r0cafella Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Menace said: Don't really see how you can downplay getting twatted by Barcelona as anything but an embarrassment but fair enough. The way the team collapsed and lost their head made us look like amateurs. Under a different manager it would be murder if we are being honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: I think getting botted by anyone and concerning 7 is a humiliation honestly. I don't care who does it. I think some people need to realise we have a team full of international and it might not always be best to go toe to toe especially if you think the other side is much better than you are. Going toe-to-toe is what got us within touching distance with 45 minutes to go. This reverse engineering of the result onto the tactics needs to stop like, it's silly confirmation bias. The tactics to get the outcome we wanted were there in abundance in both legs and we didn't capitalise on it, particularly in the first leg. Barcelona suddenly getting into gear in the last 45 minutes of the tie doesn't automatically bring the approach to both ties into question, not unless there's a clear line from our chosen tactics to individual errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Under a different manager it would be murder if we are being honest. What points like this continue to fail to recognise is that under a different manager deserving of the criticism you speak of, you very likely wouldn't even be in this position to 'feel embarrassed' in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Kid Icarus said: What points like this continue to fail to recognise is that under a different manager deserving of the criticism you speak of, you very likely wouldn't even be in this position to 'feel embarrassed' in the first place. Aye right Eddie Howe is the world's only capable manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2nd half was embarrassing and I just wanted it to end, if felt like when you are getting smashed at local football and you're asking the ref to blow up early. However, I am proud to get where we are, a lot of what if's surrounding this tie, what if we went into this game 1 up, what if Fermin and Yamal were suspended etc!! I know any team can say that but I am holding on to it. Hope we can finish the season strongly now and nick into the Europa league spots. I feel know is a perfect time for a lot of changes to the playing staff, really hope we can keep hold of Bruno! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) It was just the nature of the goals conceded. Every single one felt like mistakes from us. Goal 1) Thiaw slipping and getting turned too easily then Hall slipping leaving the space. Goal 2) Burn dropping deep to play everyone onside and the rest of the team not following. Goal 3) Trippier pulling back the player because he got caught short and didn't have the reactions to get back in, also likely the player still doesn't reach the pass even without the pull. Goal 4) Tonali leaves his man to Thiaw who doesn't go towards fermin he goes towards the ball instead. Goal 5) Simple corner, marking poor and Tino outmuscled too easily. Goal 6) Burn trying to get too tight to a much more agile and skillful player, Thiaw not matched the run of Lewa when he has the pace to do so and tries to cut out the pass instead and gets all in a tangle. Goal 7) Ramsey with the sort of pass that gets punished in a Sunday league let alone a knockout cl game against Barca. All of that and not including some of the other fuck ups like when Thiaw falls over and gives a 1v1 against Burn or the Yamal miss 5 yards out. Nothing came from amazing Barca attacking. It was all avoidable mistakes. On a night where we needed to be flawless defensively to get through we instead threw in 7 goals against ourselves pretty much. So yeah I don't think we were that far off them over the two games as the score suggests, we just self sabotaged and it all went wrong very very quickly. Sure other teams will laugh at us and rightly so but internally they need to take the positives from the 3 out of 4 very good halves. Edited March 19 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Under a different manager it would be murder if we are being honest. If the situation was completely different it would be different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, r0cafella said: Aye right Eddie Howe is the world's only capable manager. and yet when you and your like are asked to name another realistic one that would do better you throw around exactly this rhetorical nonsense, because you're incapable of actually specifying one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Kid Icarus said: and yet when you and your like are asked to name another realistic one that would do better you throw around exactly this rhetorical nonsense, because you're incapable of actually specifying one. I'm not trying to get rid of the current one. Just merely stating losing 7-2 is embarrassing. You feel it isn't which is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, duo said: Yesterday was finally the night the players ran out of gas. They're shattered. It's no coincidence that it's the PL teams that have mostly dropped out. PL is the most demanding and physical league in the world. Players get no mid season break. And the new format is more games they have to play to proceed. Spot on. The overall standard of the PL and it's competitiveness is way above any other league. I watched Wolves on Monday night and they looked excellent! The teams from the other nations who qualified can cruise through a lot of their domestic fixtures, you just can't in the PL. That was our 50th competitive match last night (?) and about 20 in the last couple of months. It's been the hardest schedule ever and we did it with a lot of key injuries. Only thing that surprises me is that we didn't run out of gas much earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I'm not trying to get rid of the current one. Just merely stating losing 7-2 is embarrassing. You feel it isn't which is fine. I don't no, because context is always going to matter. This wasn't just any team, in any competition, in any location that we're talking about here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I actually think the BBC have got this spot on. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqxd55dxrejo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curva Sud Milano Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 You should be proud of your Champions League... if someone hasn't seen both matches, they'll think you were humiliated but in reality you played on equal terms for 135 minutes (or better, in the first 90 minutes you were better than them). The result is heavy but misleading. Maybe you don't have the quality of a great team but you certainly have the character and personality of a great club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo123 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, alexf said: It was just the nature of the goals conceded. Every single one felt like mistakes from us. Goal 1) Thiaw slipping and getting turned too easily then Hall slipping leaving the space. Goal 2) Burn dropping deep to play everyone onside and the rest of the team not following. Goal 3) Trippier pulling back the player because he got caught short and didn't have the reactions to get back in, also likely the player still doesn't reach the pass even without the pull. Goal 4) Tonali leaves his man to Thiaw who doesn't go towards fermin he goes towards the ball instead. Goal 5) Simple corner, marking poor and Tino outmuscled too easily. Goal 6) Burn trying to get too tight to a much more agile and skillful player, Thiaw not matched the run of Lewa when he has the pace to do so and tries to cut out the pass instead and gets all in a tangle. Goal 7) Ramsey with the sort of pass that gets punished in a Sunday league let alone a knockout cl game against Barca. All of that and not including some of the other fuck ups like when Thiaw falls over and gives a 1v1 against Burn or the Yamal miss 5 yards out. Nothing came from amazing Barca attacking. It was all avoidable mistakes. On a night where we needed to be flawless defensively to get through we instead threw in 7 goals against ourselves pretty much. So yeah I don't think we were that far off them over the two games as the score suggests, we just self sabotaged and it all went wrong very very quickly. Sure other teams will laugh at us and rightly so but internally they need to take the positives from the 3 out of 4 very good halves. That's the way I seen it. We shot ourselves in the foot over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Reading this thread is nuts. It is like an oscillator with waves of optimism and common sense followed by doom, gloom and despair. on repeat.... We were well beaten, cannot take that away from Barcelona, they held us while we were playing well for the first half and some of the second. Then when we ran out of steam they pounced. There were some terrible individual errors from our tallest centre back in terms of positioning but, it's done now. In the competition as a whole we have done great. Only beaten by two teams, Marseille and Barcelona. Progressed to the Round of 16 for the first time in NUFC history. We are simply not equipped to compete at this level yet, potentially we never will be but, we have defied the odds and we should be incredibly proud of what we have achieved. It is really hard to look forward to a local derby match because the memories of their recent run of success is engrained deep in most of us. But, we have to look forward to it. The final 8 games of the season will define our summer transfer policy, if we have a European competition then we can attract a higher calibre of player than if we do not. I think the current team is perfectly capable of winning the Conference and maybe even the Europa League. Howay!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 14 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Going toe-to-toe is what got us within touching distance with 45 minutes to go. This reverse engineering of the result onto the tactics needs to stop like, it's silly confirmation bias. The tactics to get the outcome we wanted were there in abundance in both legs and we didn't capitalise on it, particularly in the first leg. Barcelona suddenly getting into gear in the last 45 minutes of the tie doesn't automatically bring the approach to both ties into question, not unless there's a clear line from our chosen tactics to individual errors. Top post 👏 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think getting botted by anyone and concerning 7 is a humiliation honestly. I don't care who does it. I think some people need to realise we have a team full of international and it might not always be best to go toe to toe especially if you think the other side is much better than you are. Clearly the team was set up to get ahead in the game. Two slips immediately put paid to that. As did the set piece goal. Nevertheless the team responded with resilience. The objective was to go through. Setting the team up to get ahead was pretty much the only way that was going to happen and no doubt had we led on the night we’d have adapted our approach to the game. We scored two first half goals which should have been enough to achieve that objective. It wasn’t, because we shot ourselves in the foot. The scoreline was ultimately painful/embarrassing (not a word I’d use because I’m generally not embarrassed by Newcastle United). Once the first goal had been scored in the second half it was only going to go one way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 what @Kid Icarus said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 12 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: That's a double edged sword I think. By virtue of the stakes being lower for the teams who are happy to coast it gives teams like us higher stakes and a better opportunity to progress. 2 extra games isn't the end of the world, I like that you get more of a variety (and therefore opportunities to progress) as well. I think us drawing Barcelona is contributing to a bit of confirmation bias as well maybe. we could easily have gone out to a much more respectable scoreline and never been in the tie. I’m not really embarrassed by what happened, we were in it for 3 of 4 halves then collapsed. btw in addition to the format diluting the meaning of games because there’s more, it’s also because they’re not six pointers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said: Spot on. The overall standard of the PL and it's competitiveness is way above any other league. I watched Wolves on Monday night and they looked excellent! The teams from the other nations who qualified can cruise through a lot of their domestic fixtures, you just can't in the PL. That was our 50th competitive match last night (?) and about 20 in the last couple of months. It's been the hardest schedule ever and we did it with a lot of key injuries. Only thing that surprises me is that we didn't run out of gas much earlier. Absolutely. See Manchester reds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: Clearly the team was set up to get ahead in the game. Two slips immediately put paid to that. As did the set piece goal. Nevertheless the team responded with resilience. The objective was to go through. Setting the team up to get ahead was pretty much the only way that was going to happen and no doubt had we led on the night we’d have adapted our approach to the game. We scored two first half goals which should have been enough to achieve that objective. It wasn’t, because we shot ourselves in the foot. The scoreline was ultimately painful/embarrassing (not a word I’d use because I’m generally not embarrassed by Newcastle United). Once the first goal had been scored in the second half it was only going to go one way. Absolutely, to be clear my point regarding embarrassment was purely in reference to the score. We've all put our blood, sweat and tears into supporting the club and embarrassment extending to our support is something to be entertained. Im not even critical of the approach, we were great first half, but as discussed earlier this season a game or football doesn't last 30 or 45 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I might be in the minority but I don't personally see it as humiliating when an elite side batters anyone. Barcelona at Camp Nou can put seven or eight past anyone. Bayern or PSG can do the same. It just... happens. Different if it was Sporting or Bodo/Glimt that had done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Some further perspective Man City 1 - Real Madrid 5 Chelsea 2 - PSG 8 Spuds 5 - Athletico 7 Only Liverpool and Arsenal have progressed into the Quarter Finals I would argue that Man City and Chelsea have more to be embarrassed about than we do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: I might be in the minority but I don't personally see it as humiliating when an elite side batters anyone. Barcelona at Camp Nou can put seven or eight past anyone. Bayern or PSG can do the same. It just... happens. Different if it was Sporting or Bodo/Glimt that had done it. Not only do they do it to just anyone, they do it to each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 31 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Under a different manager it would be murder if we are being honest. what is the point of this comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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