St James' Park

[Dr.Spaceman]

46 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’ll go one week in singing and one week in the abusing Longstaff area.  

 

Be nails to get seats in either area!

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

1 hour ago, geordie john said:

It's been a very long time since I last posted on here. Time to break my silence.

I'm 72 now and first went to St James's in the '60's. I went pretty much every other week and saw all the Fairs Cup games. 

It was a completely different ground then, in every way possible. For league games the atmosphere was pretty poor, only a few - and the Fairs Cup games - was the crowd rocking. 60000 Geordies shouting their hearts out. 

Going to the present day St James's, it's a totally different ground. 

A complete refurbishment will make it a completely different ground again. Capacity won't allow a new generation of fans to experience what I experienced.

For heavens sake, move to a new 'state of the art' ground with an 80000 capacity and let everyone experience the thrills of watching our team, and let the world look on in awe! 

I've lived in many houses in my life and loved them all. We all move on in life and learn to love new things. 

I, for one, ache to see the new ground in all it's majestic splendour. 

 

I’m near 50 and have not experienced as many iterations of the ground as you but 100% agree.  This is exactly how I feel. 

[Stifler]

9 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

To avoid going around in circles I’ll just say thanks for the response. Totally understand where those who are cautious about a move are coming from.

 

Ultimately I think most of this comes down to your final question. Is it worth losing SJP for? IMO, SJP is in a fantastic location, and that’s all I’d be concerned about losing. Providing any new build is city centre, IMO, any loss would be negligible.

Yeah. I honestly wish that they used the event to put forward more details, like the two full plans, location, time scales, renders etc. If they did, then we would now have a clear view of what’s on the table.

Those who have reservations about moving may have their concerns eased.

Similarly, those of us open to a move may now not be willing if there are compromises.

 

We would know where we stand, and what’s on the table, instead of this constant discussion about what it may or may not entail.

 

 

Edited November 23 by Stifler

[Tiresias]

While on record wishing  to explore every possible  avenue to stay in the location (doesn't have to be renovation, completely knocked down and rebuild if we could somehow edge out some more room somehow would be completely fine by me) if we have to move, I hope it's just a short hop to Leazes. I think the current site should be turned into parkland to replace that which is gone but would be nice to have something impressive there, to have something in that place in the city skyline (massive statue of Joelinton???), I would hate for it to be replaced with just more generic student flat buildings.

[Terrymac1966]

8 hours ago, RS said:

I think atmospheric may also be down to the 20,000 or so over 75’s that have season tickets. The demographic of match goers has changed so much over the last 4 decades. 
Mind the Barnes winner in the West Ham 4-3 last year nearly made some of them stand up in the East stand. They definitely gave mild applause. 

 

 

 

Now listen here ya bugA us 60+ year olds was once screaming and fighting Leazes Enders in the back end of the 60,s early 70s skinheads wild boys. Just coz were getting on a bit and cant chase Man U down Bath Lane any more we still feel the passion but not as vocal agreed. We can still gan crackers on the day but dont think mild applause is us. Next youll be suggesting building a Tutting Stand for owld farts of which Poz is now one 😁 cheeky git.....

[TheBrownBottle]

10 minutes ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Now listen here ya bugA us 60+ year olds was once screaming and fighting Leazes Enders in the back end of the 60,s early 70s skinheads wild boys. Just coz were getting on a bit and cant chase Man U down Bath Lane any more we still feel the passion but not as vocal agreed. We can still gan crackers on the day but dont think mild applause is us. Next youll be suggesting building a Tutting Stand for owld farts of which Poz is now one 😁 cheeky git.....

Love the idea of a tutting section  

[Stifler]

24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Love the idea of a tutting section  

It would be over subscribed.

[Stifler]

In all honesty, and this isn’t limited to just NUFC. I honestly think the Premier League needs to start thinking about some compromises in regards to televising games. We all have our opinions on if the 3pm blackout rule should exist or not. I doubt many people would change their mind unless it was scrapped and we see what happens.

 

Anyway, with stadiums being at capacity, all around the country, they really need to think about allowing games to be shown at designated fan parks.

We obviously have the Sela fan park, I believe Aston Villa are building one a similar distance away from Villa Park, and Man City are building one as part of their expansion. It’s stupid that non-televised games can’t be shown at these fan zones.

Teams who have fans locked out due to capacity issues, who can’t even let those fans see their teams play on TV.

Each club should be allowed 1 offsite venue that can show games.

Heck the Premier League could monopolise it themselves and have their own Premier League sports bars located in each city.

[bobbydazzla]

2 minutes ago, Stifler said:

In all honesty, and this isn’t limited to just NUFC. I honestly think the Premier League needs to start thinking about some compromises in regards to televising games. We all have our opinions on if the 3pm blackout rule should exist or not. I doubt many people would change their mind unless it was scrapped and we see what happens.

 

Anyway, with stadiums being at capacity, all around the country, they really need to think about allowing games to be shown at designated fan parks.

We obviously have the Sela fan park, I believe Aston Villa are building one a similar distance away from Villa Park, and Man City are building one as part of their expansion. It’s stupid that non-televised games can’t be shown at these fan zones.

Teams who have fans locked out due to capacity issues, who can’t even let those fans see their teams play on TV.

Each club should be allowed 1 offsite venue that can show games.

Heck the Premier League could monopolise it themselves and have their own Premier League sports bars located in each city.

Or you just buy a dodgy stick and watch every game in the comfort of your own home 

[Stifler]

12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Or you just buy a dodgy stick and watch every game in the comfort of your own home 

I mean the whole country is doing that in anyway.

I have two mates who are police officers who each have one.

A lass who I used to work with was doing a masters degree in criminology, and she was researching why people have one. Nearly every single answer she gained was that it was for the football, primarily for the games that are not shown on TV. Needless to say, she had one.

 

It’s fucking stupid man. Music artists realised in the early 2000’s that you had to make music attainable. So Apple came along with iTunes, convinced the record labels to allow them to sell individual songs for 99p. The pirating networks shut down.

 

Movie networks did similar, allowed for the likes of Netflix to happen, Cinema’s themselves started allowing discounted tickets like Orange Wednesdays, which has morphed into Meerkat Movies, and Amazon Prime Seats etc. The pirating of movies has gone down drastically. To be honest, if football was allowed to be viewed more, then movie pirating would go down even further, as most people only do it because the IPTV they have for football often includes football.

 

 

Edited November 23 by Stifler

[Vedder]

I do think we need a new stadium if we are to compete with the current ‘big six’. However, watching SJP being torn down will be devastating. Just hope the new stadium is at Castle Leazes and is so good that we’ll have no regrets. 

[Vedder]

Also, for those in fan representative groups, if a new stadium is announced, can we request that a focus on atmosphere is included as early as possible into new plans. Singing areas (all standing) behind at least one of the goals should be a priority. 

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

I mean the whole country is doing that in anyway.

I have two mates who are police officers who each have one.

A lass who I used to work with was doing a masters degree in criminology, and she was researching why people have one. Nearly every single answer she gained was that it was for the football, primarily for the games that are not shown on TV. Needless to say, she had one.

 

It’s fucking stupid man. Music artists realised in the early 2000’s that you had to make music attainable. So Apple came along with iTunes, convinced the record labels to allow them to sell individual songs for 99p. The pirating networks shut down.

 

Movie networks did similar, allowed for the likes of Netflix to happen, Cinema’s themselves started allowing discounted tickets like Orange Wednesdays, which has morphed into Meerkat Movies, and Amazon Prime Seats etc. The pirating of movies has gone down drastically. To be honest, if football was allowed to be viewed more, then movie pirating would go down even further, as most people only do it because the IPTV they have for football often includes football.

 

 

 

Pirating went down but musicians revenue from music sales bombed also as a result. So the solution is never that simple.

[Wolfcastle]

11 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

The stadium is poorly designed for acoustics, yeah it can be loud when the whole ground gets going, but the sound doesn’t travel otherwise due to the design of level 7.

Every stadium in the premier league has a poor atmosphere, whatever the shape and that pretty much covers every option, whether new or old.

The various incarnations of SJP have all had good and bad atmospheres. The wide open at both ends pre Premier League desigh, the 36k incarnation or the 52k.  Its the type of people in the stadiums that's the problem and there'd be more of those not less the bigger the stadiums get.

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

Pirating went down but musicians revenue from music sales bombed also as a result. So the solution is never that simple.

Cinema is also badly hit by streaming services, which have also massively curtailed movie sales - and most of the streaming services run up massive losses. 

[Golden Dragon 1976]

Its only a rumour but I have heard the the Premier league are thinking of moving all the 3pm games on a Saturday to 2pm on the Sunday so all games will be televised.  Obviously might be a while in coming but mean zero games would be effected by the blackout and it would be a . Just what ive heard before anyone shoots the messenger

[SteV]

6 minutes ago, Golden Dragon 1976 said:

Its only a rumour but I have heard the the Premier league are thinking of moving all the 3pm games on a Saturday to 2pm on the Sunday so all games will be televised.  Obviously might be a while in coming but mean zero games would be effected by the blackout and it would be a . Just what ive heard before anyone shoots the messenger

They’d be a monumental backlash against it, similar to the ESL fiasco, if it ever were proposed.

[duo]

7 minutes ago, Golden Dragon 1976 said:

Its only a rumour but I have heard the the Premier league are thinking of moving all the 3pm games on a Saturday to 2pm on the Sunday so all games will be televised.  Obviously might be a while in coming but mean zero games would be effected by the blackout and it would be a . Just what ive heard before anyone shoots the messenger

No thanks

[LFEE]

14 minutes ago, Golden Dragon 1976 said:

Its only a rumour but I have heard the the Premier league are thinking of moving all the 3pm games on a Saturday to 2pm on the Sunday so all games will be televised.  Obviously might be a while in coming but mean zero games would be effected by the blackout and it would be a . Just what ive heard before anyone shoots the messenger

I can see them moving them all to 5-6pm Saturday.

 

 

Edited November 24 by LFEE

[Mikky]

12 hours ago, Vedder said:

Also, for those in fan representative groups, if a new stadium is announced, can we request that a focus on atmosphere is included as early as possible into new plans. Singing areas (all standing) behind at least one of the goals should be a priority. 

This 100% - a couple of yellow walls - NUFC version would be incredible or 2 behind the goal stands that look different but bring noise.

 

A bit controversial but I would hope the new  stadium has a (indoor) roof - would increase the decibels still further and make our stadium unique amongst PL rivals - plus in can then be completely multipurpose 

[54]

24 minutes ago, SteV said:

They’d be a monumental backlash against it, similar to the ESL fiasco, if it ever were proposed.

I don't think there would be to be honest, the main point of the blackout is to protect EFL and National League clubs, in order to allow people to turn up and watch their local team.

 

This season there are 8 different slots that a Premier League game can be played on, so it wouldn't be a huge change to the fans anyway. Especially when you consider, that due to European fixture a lot of clubs play at 2pm on a Sunday already, for example in two weeks time there are only three 3pm games. 

 

Personally if we're going to get to the point where all Premier League games are televised (Which in the modern era they should be tbh), then I would rather this solution, than removing the blackout, it'll produce a dedicated slot of interest for lower league clubs, which will hopefully drive up interest. 

[wfmk2]

20 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I can see them moving them all to 5-6pm Saturday.

 

 

 

And lose all the Far East and Australian viewers? No chance. Best thing they could do is split the matches either side of the 3pm blackout period. Keeps Asia and North America happy.

[SteV]

15 minutes ago, 54 said:

I don't think there would be to be honest, the main point of the blackout is to protect EFL and National League clubs, in order to allow people to turn up and watch their local team.

 

This season there are 8 different slots that a Premier League game can be played on, so it wouldn't be a huge change to the fans anyway. Especially when you consider, that due to European fixture a lot of clubs play at 2pm on a Sunday already, for example in two weeks time there are only three 3pm games. 

 

Personally if we're going to get to the point where all Premier League games are televised (Which in the modern era they should be tbh), then I would rather this solution, than removing the blackout, it'll produce a dedicated slot of interest for lower league clubs, which will hopefully drive up interest. 

Is there any evidence relating to the perceived detrimental effect on non-league attendances?

 

I don’t know one person that regularly goes to watch non-league, that wouldn’t go if Newcastle were on TV.*
 

*I will qualify that by saying I don’t know many that regularly watch non-league full stop, so I’m probably not in a good position to judge.

[OpenC]

I know loads of non league fans that don't go when Newcastle are on the telly to be honest. Attendances at Alnwick go down by half to three quarters, easily.

 

 

Edited November 24 by OpenC

[AyeDubbleYoo]

36 minutes ago, OpenC said:

I know loads of non league fans that don't go when Newcastle are on the telly to be honest. Attendances at Alnwick go down by half to three quarters, easily.

 

 

 

Same with Bromley and Palace when I used to go there. 
 

That said, I still think it should be customer choice which one they’d rather do.