Signings: The Howe Era

[Mole]

Just now, Heron said:

Haha fair mate.

Glad you made the thread btw, for the past few days I have felt "Prior to the summer most of the signings were deemed a success, so I'm confused why everyone is so certain that it will suck again with an actual CEO and DoF in place" and most of people's responses so far seem to reflect that.

 

I actually think this isn't a reason to move on from Howe, the real reasons to me are you either don't trust him to turn things around, believe he's not showing enough tactical flexibility and/or players are not behind him. Which are think are all valid reasons if you feel that way, but I don't feel like an inability to sign good players is really one.

[jemo96]

16 minutes ago, RS said:

I’m picturing Carol Vordeman working this shit out while I’m standing over her riving the fucking heed off it. 

tits or face?

[RS]

1 minute ago, jemo96 said:

tits or face?

Obviously feet, you fucking pervert. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

Barnes had 13 PL goal involvements last season (every 130 minutes) and has 10 CL goal involvements this season for us (every 80 minutes). How can so many say he hasn't been a successful signing 

[bobbydazzla]

How can Isak possibly be considered a success when he went and ruined our entire 25/26 season 

[jemo96]

2 minutes ago, RS said:

Obviously feet, you fucking pervert. 

[Heron]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

How can Isak possibly be considered a success when he went and ruined our entire 25/26 season 

Interesting take. However, he was a successful signing and sale for us, whilst his sale this year has, in my opinion, terribly impacted us.

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Barnes had 13 PL goal involvements last season (every 130 minutes) and has 10 CL goal involvements this season for us (every 80 minutes). How can so many say he hasn't been a successful signing 

What’s a goal involvement ? 
 

Is having one every 130 mins good, or bad ?  

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

How can Isak possibly be considered a success when he went and ruined our entire 25/26 season 

Very obvious point but there were 3 seasons before this one.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

What’s a goal involvement ? 
 

Is having one every 130 mins good, or bad ?  

 

 

 

Goals & assists.

 

Even by your warped view if you just look at goals he still hasn't been an unsuccessful signing.

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Goals & assists.

 

Even by your warped view if you just look at goals he still hasn't been an unsuccessful signing.

Put ya wig back on.

 

I only asked what a goal involvement was and whether having one every 130 mins is good or bad. 

[Heron]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Put ya wig back on.

 

I only asked what a goal involvement was and whether having one every 130 mins is good or bad. 

I reckon a goal/assist in every 1.5games is pretty decent for a winger (based solely on the above).

[Dr.Spaceman]

It's subjective, but I think that's very good for a wide player not considered in the club's best 11.

[Nucasol]

40 minutes ago, RS said:

I’m picturing Carol Vordeman working this shit out while I’m standing over her riving the fucking heed off it. 

[bobbydazzla]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

It's subjective, but I think that's very good for a wide player not considered in the club's best 11.

Imagine how good he’d be if he wasn’t streaky. 

[Abacus]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Barnes had 13 PL goal involvements last season (every 130 minutes) and has 10 CL goal involvements this season for us (every 80 minutes). How can so many say he hasn't been a successful signing 

 

My genuine opinion is that he's a class sub, best finisher at the club and I've been crying out for him to start ahead of Gordon at times.

 

But then he goes missing some times when he does start. I stuck him in the neutral category. I'm very glad we have him, don't get me wrong on that.

 

I just think he was an opportunistic buy that worked out well, but not someone I'd hang my hat on. A bit like Ramsey. I can't much judge either as a success or failure.

[GOTONEW]

14m for Trippier is pure filth. We squeezed so much value out of that fee! 

[Dr.Spaceman]

23 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Imagine how good he’d be if he wasn’t streaky. 

 

Probably worth more than what we paid for him if he was more consistent. It's a shame he's hot and cold like, when he's hot he's very good. That goal against Man Utd at SJP when we smashed them was very good.

[Deuce]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

 

Which players do you think were a success? Add their values up and divide by 787.25m

 

 

 

[Mike]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

How can Isak possibly be considered a success when he went and ruined our entire 25/26 season 

 

I hope the cunt falls into a pit of fire ants and recreates the acid scene from Robocop but even I'm willing to admit he was a massive success.

[J7]

I’m not sure Barnes was a great signing tbh. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure he was a second big money LW signing in the same year, then 9/10 months later we were desperately shipping Anderson and Minteh out to meet PSR. Maybe a bit of a luxury signing. 
 

Not that he hasn’t done well in spells. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

We've sold 4 of the signings and made money on them all, so they have to be positive signings overall.

 

Trips and Burn will leave for nothing but we've extracted enough juice to make that irrelevant.

 

Of those who are left, I'd look at who would you need happy to see in the line up next season, and of those who you would not, who would we get a profit on.

 

Those who answer no,no are poor signings, the rest good.

 

Numbers wise good likely to ahead, pounds wise there is likely to be the reverse of this 

[Deuce]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

Which players did you think were a success?

[Kilcline]

Went for 51-75% for signings and 75%+ on money spent, although the latter is an assumption rather than having actually done the sums, and I didn't factor in Targett's wages either.

 

Stuff like this is always a bit "well what does success look like?" for me, same as when people describe a player as "world class" but don't have a definition beyond the impact of the words.

 

E.g. For me, Vlachodimos has been a successful signing. As much as Anderson leaving irritates us, getting that deal done meant we avoided a points deduction in a season where we ultimately qualified for the Champions League.

 

And yes it was only 45 minutes at home to Wimbledon and he had next to fuck all to do, but he had an active contribution in the run that culminated in the best day many of us have had supporting this club, and what may for many of us be the best day we'll ever have supporting this club. Being there and doing a job when we needed him is a lot more than you can say for a lot of the people, players and otherwise, that have been involved with our club down the years. There's a good argument that along with the rest of last season's squad and the staff he's among the most positively consequential people in our recent history.

 

[Menace]

Mostly good. Jacob Ramsey was an overpay, Elanga/Wissa were/are flops.

 

We'll get our money back on Woltemade should we sell..

 

Targett has been poor but I wasn't annoyed when he signed as he had a good loan so can't begrudge it really.

 

Rafa said a long time ago even having a 50% hit rate in transfer market is deemed a success in the modern game so he's above that even with the summer signings. We really do need to risk signings from abroad more often though - most overpays were EPL signings funnily enough.