St James' Park

[RS]

16 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Now listen here ya bugA us 60+ year olds was once screaming and fighting Leazes Enders in the back end of the 60,s early 70s skinheads wild boys. Just coz were getting on a bit and cant chase Man U down Bath Lane any more we still feel the passion but not as vocal agreed. We can still gan crackers on the day but dont think mild applause is us. Next youll be suggesting building a Tutting Stand for owld farts of which Poz is now one 😁 cheeky git.....

Sorry Poz. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule  

[Stifler]

11 minutes ago, madras said:

How are they going to bend this to tye advantage of a certain few clubs ?

If they did do direct to consumer distribution, then they would likely end up also changing the distribution model.

On the international distribution schemes, the top 6 already receive a greater proportion of revenue compared with the rest of the league.

I’d say they would do something like you can subscribe via your own club, and if you do that, then your club gets a greater percentage of the fee on top of what is equally paid out, however if you subscribe via the Premier League, then they will distribute more of that fee to the top 6 clubs, under the assumption that they are likely being you in as a fan, instead of the other clubs.

[LFEE]

7 hours ago, wfmk2 said:

And lose all the Far East and Australian viewers? No chance. Best thing they could do is split the matches either side of the 3pm blackout period. Keeps Asia and North America happy.

I meant (all) the ones that usually left at 3pm Saturday 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by LFEE

[Wallsendmag]

8 hours ago, SteV said:

Is there any evidence relating to the perceived detrimental effect on non-league attendances?

 

I don’t know one person that regularly goes to watch non-league, that wouldn’t go if Newcastle were on TV.*
 

*I will qualify that by saying I don’t know many that regularly watch non-league full stop, so I’m probably not in a good position to judge.

 

All the clubs around here, Heaton Stan, Benfield, North Shields, Whitley Bay all see a big dip in attendance when NUFC are playing at the same time. Blue Star try to play on a Friday night if NUFC are playing on the Saturday.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

All the clubs around here, Heaton Stan, Benfield, North Shields, Whitley Bay all see a big dip in attendance when NUFC are playing at the same time. Blue Star try to play on a Friday night if NUFC are playing on the Saturday.

Aye North Shield really benefitted from lads ditching NUFC in the Ashley years.

[SteV]

20 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

All the clubs around here, Heaton Stan, Benfield, North Shields, Whitley Bay all see a big dip in attendance when NUFC are playing at the same time. Blue Star try to play on a Friday night if NUFC are playing on the Saturday.

In which case (assuming that’s replicated in other parts of the country) they do have a bit of a dilemma in how to align that with getting rid of the ridiculous situation where you can watch every game of your team if they’re in a lower league but not the PL.

 

Off the top of my head, I maybe wouldn’t be averse to PL ‘Saturday 3pm’ games being moved to Saturday at 5:30 / 6pm, but having them all moved to whatever time on a Sunday isn’t it.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by SteV

[LFEE]

When you spend 3hrs helping with the flags you really notice how much the stands are showing their age on all four sides. Some of the concourses etc not the best either. The ground is really showing its age if you ever get a few mins to wander round the whole place.

[Whitley mag]

Wasn’t the biggest fan of Everton’s new stadium initially and thought it was nowt special. However, one watch of this and it confirms everything that’s wrong with SJP for me, this place has the same capacity and just looks so much more enclosed where everyone will feel part of it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILFjj6duLG0

[LFEE]

I think as a simple match going experience I think it will be great. The views and the acoustics with that stand and roof design look like they could create a bit of a bear pit. 

[Dr Venkman]

Eurgh, aye it looks good TBH.

[NE27]

Aye I'm a fan of the tiering in the new Everton stadium.

 

Looks like it will be conducive to a good atmosphere.

[Rafalove]

10 hours ago, SteV said:

Is there any evidence relating to the perceived detrimental effect on non-league attendances?

 

I don’t know one person that regularly goes to watch non-league, that wouldn’t go if Newcastle were on TV.*
 

*I will qualify that by saying I don’t know many that regularly watch non-league full stop, so I’m probably not in a good position to judge.

 

 

I regularly go to non-league games. But I don’t if Newcastle are playing at the same time.

[SteV]

Just now, Rafalove said:

 

 

I regularly go to non-league games. But I don’t if Newcastle are playing at the same time.

Would you go if Newcastle were on later the same day?

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, SteV said:

Would you go if Newcastle were on later the same day?

 

I've done that before. Season before last I went to watch North Shields v Whitley Bay at dinner time and then went to SJP for a night time KO v Man Utd. Great day!

[Karjala]

11 hours ago, Golden Dragon 1976 said:

Its only a rumour but I have heard the the Premier league are thinking of moving all the 3pm games on a Saturday to 2pm on the Sunday so all games will be televised.  Obviously might be a while in coming but mean zero games would be effected by the blackout and it would be a . Just what ive heard before anyone shoots the messenger

Why can't they just televise them at 3pm Sat? The EFL do. Who sets the block. 

 

Totally pointless nowadays, everyone who wants to watch a 3pm match on TV, does.

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, Karjala said:

Why can't they just televise them at 3pm Sat? The EFL do. Who sets the block. 

 

Totally pointless nowadays, everyone who wants to watch a 3pm match on TV, does.

Because the theory is that no-one will then go to watch any lower league football because they’ll all be sat at home watching PL games on TV.

[Rafalove]

9 minutes ago, SteV said:

Would you go if Newcastle were on later the same day?

If there was an option to do two in one day I think I would be less likely to go. But on occasion I probably would.

[Dr.Spaceman]

52 minutes ago, SteV said:

Because the theory is that no-one will then go to watch any lower league football because they’ll all be sat at home watching PL games on TV.

 

Why should some Premier League fans suffer because of this though? I couldn't give a shit if 50 less people will go to Leyton Orient v Southend because Spurs v Everton is on the Tele at 3pm. There's a lot of money to be made by televising the 3pm's that could mitigate / offset this fantasy scenario.

[SteV]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Why should some Premier League fans suffer because of this though? I couldn't give a shit if 50 less people will go to Leyton Orient v Southend because Spurs v Everton is on the Tele at 3pm. There's a lot of money to be made by televising the 3pm's that could mitigate / offset this fantasy scenario.

That’s a fair point. 
 

It’s difficult to really say what the actual impact would be on attendances lower down until you actually did it I suppose.
 

In that Orient v Southend example, it’s probably high enough up the pyramid that losing between 50-200 off the gate isn’t going to cause a massive issue. Go 4/5 levels down and maybe it does.

[OpenC]

It does, aye

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

That’s a fair point. 
 

It’s difficult to really say what the actual impact would be on attendances lower down until you actually did it I suppose.
 

In that Orient v Southend example, it’s probably high enough up the pyramid that losing between 50-200 off the gate isn’t going to cause a massive issue. Go 4/5 levels down and maybe it does.

 

I know it's shit, but so what? We're Newcastle fans and want to watch Newcastle first and foremost. Why can't we explore other avenues for revenue protection, why does it have to be us fans that have to resort to IPTV or be happy with Soccer Saturday. Players, agents, owners and league execs are taking billions out the game for what? People say players are paid well because blah blah supply and demand. Well if the demand ain't there for the lower leagues...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It has to be free customer choice about what team you want to watch. It’s ludicrous that you can’t buy a pass to watch all your team’s games for example, like you can in MLB or NBA. 
 

Personally I love lower league football but people should be able to watch the team they actually support. 
 

The idea you can subscribe to TNT, Sky and Amazon and still not see all the games is why I don’t criticise anyone who chooses illegal IPTV.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[SteV]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I know it's shit, but so what? We're Newcastle fans and want to watch Newcastle first and foremost. Why can't we explore other avenues for revenue protection, why does it have to be us fans that have to resort to IPTV or be happy with Soccer Saturday. Players, agents, owners and league execs are taking billions out the game for what? People say players are paid well because blah blah supply and demand. Well if the demand ain't there for the lower leagues...

Yes, from an individual club supporter perspective, it isn’t our problem.

 

Personally, I don’t watch non-league, so am I particularly bothered how any of the clubs are getting on, not really.

 

But equally, I don’t think just taking the attitude of ‘fuck them’ helps in the grander scheme.

 

We could take that attitude with the payments the PL are supposed to filter down to the EFL and beyond, and where would we end up?

 

You’re right thought that there has to be a better situation than the current mess, I just don’t know what it is.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by SteV

[midds]

14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It has to be free customer choice about what team you want to watch. It’s ludicrous that you can’t buy a pass to watch all your team’s games for example, like you can in MLB or NBA. 
 

Personally I love lower league football but people should be able to watch the team they actually support. 
 

The idea you can subscribe to TNT, Sky and Amazon and still not see all the games is why I don’t criticise anyone who chooses illegal IPTV.

 

 

 

I think it's only a matter of time before the PL go down the streaming route and sell subscriptions rather than do deals with Sky, TNT etc. Maybe 5 or 10 years down the line, they'll be flogging a 'Team Pass' to see specifically 1 chosen team for £24.99 a month (or whatever) or £39.99 a month for a 'League Pass' to get access to any game at any time. And they'll make an absolute killing in the process  

[AyeDubbleYoo]

MLB pass is like £100 a season for 160 games live and on demand, including excellent app with ball-by-ball live coverage, and a choice of audio (including radio) from all the available broadcasters. Can't imagine anything British ever coming close to that level of quality and value - but being able to watch the games would be a start.