker , he needs those pockets of space to play in . It's not a radical shift tactically it can be done easily with a 4-2-3-1. If it's a case as has been alluded to recently that the players have to fit Howe's tactics/formation. If that's the case why buy him in the first place? Last September in an interview for Sky Germany Nick said the following: "The Newcastle project is awesome. The coach and the core of the team have been here for years. They only bring in a few new players at a time, like me for example. The club should continue on this path. When you qualify for the Champions League twice in a row in the Premier League, that’s statement enough. I’ve already been at two incredible clubs with amazing fans in Bremen and Stuttgart. Here in Newcastle, it’s a different kind of fan culture, but it’s also a massive club! I can already feel that. Everyone here is passionate about this club. That’s something that really appeals to me. On top of that, there's the sporting perspective. Last year, the club finally won a title again after 70 years. That’s the path we should keep following. I’m excited for the task, I’m excited for the challenge! That’s why I’m here!" I guess they didnt even talk much about tactics since they were so eager to get the deal done (both parties mind). Edited April 26 by HMSIllustrious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: That's exactly what I wrote. All my statements refer only to this season, even if Yorkie might perceive it differently. I like Eddie, and I also like Toon – it's my favorite club in the Premier League. Because the fans have impressed me – with the exception of the admin, Yorkie. I respect Eddie's achievements for the club in recent years. But this season – and this is the only one I can judge – he stubbornly clung to an unsuccessful system. There's no longer an Isaak who fit into that concept. And that's Eddie's big mistake: he simply doesn't react. And surely it's still permissible for me, as a Wolte fan, to say that the two of them probably aren't a good fit, without wanting to diminish Eddie's performance up to the previous season. I find the way Yorkie expresses himself to me appalling. He reads what he wants to read. That's why I dislike Yorkie, just as he dislikes me. If I thought Yorkie represented the average Toon fan, I would have left already. But I know there are a lot of nice people here who respect other opinions without being offensive. At least, that's how I perceive Yorkie's comments to me. Just to reiterate for everyone: My criticism only applies to this season. Eddie did a fantastic job before that. I confess that I could've made my point without the aggression so I apologise for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 @Jack14Bojangles I think you just rubbed some people here the wrong way. Being fan of a player instead of a team for me is a strange concept (though I know it becomes more common by the day), especially when you can’t expect much loyalty from players. And even though you say NUFC is your most favourite club in the PL you just said you have only followed it this season (after Nick‘s arrival). If you then harshly criticise a club legend, you have to reap the storm that you have sowed I guess. Just ask yourself whether you would still be here once Nick left and you know how much you care about the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Keggy_Keagal said: Behind the striker , he needs those pockets of space to play in . It's not a radical shift tactically it can be done easily with a 4-2-3-1. If it's a case as has been alluded to recently that the players have to fit Howe's tactics/formation. If that's the case why buy him in the first place? This is the obvious bit, he naturally drifts there. So far he hasn't been accommodated to show real product Edited April 26 by Holloway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I confess that I could've made my point without the aggression so I apologise for that. Apology accepted. You showed class, and that deserves my respect. Yes, I'm a Woltemade fan, but I really like Toon a lot. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought the jersey. Ever since I played in a grass-court tennis tournament in England in 2014 and met the people there, I've liked the people here. Through Nick, I then had the opportunity to support Toon. I had looked into the club. Then there was the atmosphere at SJP, the amazing fans. That's how I ended up here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 27 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: That's exactly what I wrote. All my statements refer only to this season, even if Yorkie might perceive it differently. I like Eddie, and I also like Toon – it's my favorite club in the Premier League. Because the fans have impressed me – with the exception of the admin, Yorkie. I respect Eddie's achievements for the club in recent years. But this season – and this is the only one I can judge – he stubbornly clung to an unsuccessful system. There's no longer an Isaak who fit into that concept. And that's Eddie's big mistake: he simply doesn't react. And surely it's still permissible for me, as a Wolte fan, to say that the two of them probably aren't a good fit, without wanting to diminish Eddie's performance up to the previous season. I find the way Yorkie expresses himself to me appalling. He reads what he wants to read. That's why I dislike Yorkie, just as he dislikes me. If I thought Yorkie represented the average Toon fan, I would have left already. But I know there are a lot of nice people here who respect other opinions without being offensive. At least, that's how I perceive Yorkie's comments to me. Just to reiterate for everyone: My criticism only applies to this season. Eddie did a fantastic job before that. I think relatively new posters get jumped on quicker than long serving ones even if they make the same point. @Yorkie is normally a patient mod, and without really getting into the personal spats which end up breaking out here, fans are very loyal to Howe and will try to back him as far as they can. It doesn't mean they are right necessarily, but it's just a matter of opinion at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 19 minutes ago, HMSIllustrious said: @Jack14Bojangles I think you just rubbed some people here the wrong way. Being fan of a player instead of a team for me is a strange concept (though I know it becomes more common by the day), especially when you can’t expect much loyalty from players. And even though you say NUFC is your most favourite club in the PL you just said you have only followed it this season (after Nick‘s arrival). If you then harshly criticise a club legend, you have to reap the storm that you have sowed I guess. Just ask yourself whether you would still be here once Nick left and you know how much you care about the club. Even if Nick leaves the club, Toon will always have a place in my heart. Sounds sentimental, but it's true. And yes, I've only been a fan since this season. But everyone has to start somewhere. Except, of course, for those born here; they're Toon fans by birth. For many out-of-town fans, one player was the starting point for their connection to this club. Be glad that a "Kraut" has found his way to you. That's not bad, is it? In my previous post, I explained that I didn't mean to diminish Eddie's past achievements. If that came across as too harsh, I apologize. Maybe it's the translation program, I don't know. In any case, that wasn't my intention. Edited April 26 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 37 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: That's exactly what I wrote. All my statements refer only to this season, even if Yorkie might perceive it differently. I like Eddie, and I also like Toon – it's my favorite club in the Premier League. Because the fans have impressed me – with the exception of the admin, Yorkie. I respect Eddie's achievements for the club in recent years. But this season – and this is the only one I can judge – he stubbornly clung to an unsuccessful system. There's no longer an Isaak who fit into that concept. And that's Eddie's big mistake: he simply doesn't react. And surely it's still permissible for me, as a Wolte fan, to say that the two of them probably aren't a good fit, without wanting to diminish Eddie's performance up to the previous season. I find the way Yorkie expresses himself to me appalling. He reads what he wants to read. That's why I dislike Yorkie, just as he dislikes me. If I thought Yorkie represented the average Toon fan, I would have left already. But I know there are a lot of nice people here who respect other opinions without being offensive. At least, that's how I perceive Yorkie's comments to me. Just to reiterate for everyone: My criticism only applies to this season. Eddie did a fantastic job before that. Post,lad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 About time the admin Yorkie got called out on being a nasty piece of work IMO, anybody want to dig out the admin Rich while we're on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 25 minutes ago, Andy said: About time the admin Yorkie got called out on being a nasty piece of work IMO, anybody want to dig out the admin Rich while we're on? Now we’re talking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I've heard Rich claps when an aeroplane has landed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just watched the Nazi Gold documentary on PBS it basically describes their rise to power and what tactics were used to get them there Worrying parallels to the N-O admin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Ben said: Just watched the Nazi Gold documentary on PBS it basically describes their rise to power and what tactics were used to get them there Worrying parallels to the N-O admin. Who is the admin Ernst Rohm? The Goebbels? Big ‘Dolph? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: Who is the admin Ernst Rohm? The Goebbels? Big ‘Dolph? Henry Ford was bank rolling them at the start, so i think we need to look at our American posters to see where the real power lies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Ben said: Henry Ford was bank rolling them at the start, so i think we need to look at our American posters to see where the real power lies. Coming soon the new Speer, Guderian and Mannstein models fresh off the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 38 minutes ago, Andy said: About time the admin Yorkie got called out on being a nasty piece of work IMO, anybody want to dig out the admin Rich while we're on? Yorkie's grumpier than me these days, it's great. That's what fatherhood does to you, lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Well this thread has certainly raised a much needed chuckle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) N-O admin meeting when they aren't in the box or buying Jaffa cakes. Edited April 26 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Think I offered to fight Rich (irl) in the DMs. I was in a bad place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, Jack14Bojangles said: Apology accepted. You showed class, and that deserves my respect. Yes, I'm a Woltemade fan, but I really like Toon a lot. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought the jersey. Ever since I played in a grass-court tennis tournament in England in 2014 and met the people there, I've liked the people here. Through Nick, I then had the opportunity to support Toon. I had looked into the club. Then there was the atmosphere at SJP, the amazing fans. That's how I ended up here. I wish I had a good backstory as to how I became a new (tedious as fuck, apparently) NUFC fan. I spun this fucking thing. https://spinthewheel.app/premier-league-teams-2Wtp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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