Stifler Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: Anyone know the crack with this ? The guy who owns the houses behind also somehow owns a small strip of land outside the turnstiles. He’s just trying to be awkward in the hopes that our owners end up buying it off him for what I presume will be a massively inflated fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 I've been going since the early 70's and most of the time the ground apart from the location has been varying degrees of nasty. How serious the Saudi's are in making us a top class club is about to be revealed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Wonder if a new stadium could be used for some PSR shenanigans. IE - PIF build the stadium then sell it to A N Other (A Saudi company) for 1BN. Or maybe build it and outsource the clubs hospitality facilities for 50m per year to same... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 minute ago, Lazarus said: Wonder if a new stadium could be used for some PSR shenanigans. IE - PIF build the stadium then sell it to A N Other (A Saudi company) for 1BN. Or maybe build it and outsource the clubs hospitality facilities for 50m per year to same... Eh? Building it wouldn’t impact our PSR. Might as well just build it and rake in the money from matches and other events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 What we really need is a hotel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Eh? Building it wouldn’t impact our PSR. Might as well just build it and rake in the money from matches and other events. Selling SJP would give us a massive boost in PSR though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Just now, nufcnick said: Selling SJP would give us a massive boost in PSR though We only own the stadium, we don’t own the land. Aside from scrap metal, there won’t be much to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, Keegans Export said: Agree with all the above - I'd rather stick with SJP exactly as it is than move out of the city Only people who have no links to Tyneside say otherwise. Sadly there are people out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 6 minutes ago, Stifler said: Eh? Building it wouldn’t impact our PSR. Might as well just build it and rake in the money from matches and other events. No - but selling it might. (Not that know anything about PSR) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 12 minutes ago, Stifler said: The guy who owns the houses behind also somehow owns a small strip of land outside the turnstiles. He’s just trying to be awkward in the hopes that our owners end up buying it off him for what I presume will be a massively inflated fee. A Twunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: We only own the stadium, we don’t own the land. Aside from scrap metal, there won’t be much to sell. Buy the land. Then sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 9 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Buy the land. Then sell it. To FIP Investments for £5bn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 13 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Buy the land. Then sell it. 4 minutes ago, Sima said: To FIP Investments for £5bn Doubt we’d sell the land. Main source of annual income along with the Hoppings. The Freeman in general though would be pro a new stadium if they can be of help in other ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 28 minutes ago, Stifler said: The guy who owns the houses behind also somehow owns a small strip of land outside the turnstiles. He’s just trying to be awkward in the hopes that our owners end up buying it off him for what I presume will be a massively inflated fee. You have to respect it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, WilliamPS said: No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree. On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go. Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football. IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. Spurs have around 80,000 on their ST waiting list. Arsenal similar numbers. If you join Liverpools waiting list now your estimated wait time to get to the front of the queue is in 25 years time. We could sell 70k every week easily. At present a member only has a 25% chance of being successful in the ballot and general sale is just a complete no go these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 3 hours ago, Stifler said: The guy who owns the houses behind also somehow owns a small strip of land outside the turnstiles. He’s just trying to be awkward in the hopes that our owners end up buying it off him for what I presume will be a massively inflated fee. Imagine his surprise at us just moving the stadium away a few hundred yards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I hope Beamish is involved to one degree or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 13/08/2024 at 08:49, AyeDubbleYoo said: Think it's just logistically too difficult to do an expansion and the extra capacity would be too small. Ideally I'd love to see a modern SJP on the same site but it seems so difficult to achieve. I know it’s been written off by most due to the logistics, but I really don’t think a rebuild on the same site is out of the question. Whether done in stages reducing capacity along the way or all at once necessitating a ground share, I think it’s probably the leading option assuming a repositioning of the stands / pitch allows for the right capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Just now, timeEd32 said: I know it’s been written off by most due to the logistics, but I really don’t think a rebuild on the same site is out of the question. Whether done in stages reducing capacity along the way or all at once necessitating a ground share, I think it’s probably the leading option assuming a repositioning of the stands / pitch allows for the right capacity. Who are we groundsharing with when this happens, though? The site is too access-restrictive to allow for serious redevelopment (as in a new ground) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Who are we groundsharing with when this happens, though? The site is too access-restrictive to allow for serious redevelopment (as in a new ground) Anyone, it doesn’t actually matter it’s temporary. Short term pain and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Anyone, it doesn’t actually matter it’s temporary. Short term pain and all that. We can rule the mackems out - so are we off to Edinburgh or Leeds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We can rule the mackems out - so are we off to Edinburgh or Leeds? Darlo or Gateshead. Capacity will definitely be reduced either way if they decide to build in place from scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 8 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Darlo or Gateshead. Capacity will definitely be reduced either way if they decide to build in place from scratch. Gateshead holds fewer than 12,000 people. There is zero chance of the club building a new ground on the existing site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Gateshead holds fewer than 12,000 people. There is zero chance of the club building a new ground on the existing site. We will know soon enough thankfully, for me we simply have to have a new stadium, the location seems to be of upmost importance to the fans hence the current site talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We can rule the mackems out - so are we off to Edinburgh or Leeds? How? If it is a SJP rebuild, it will be Sunderland. For as much as I believe they would pay £2bn-£3bn for a new stadium, I’m not convinced they would pay the hundreds of millions it would cost to buy/lease some land, and put up one of those temporary stadiums Qatar had for the World Cup. As much as it wouldn’t be the fans 1st choice, I don’t think the club will allow that sentiment to overrule a temporary measure. Sunderland’s owners are not going to turn down the money of having a match there every weekend, possibly more if we are in Europe and go far in the cups. Yes their fans will start saying that we are paying them rent and essentially buying them a new player or two, and that they took us in when we were homeless etc. However the end will justify the means. I’m not convinced it will be a SJP rebuild though. I’m just not convinced the land is available around it. Even if we moved it south over the Metro station, we still have Barrack road to contend with considering we would need to move away from Leazes Terrace, and St James’ Terrace. The only option there would be to make Barrack Road 1 lane each way to try and get some more land that way. I’m not sure we could convince the council to do that, especially if we are increasing the capacity significantly. Edited August 15 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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